OWS: Too Big to Fail

[georgephillip]

Pussified.

As the Country goes so go it its "Revolutionaries"

Does this fit your definition of revolution:

"King called at the end of his life for massive federal funds to rebuild inner cities, what he called 'a radical redistribution of economic and political power,' a complete restructuring of 'the architecture of American society...'

"On the eve of King’s murder he was preparing to organize a poor people’s march on Washington, D.C., designed to cause 'major, massive dislocations,' a nonviolent demand by the poor, including the white underclass, for a system of economic equality.

"It would be 43 years before his vision was realized by an eclectic group of protesters who gathered before the gates of Wall Street."

A Movement Too Big to Fail | Common Dreams

Did we re-evolve....not hardly.

Bring it.

It's here.

This revolution is being televised and live-streamed.

No violence required.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Our current economic system was put in place because the rich colonists were concerned about black slaves and white indentured servants teaming up and overthrowing the 1% that owned everything. The decided to creat a middle class, and pit the population agianst each other. The 'middle class' were given petty positions in society with no real power, and they were paid for by taxes on the poor.

Since then poor and middle class pit agianst each other in a endless left vs right battle over nothing!

I am not calling for a reversal of our system, or a new system. I am saying that it is high time we adhear to the rule of law and the constitution! If our government was looking to serve the population then it would use the tax system to promote equality, and yes transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. It would not be used as a tax shield and as a instrument to expand riches.

Its time to elect a new continental congress.

You post like Rdean but are a bigger fucking moron

 

[georgephillip]

Our current economic system was put in place because the rich colonists were concerned about black slaves and white indentured servants teaming up and overthrowing the 1% that owned everything. The decided to creat a middle class, and pit the population agianst each other. The 'middle class' were given petty positions in society with no real power, and they were paid for by taxes on the poor.

Since then poor and middle class pit agianst each other in a endless left vs right battle over nothing!

I am not calling for a reversal of our system, or a new system. I am saying that it is high time we adhear to the rule of law and the constitution! If our government was looking to serve the population then it would use the tax system to promote equality, and yes transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. It would not be used as a tax shield and as a instrument to expand riches.

Its time to elect a new continental congress.

I'm sorry but the tax system should not be used to promote equality or transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. We've reached a tipping point in American history...when far more people collect from the government then pay into the government. Be very careful what you ask for now because sucking the wealthy dry to pay for unsustainable entitlements is NOT going to return the Middle Class to prosperity. We've lost the high paying jobs that created the Middle Class in America to other countries because like it or not we're now in a global economy. We need to focus on what will reverse that trend not engage in class warfare.

Since the Fall of Man all governments have engaged in class war.

That's how the first private fortunes came into existence; government socialized cost and privatized profit for a select few. No government has ever done it better than this one.

Taxation, warfare, and private debt are the first three Wall Street entitlements we should consider reforming if values like political equality have any real meaning.

 

[OODA_Loop]

[Taxation, warfare, and private debt are the first three Wall Street entitlements we should consider reforming if values like political equality have any real meaning.

Taxation = Instead of 47% not paying taxes lets make it the 99%.

Warfare = We have no enemies.

Private debt = My consumeristic irresponsibility needs to be paid for by the 1% (see taxation above)

 

[georgephillip]

Taxation: Tax the 25% of US children who depend on food stamps to eat.

Warfare: Stop killing Muslim children for money and we'll have fewer enemies.

Private debt: See taxation. Find jobs in China for those unproductive kids. Send half their pay to Wall Street.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

OWS is receiving a bailout? What for? Is there even a coherent voice among this group?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The problem is government/business collusion cronyism. When both sides of the aisle are lining their pockets through collusion and congress is steering contracts/favors we lose. Commerce, business, govt, should all be independent of each other.

 

[Dragon]

OWS is receiving a bailout? What for?

Not a bailout, a revolution. The title of this thread is a play on words. When the phrase "too big to fail" was used for banks, it meant, "so big we can't let them fail." When used for OWS, it means, "so big now that it can't fail." No bailout needed. Just watch.

Is there even a coherent voice among this group?

Absolutely. The lack of simple demands doesn't mean they don't know what they want.

See, when the Powers That Be and their paid mouthpieces, the Very Serious People, ask what the "demands" of OWS are, what they mean is, "What minor reforms can we enact so you guys will shut up and go home?"

The reforms that OWS wants are actually pretty simple. The problem is they're not minor; they go to the root of the entire system of control. The corporate elite cannot enact them without losing control altogether, and having the government become the democracy it pretends to be.

First: get the money out of politics. Stop treating money as free speech. Stop treating a corporation as a person with free-speech rights. Enact public financing and ban any contributions by corporations (for- or nonprofit) or other organizations such as unions. Ban all campaign ads by corporations (for- or nonprofit), and by all organizations except political parties. Strictly limit individual contributions to candidates to amounts of money that are within reach of most people.

Second -- well, there are other demands, but that's the big one. Do that, and everything else will follow through the normal electoral process, purged of corruption as it will be.

