Paddock prescribed antidepressants in June, which means virtually every mass shooter....

[WheelieAddict]

Buying thousands of rounds of ammunition in 12 months would raise a red flag if we bothered to track ammo sales.

You are off track with this. A sane avid gun enthusiast could use thousands of rounds at the range easily without a cache of weapons. It would be to hard to track or enforce anyways. Suddenly stockpiling a ton of weapons though I can see being a red flag.

I didn't know until today, that law enforcement only gets a red flag if a person buys two or more of certain guns at the same time. That's why Paddock spread out his purchases.

He was certainly an intelligent individual. It's a damn shame he was filled with violent hatred for life, for whatever reason, and that it came to this.

 

[radical right]

You are off track with this. A sane avid gun enthusiast could use thousands of rounds at the range easily without a cache of weapons. It would be to hard to track or enforce anyways. Suddenly stockpiling a ton of weapons though I can see being a red flag.

A gun enthusiast would be constantly buying ammo. Starting small, and gradually going up year by year. He would have a history of ammo usage. This was a guy who went 40 years with only a couple of handguns, before buying dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo in a few months.

Red flag, Duh !!!

 

[Lewdog]

Buying thousands of rounds of ammunition in 12 months would raise a red flag if we bothered to track ammo sales.

You are off track with this. A sane avid gun enthusiast could use thousands of rounds at the range easily without a cache of weapons. It would be to hard to track or enforce anyways. Suddenly stockpiling a ton of weapons though I can see being a red flag.

I didn't know until today, that law enforcement only gets a red flag if a person buys two or more of certain guns at the same time. That's why Paddock spread out his purchases.

He was certainly an intelligent individual. It's a damn shame he was filled with violent hatred for life, for whatever reason, and that it came to this.

I'm not real sure how smart he was, and it was odd that an accountant would make so many transactions over $10,000 when gambling. Every time you do, whether it is buying $10,000 worth of chips, or cashing in $10,000 worth of chips for cash, it gets reported to the government.

When I was doing a lot of gambling playing black jack, I had a period of time I played fairly high stakes, like the $50 minimum bet tables. Honestly if you play to try and make money you have to do that to get away from the idiots that split face cards or make other stupid moves. So here is the thing, if you buy in for say $8,000, and you end up winning $3,000, if you cash in $11,000 and that gets reported and they expect you to end up paying taxes on that, even though you didn't win $11,000. So there would be several times where I'd cash in $9,000 at one window, leave to get something to eat and take the rest of my chips with me, and then go back to a different window and cash the rest in. There were even some times I would take a few grand worth of chips home with me to take back the next day or so. I learned so many tricks about how to gamble and how to make sure you got the most comps you could.

 

[WheelieAddict]

You are off track with this. A sane avid gun enthusiast could use thousands of rounds at the range easily without a cache of weapons. It would be to hard to track or enforce anyways. Suddenly stockpiling a ton of weapons though I can see being a red flag.

A gun enthusiast would be constantly buying ammo. Starting small, and gradually going up year by year. He would have a history of ammo usage. This was a guy who went 40 years with only a couple of handguns, before buying dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo in a few months.

Red flag, Duh !!!

So if I hunt with a shot gun, or have a handgun for years then decide to take up skeet shooting or make my hobby shooting rifles at the range and buy much more ammo I should be flagged? I think that would be really hard to enforce, counterproductive, and a waste of resources. Tracking the amount of firearms bought would be much more effective.

 

[Nosmo King]

Whatever happened to the violent movies and video games distraction? I was under the impression that those were the standard fall back defenses the gun culture used to justify keeping assault weapons on the streets.

Ain't the guns with their enhanced firepower! It's the movies, games and now the prescription drugs!

 

[Lewdog]

Whatever happened to the violent movies and video games distraction? I was under the impression that those were the standard fall back defenses the gun culture used to justify keeping assault weapons on the streets.

Ain't the guns with their enhanced firepower! It's the movies, games and now the prescription drugs!

Video games and movies are making too much money.

 

[Bush92]

Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed anti-anxiety drug in June

Stephen Paddock, who killed at least 58 people and wounded hundreds more in Las Vegas on Sunday with high-powered rifles, was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has learned.

Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21.

A woman who answered the phone at Winkler’s office would not make him available to answer questions and would neither confirm nor deny that Paddock was ever a patient.

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Yeap. Just about every mass killing in this country from columbine to Sandy Hook to VT to the Aurora shooter and now this.

All of them were on antidepressants or under the SSRI drugs.

We won't hear much about any of this. The pharmaceutical companies advertise on all of those great media networks, don't they?

Gun companies don't though. Get it? Oh, I am sure it may be a coincidence that all of those shooters were all on an SSRI drug.

Some others that the media sort of left out. Robin Williams was on antidepressants. So was Heath Ledger when he died. So was Chris Cornell.

No connection? It was the guns.

You make a valid point. Perhaps we would be better off just letting this depressed people gork out? You know...Darwinism.

 

[radical right]

So if I hunt with a shot gun, or have a handgun for years then decide to take up skeet shooting or make my hobby shooting rifles at the range and buy much more ammo I should be flagged? I think that would be really hard to enforce, counterproductive, and a waste of resources. Tracking the amount of firearms bought would be much more effective.

Track both guns and ammo. A red flag is if you own a 12 gauge shotgun, and suddenly you start buying a lot of .410 ammo.

If we collected the data, we could find various algorithms to find unusual patterns. Like a person buying hundreds of rounds of .460 wheatherby raises a red flag, while somebody buying hundreds of rounds of .22 wouldn't.

And they could look at people taking certain prescription medications, and red flag sudden behavior changes, like gambling. Or suicidal flags, like first time gun purchases.

Lots of things can get ref flagged if we were allowed to keep track of those things.

We stopped dozens of foreign terrorist plots because something raised a red flag, why should domestic mass shootings be off limits.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Buying thousands of rounds of ammunition in 12 months would raise a red flag if we bothered to track ammo sales.

You are off track with this. A sane avid gun enthusiast could use thousands of rounds at the range easily without a cache of weapons. It would be to hard to track or enforce anyways. Suddenly stockpiling a ton of weapons though I can see being a red flag.

I didn't know until today, that law enforcement only gets a red flag if a person buys two or more of certain guns at the same time. That's why Paddock spread out his purchases.

He was certainly an intelligent individual. It's a damn shame he was filled with violent hatred for life, for whatever reason, and that it came to this.

I'm not real sure how smart he was, and it was odd that an accountant would make so many transactions over $10,000 when gambling. Every time you do, whether it is buying $10,000 worth of chips, or cashing in $10,000 worth of chips for cash, it gets reported to the government.

When I was doing a lot of gambling playing black jack. I had a period of time I played fairly high stakes, like the $50 minimum bet tables. Honestly if you play to try and make money you have to do that to get away from the idiots that split face cards or make other stupid moves. So here is the thing, if you buy in for say $8,000, and you end up winning $3,000, if you cash in $11,000 and that gets reported and they expect you to end up paying taxes on that, even though you didn't win $11,000. So there would be several times where I'd cash in $9,000 at one window, leave to get something to eat and take the rest of my chips with me, and then go back to a different window and cash the rest in. There were even some times I would take a few grand worth of chips home with me to take back the next day or so. I learned so many tricks about how to gamble and how to make sure you got the most comps you could.

I'm not saying this guy was some genius that people should look up to or some gambling genius. I'm saying he was intelligent enough to do well for himself and still somehow held a massive amount of hatred for life, and it's a damn shame that is the case and it came to what happened.

 

[Nosmo King]

Whatever happened to the violent movies and video games distraction? I was under the impression that those were the standard fall back defenses the gun culture used to justify keeping assault weapons on the streets.

Ain't the guns with their enhanced firepower! It's the movies, games and now the prescription drugs!

Video games and movies are making too much money.

And pharmaceuticals aren't?

 

[Lewdog]

So if I hunt with a shot gun, or have a handgun for years then decide to take up skeet shooting or make my hobby shooting rifles at the range and buy much more ammo I should be flagged? I think that would be really hard to enforce, counterproductive, and a waste of resources. Tracking the amount of firearms bought would be much more effective.

Track both guns and ammo. A red flag is if you own a 12 gauge shotgun, and suddenly you start buying a lot of .410 ammo.

If we collected the data, we could find various algorithms to find unusual patterns. Like a person buying hundreds of rounds of .460 wheatherby raises a red flag, while somebody buying hundreds of rounds of .22 wouldn't.

And they could look at people taking certain prescription medications, and red flag sudden behavior changes, like gambling. Or suicidal flags, like first time gun purchases.