Now, even the very least digging will unearth this -- getting the money out of politics -- as the core demand of Occupy. It is easily found, and quite obvious. But because it is a demand that the corrupt system cannot meet without ceasing to exist, the corrupt system and its media toadies pretend that this demand has not been made, and say that the movement has no clear demands. It does, but the demand is revolutionary.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

OWS is receiving a bailout? What for?

Not a bailout, a revolution. The title of this thread is a play on words. When the phrase "too big to fail" was used for banks, it meant, "so big we can't let them fail." When used for OWS, it means, "so big now that it can't fail." No bailout needed. Just watch.

Is there even a coherent voice among this group?

Absolutely. The lack of simple demands doesn't mean they don't know what they want.

See, when the Powers That Be and their paid mouthpieces, the Very Serious People, ask what the "demands" of OWS are, what they mean is, "What minor reforms can we enact so you guys will shut up and go home?"

The reforms that OWS wants are actually pretty simple. The problem is they're not minor; they go to the root of the entire system of control. The corporate elite cannot enact them without losing control altogether, and having the government become the democracy it pretends to be.

First: get the money out of politics. Stop treating money as free speech. Stop treating a corporation as a person with free-speech rights. Enact public financing and ban any contributions by corporations (for- or nonprofit) or other organizations such as unions. Ban all campaign ads by corporations (for- or nonprofit), and by all organizations except political parties. Strictly limit individual contributions to candidates to amounts of money that are within reach of most people.

Second -- well, there are other demands, but that's the big one. Do that, and everything else will follow through the normal electoral process, purged of corruption as it will be.

Now, even the very least digging will unearth this -- getting the money out of politics -- as the core demand of Occupy. It is easily found, and quite obvious. But because it is a demand that the corrupt system cannot meet without ceasing to exist, the corrupt system and its media toadies pretend that this demand has not been made, and say that the movement has no clear demands. It does, but the demand is revolutionary.

Unless govt and business are independent of each other, money will continue to change hands.

 

[georgephillip]

OWS is receiving a bailout? What for?

Not a bailout, a revolution. The title of this thread is a play on words. When the phrase "too big to fail" was used for banks, it meant, "so big we can't let them fail." When used for OWS, it means, "so big now that it can't fail." No bailout needed. Just watch.

Is there even a coherent voice among this group?

Absolutely. The lack of simple demands doesn't mean they don't know what they want.

See, when the Powers That Be and their paid mouthpieces, the Very Serious People, ask what the "demands" of OWS are, what they mean is, "What minor reforms can we enact so you guys will shut up and go home?"

The reforms that OWS wants are actually pretty simple. The problem is they're not minor; they go to the root of the entire system of control. The corporate elite cannot enact them without losing control altogether, and having the government become the democracy it pretends to be.

First: get the money out of politics. Stop treating money as free speech. Stop treating a corporation as a person with free-speech rights. Enact public financing and ban any contributions by corporations (for- or nonprofit) or other organizations such as unions. Ban all campaign ads by corporations (for- or nonprofit), and by all organizations except political parties. Strictly limit individual contributions to candidates to amounts of money that are within reach of most people.

Second -- well, there are other demands, but that's the big one. Do that, and everything else will follow through the normal electoral process, purged of corruption as it will be.

Now, even the very least digging will unearth this -- getting the money out of politics -- as the core demand of Occupy. It is easily found, and quite obvious. But because it is a demand that the corrupt system cannot meet without ceasing to exist, the corrupt system and its media toadies pretend that this demand has not been made, and say that the movement has no clear demands. It does, but the demand is revolutionary.

Chris Hedges is on the same page, Dragon.

"Tinkering with the corporate state will not work.

"We will either be plunged into neo-feudalism and environmental catastrophe or we will wrest power from corporate hands. This radical message, one that demands a reversal of the corporate coup, is one the power elite, including the liberal class, is desperately trying to thwart.

"But the liberal class has no credibility left. It collaborated with corporate lobbyists to neglect the rights of tens of millions of Americans, as well as the innocents in our imperial wars.

"The best that liberals can do is sheepishly pretend this is what they wanted all along. Groups such as MoveOn and organized labor will find themselves without a constituency unless they at least pay lip service to the protests.

"The Teamsters’ arrival Friday morning to help defend the park signaled an infusion of this new radicalism into moribund unions rather than a co-opting of the protest movement by the traditional liberal establishment. The union bosses, in short, had no choice."

A Movement Too Big to Fail | Common Dreams

We're on the verge of rolling back a corporate coup that's been forty years in the making. If this economy is swirling the same drain in 2012 as it was in 2008, millions of voters across the country will be ready to listen to revolutionary solutions like a Second Constitutional Convention.

 

[georgephillip]

The problem is government/business collusion cronyism. When both sides of the aisle are lining their pockets through collusion and congress is steering contracts/favors we lose. Commerce, business, govt, should all be independent of each other.

"Good news for Occupy Wall Street protestors: 67 percent of New York City voters agree with protestors' demonstrations and 72 percent of New Yorkers statewide desire a Millionaire's Tax in order to increase taxes for those who earn more than $1 million a year. The numbers were released on Monday by two separate polls conducted by Quinnipiac University and Siena College."