Lots of things can get ref flagged if we were allowed to keep track of those things.

We stopped dozens of foreign terrorist plots because something raised a red flag, why should domestic mass shootings be off limits.

Well here is the thing. Paddock was a pilot, and his license had expired and he had to be deemed mentally fit to renew it. IF he had been prescribed these pills for anxiety, he may have been denied being renewed which could have caused him to snap. Or the fact he needed the medicine and the idea that he wouldn't be able to renew if he tried could also be a ignition for his behavior.

 

[Lewdog]

Whatever happened to the violent movies and video games distraction? I was under the impression that those were the standard fall back defenses the gun culture used to justify keeping assault weapons on the streets.

Ain't the guns with their enhanced firepower! It's the movies, games and now the prescription drugs!

Video games and movies are making too much money.

And pharmaceuticals aren't?

You asked why people aren't blaming video games and movies on violence anymore. There are 2 reasons, they make a SHIT TON of money, and no one can find a single legitimate study that shows a correlation between the two.

 

[radical right]

Well here is the thing. Paddock was a pilot, and his license had expired and he had to be deemed mentally fit to renew it. IF he had been prescribed these pills for anxiety, he may have been denied being renewed which could have caused him to snap. Or the fact he needed the medicine and the idea that he wouldn't be able to renew if he tried could also be a ignition for his behavior.

There's nothing we can do about people that snap, but we should be looking at people getting their hands on dangerous goods, when they're on drugs.

If somebody starts building an arsenal, and enough ammo to take over a small country, we shouldn't be blindsided by no being able to track it.

 

[WheelieAddict]

So if I hunt with a shot gun, or have a handgun for years then decide to take up skeet shooting or make my hobby shooting rifles at the range and buy much more ammo I should be flagged? I think that would be really hard to enforce, counterproductive, and a waste of resources. Tracking the amount of firearms bought would be much more effective.

Track both guns and ammo. A red flag is if you own a 12 gauge shotgun, and suddenly you start buying a lot of .410 ammo.

If we collected the data, we could find various algorithms to find unusual patterns. Like a person buying hundreds of rounds of .460 wheatherby raises a red flag, while somebody buying hundreds of rounds of .22 wouldn't.

And they could look at people taking certain prescription medications, and red flag sudden behavior changes, like gambling. Or suicidal flags, like first time gun purchases.

Lots of things can get ref flagged if we were allowed to keep track of those things.

We stopped dozens of foreign terrorist plots because something raised a red flag, why should domestic mass shootings be off limits.

Well here is the thing. Paddock was a pilot, and his license had expired and he had to be deemed mentally fit to renew it. IF he had been prescribed these pills for anxiety, he may have been denied being renewed which could have caused him to snap. Or the fact he needed the medicine and the idea that he wouldn't be able to renew if he tried could also be a ignition for his behavior.

That is an interesting take. Perhaps something like this combined with some other factors made him feel others were taking control of his life. He was a control freak, it had served him well, and losing control was like losing his complete identity to him. He decided to show the world he was still in control unfortunately in the worst way possible.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Wasn't hard at all to look up the LESS COMMON side effects/warnings that come with this (not to mention the unknown of mixing other drugs or alcohol)

• Changes in the brain or how you think. Symptoms can include:
  • depression
  • confusion
  • feelings of the room spinning (vertigo)
  • slowed or slurred speech
  • double or blurred vision
  • thoughts of suicide
  • memory loss
• Unexpected reactions. Symptoms can include:
  • extreme excitement
  • anxiety
  • hallucinations
  • increased muscle spasms
  • trouble sleeping
  • agitation

But then, it's always easier blame the evil gun.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Wasn't hard at all to look up the LESS COMMON side effects/warnings that come with this (not to mention the unknown of mixing other drugs or alcohol)

• Changes in the brain or how you think. Symptoms can include:
  • depression
  • confusion
  • feelings of the room spinning (vertigo)
  • slowed or slurred speech
  • double or blurred vision
  • thoughts of suicide
  • memory loss
• Unexpected reactions. Symptoms can include:
  • extreme excitement
  • anxiety
  • hallucinations
  • increased muscle spasms
  • trouble sleeping
  • agitation

But then, it's always easier blame the evil gun.

It's easy to blame a drug too. Maybe the fault lies in Paddock himself.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

It's easy to blame a drug too. Maybe the fault lies in Paddock himself.