Since the beginning of civilization all governments have existed to line the pockets of a select few at the expense of the majority of their citizens. The "Occupy Movement" appears poised to challenge that history.

Which side are you on?

New Yorkers Support #OccupyWallStreet And Want Millionaire's Tax | Common Dreams

 

[ClosedCaption]

Obama and Pelosi and the entire Democrat Party has tied themselves to OWS. WOOT!!

Yeah, but OWS hasnt tied themselves to the Democrat Party. WOOT!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama and Pelosi and the entire Democrat Party has ties themselves to OWS. WOOT!!

While all good Republicans tie themselves to Wall Street?

What the fuck is "Wall Street"?

Can you explain it because you sound like a moron when you say it

 

[Dragon]

I'm sorry but the tax system should not be used to promote equality or transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. We've reached a tipping point in American history...when far more people collect from the government then pay into the government.

That second sentence is a lie.

Regarding the first sentence: tax policy, trade policy, labor policy, and business regulations inevitable transfer wealth either from the rich to the poor or vice-versa. There is no avoiding this. Government cannot NOT set policy in any of these areas, and NOT setting policy would be the only way to avoid some impact on the distribution of income.

For the past thirty years, the government has set these policies so as to redistribute wealth upward, and it's worked very well, to our sorrow. For the forty years (approximately) before that, the government set these policies so as to redistribute wealth downward. That worked, too.

Since there's no way not to do one or the other, which would you prefer?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

300 bums camping in a park and making an inordinate amount of noise does not make a revolution. The become an embarrassment.

 

[paulitician]

Ironically,our Government is now too big to fail. How much more money can they take in and spend? Where do we go from here? $16 Trillion in Debt and rising.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Prosecute corrupt politicians and bankers.
See how long they survive in prison.

The game is rigged.

Sandy the burgler stealing secrets from the archive. Slap on wrist.

Obama admin running guns to felons. Perps promoted.

Good luck with that.

Do you get the feeling Democrats and Republicans are setting up the next US invasion and occupation of Mexico?

The next?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The problem is government/business collusion cronyism. When both sides of the aisle are lining their pockets through collusion and congress is steering contracts/favors we lose. Commerce, business, govt, should all be independent of each other.

"Good news for Occupy Wall Street protestors: 67 percent of New York City voters agree with protestors' demonstrations and 72 percent of New Yorkers statewide desire a Millionaire's Tax in order to increase taxes for those who earn more than $1 million a year. The numbers were released on Monday by two separate polls conducted by Quinnipiac University and Siena College."

Since the beginning of civilization all governments have existed to line the pockets of a select few at the expense of the majority of their citizens. The "Occupy Movement" appears poised to challenge that history.

Which side are you on?



New Yorkers Support #OccupyWallStreet And Want Millionaire's Tax | Common Dreams

Against 99 percent of government and for the people. I'm not into segregation of any kind.

 

[Full-Auto]

The problem is government/business collusion cronyism. When both sides of the aisle are lining their pockets through collusion and congress is steering contracts/favors we lose. Commerce, business, govt, should all be independent of each other.

"Good news for Occupy Wall Street protestors: 67 percent of New York City voters agree with protestors' demonstrations and 72 percent of New Yorkers statewide desire a Millionaire's Tax in order to increase taxes for those who earn more than $1 million a year. The numbers were released on Monday by two separate polls conducted by Quinnipiac University and Siena College."

Since the beginning of civilization all governments have existed to line the pockets of a select few at the expense of the majority of their citizens. The "Occupy Movement" appears poised to challenge that history.

Which side are you on?

New Yorkers Support #OccupyWallStreet And Want Millionaire's Tax | Common Dreams

Lets take a poll and see how many of us want your money?

 

[syrenn]

Occupy Wall Street, like all radical movements, will not make concessions with corrupt systems of corporate power. This is why corrupt Democratic politicians from Obama to Pelosi know their foundations of power are shaking.

Martin Luther King saw it 43 years ago:

"King too was a radical. He would not compromise on nonviolence, racism or justice. He understood that movements—such as the Liberty Party, which fought slavery, the suffragists, who fought for women’s rights, the labor movement and the civil rights movement—have always been the true correctives in American democracy...

"'For years, I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions in the South, a little change here, a little change there,' King said shortly before he was assassinated. 'Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire system, a revolution of values.'”

Were he still alive, King would echo the questions Chris Hedges raises in his recent post:

"What kind of nation is it that spends far more to kill enemy combatants and Afghan and Iraqi civilians than it does to help its own citizens who live below the poverty line?

"What kind of nation is it that permits corporations to hold sick children hostage while their parents frantically bankrupt themselves to save their sons and daughters?

"What kind of nation is it that tosses its mentally ill onto urban heating grates?

"What kind of nation is it that abandons its unemployed while it loots its treasury on behalf of speculators? What kind of nation is it that ignores due process to torture and assassinate its own citizens?

A nation where Wall Street owns a controlling interest in both major political parties.
FLUSH Democrats AND Republicans from DC in November 2012!

A Movement Too Big to Fail | Common Dreams

Ah the arrogance and delusions.


Everything has the ability to fail.