Yeah, let's just keep telling ourselves, "he just snapped."

Funny how that keeps happening in America.

Look again at those side effects. They weren't hard to find. You could have found them too.

 

[WheelieAddict]

It's easy to blame a drug too. Maybe the fault lies in Paddock himself.

Yeah, let's just keep telling ourselves, "he just snapped."

Funny how that keeps happening in America.

Look again at those side effects. They weren't hard to find. You could have found them too.

I didn't say he snapped. I'm saying it was him all along.

 

[Rustic]

There is definitely a correlation between prescription drugs and mass shootings.

The Mass Shooting Problem - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

• Bradley Stone, a former Marine in suburban Philadelphia, shot and killed his ex-wife Nicole Stone, her mother and her grandmother, and he ‘chopped’ Nicole’s sister, her husband and their 14-year-old daughter to death with an ax. Nicole Stone’s 17-year-old nephew was the lone survivor of the three-home massacre. Stone was being treated for mental health issues. After the six slayings, he committed suicide with a lethal mixture of depressants, antidepressants and schizophrenia medications, his autopsy revealed. Police found Bradley Stone’s body in the woods a week before Christmas, 2014, a day after he killed his six victims, police told the New York Daily News.

• Aaron Ray Ybarra, 26, of Mountlake Terrace, Washington, allegedly opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University in June 2014, killing one student and wounding two others. Ybarra said then he “feels he identifies with one of the Columbine killers, whom he identified as Eric Harris,” counselor Deldene J. Garner wrote later in a chemical dependency assessment filed in Edmonds Municipal Court. Ybarra had been referred to the counselor following his arrest in July 2012 for driving drunk on an Edmonds sidewalk. He reported “being diagnosed with Psychosis and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder,” the report said. On occasion, “voices scared him,” Ybarra told the counselor. He said he’d been prescribed with Prozac and Risperdal to help him with his problems.

• Jose Reyes, the Nevada seventh-grader who went on a shooting rampage at his school in October 2013 was taking a prescription antidepressant at the time, and had told a psychotherapist that he was teased at school, the Associated Press reported. Reyes, 12, opened fire Oct. 21 at Sparks Middle School, killing a teacher and wounding two classmates before committing suicide. His doctor had prescribed 10 mg of Prozac once daily, according to police reports. Toxicology reports indicated that at the time of autopsy the suspect had a generic form of Prozac, Fluoxetine in his system consistent with the prescription given.

• Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old shooter who killed 20 students and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14 in Newtown, Connecticut, had been prescribed several psychiatric drugs, including Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine, the Business Insider reported. “Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior,” Business Insider reported.

• Reno Hospital shooter Alan Oliver Frazier, 51, killed his doctor and wounded one other person before killing himself in December 2013 in Reno, Nevada. Frazier took Prozac but didn’t like being dependent on the medication and would sometimes stop using it, his ex-girlfriend told the Associated Press.

• Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis sprayed bullets at office workers and in a cafeteria on Sept. 16, 2013, killing 13 people including himself. Alexis had been prescribed Trazodone by his Veterans Affairs doctor. Trazadone is a generic antidepressant that is seldom used anymore to treat depression but is widely prescribed for insomnia, experts told the Washington Post.

• Aurora movie theater shooter James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58 in the July 20, 2012, tragedy in Aurora, Colorado. Thirty-eight days before the attack, the psychiatrist treating suspect James Holmes told a police officer that her patient had confessed homicidal thoughts and was a danger to the public, according to court documents unsealed in April 2013 and reported on by the Denver Post. The psychiatrist, Dr. Lynne Fenton, also told the officer that Holmes had stopped seeing her and had been threatening her in text messages and e-mails, the documents state. The officer, Lynn Whitten, responded by deactivating Holmes’ key-card access to secure areas of University of Colorado medical campus buildings, according to search-warrant affidavits. Police found medications in his apartment, including sedatives and the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam. They also found the antidepressant sertraline, the generic version of the antidepressant Zoloft.

• A 20-year-old woman accused of opening fire and shooting three people in a Gig Harbor, Washington, grocery was charged with murder in October 2012, after one of the victims died. Laura Sorenson appeared in Pierce County Superior Court, where prosecutors filed a charge of first-degree murder against her two months after the death of David Long, 40. Sorenson is accused of walking into the Peninsula Market just before 1 p.m. on Aug. 11, 2012 and firing at customers until she was tackled to the ground. Witnesses told police that Sorenson said something about “killing” people prior to pulling out a revolver from her purse and firing four to five shots. After the shooting, Sorenson revealed to detectives she has a mental condition and is on medication, court documents said, adding she wanted to kill herself and wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone else first, the Komo News reported.

• The mentally ill gunman who killed a worker and wounded several others at a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center psychiatric hospital in March 2012 had previously threatened staff at an affiliated hospital with a baseball bat. Medical records and other information show 30-year-old John Shick, held a grudge, believing he had misdiagnosed illnesses ranging from a bad ankle to pancreatitis to erectile dysfunction, Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr. said. Shick twice went to UPMC Shadyside hospital in February with the bat and threatened the staff, and yet Pittsburgh police were not called, Zappala told the Associated Press. Zappala said investigators hadn’t yet determined why Shick targeted UPMC’s Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic, where he was treated twice after he was kicked off the Duquesne University campus for harassing female students with repeated requests for dates. At the second visit, a clinic doctor urged Shick to resume medication for schizophrenia — after his mother told doctors he stopped taking it months before. Shick walked out and skipped a follow-up appointment in December.” His contacts at UPMC began to get more serious and disturbing after that,” said Deputy District Mark Tranquilli, who handles homicide cases for Zappala. In Shick’s apartment, investigators found 43 drugs used to treat 20 conditions, from anti-depressants to medicines for intestinal worms.
• Mohamed Merah fell in a hail of bullets in a March 22, 2012 raid after shooting seven people at a Jewish school in Toulouse, France, after telling police who sought his surrender that he regretted not “going back to the Jewish school” which would have enabled him to kill more children, according to comments reported by the French newspaper Journal du Dimanche. Merah had been prescribed psychotropic drugs and sleep aides “to calm his stress,” a doctor said.
• It was reported in March 2012 that Staff Sgt. Robert Bales had killed 15 innocent civilians in Afghanistan, a horrific crime that men in his unit said went beyond the pale even for someone suffering from PTSD. It was later revealed by his wife that Bales was being treated with anti-depressants. She and her husband were both on antidepressants, “as is the rest of the army population….okay maybe not everyone. Just the ones that have been in for several years now, the ones who will actually admit when things are really screwed up,” she told the Daily Beast.
• Anders Breivik, known as Norway’s “laughing gunman,” killed 77 people, many of them children, in 2011. Norway officials amassed pages and pages of analysis of the horrific crime, but almost nobody noticed that the smirking Breivik was taking large quantities of mind-altering chemicals, the Daily Mail reported. In this case, the substances are an anabolic steroid called stanozolol, combined with an amphetamine-like drug called ephedrine, plus caffeine. The authorities and most of the media were more interested in his non-existent belief in fundamentalist Christianity, the Mail reported.

• Anabolic steroids were also used heavily by David Bieber, who killed one policeman and tried to kill two more in Leeds, England, in 2003, and by Raoul Moat, who last summer shot three people in Northumberland, killing one and blinding another. Steroids are strongly associated with mood changes, uncontrollable anger and many other problems.

• Jeff Weise, culprit of the 2005 Red Lake High School shootings, had been taking “antidepressants.”

• Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s 1 in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.

• Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

• Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

• In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.

• In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

• In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.

• 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.

• Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
• John Hinckley, then age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
• Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in the family bathtub near Houston. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.”

• 12-year-old Christopher Pittman struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, on Nov. 28, 2001, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept, then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication.” They said his 30-year sentence was excessive for someone his age and claimed the “heavy doses of anti-depressants he was taking sent his mind spinning out of control.” Doctors had him on Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders. Paxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others”.

Nothing to see here!!

Medication + politically correct progressive = envious snowflake with anger issues

 

[xotoxi]

You might be better off without the psychotropics. But many people are NOT better off without them.

I know some people with mental illness (like schizophrenia) NEED them or would have to be institutionalized, but are we better for it? I wonder.

What is this "WE" that you speak of when referring to an individual's health care plan?

I was talking about WE as in society.

You don't think that WE are better off having thousands of people with mental illness in remission due to medications rather than living in institutions?

I'm not sure, are YOU?

I am sure. Imagine if you had a disease that could be treated with medicine, but instead you were locked up for the rest of your life?