Our founding fathers were not conservative

You know Thomas Paine suggested both a progressive income tax, and Social Security, right?

That's a talking pointless.

I want you to provide the link to the THREAD in which you allegedly did your job.

i'll assume you are responding to me

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...g-father-american-revolutionary-quotes-4.html
All you managed to do is demonstrate your ability to copy/paste.
How about intent and context for the scads of dribble you posted?

You started a thread making a claim you haven't attempted to prove with any supporting evidence and asked other members to disprove it.

Thus, ThreadFail.
 
The original signers of the declaration of indpendence (AJKA the Fopunding Fathers) and the participants to the continental congresses didn't swear to uphold "THE US Constitution" Bigrebnc, because that document wasn't even written until 1789.

But hey, let's not reality get in the way of your delusions that you can lecture us about US history, shall we?

So the founding fathers had nothing to do with the Constitution? The Founding Fathers didn't sign the Constitution? George Washington wasn't a founding Father when he took the oath of office as President of the United States of America.

I
The Founding Fathers are generally thought to the players at the First and Second Continental Congress.

They are called the FOUNDING fathers because the FOUNDED the nation.

Dates and places of sessions (of the Continental Congresses
The nation THEY FOUNDED was governed under the "Articles of Confederation".

The US Consitution we currently enjoy was written in 1787, put into practice in 1788, but not finally enacted as the law of the land by the States until 1789.

They are called the FOUNDING fathers because the FOUNDED the nation.

OH I see thats your definition of what a founding father is. Thanks for sharing.

A founding father would be anyone that help create this nation. Since the Constitution is the foundation of this nation the signers of the Constitution would be the founders of this nation. and since America the nation did not exist until after the signing of the Constitution your argument is weak.
 
Nope.

Washington and Hamilton were advocates of a strong central government..Jefferson and Madison were not. Both are liberal views..and that is part and parcel with Liberalism. The acceptance or tolerance of views you may not agree with.

Conservatives hold no such value.



So Liberals are both for and against strong central government and both for and against strong local government?

The wisdom and governance of the Big 0 are suddenly and completely explained. He has no clue what he favors or what he opposes and no general direction he prefers to move in. He is for all of it and against all of it and will know he has achieved his goals when he has failed to accomplish his purpose.

Wow!

Liberals are against exclusion. Conservatives are exclusionary.

The current debacle about the Muslim religion illustrates that nicely.

Simple as that.

It also explains why the Dems can't get DADT repealed or legalize gay marriage - because it'll cost them too many votes. Blacks and Hispancis, generally, don't want DADT repealed, nor do they approve of gay marraige. On the other hand, many conservatives are perfectly comfortable with gays serving openly, and with gays being given the same entitlements regarding marriage as hetrosexuals.

Most conservatives don't have an issue with Muslims... we do have an issue with terrorists. So, both parties have the same issues. You just ignore yours and finger point at 'conservatives'. You really need to think more before you post.
 
Conservatives swear fealty to God, King and Country..or the Tories.

Liberals don't..the Founders.

You are of course wrong. The Founders swore fealty to our new Republic having, in many cases, already sworn their lives to the cause of creating it.

Additionally, your personal hostility to religion does not mean that the Founders did not swear fealty to God. In many cases, they certainly did.

Thus, by your erroneous daffynition if it were actually a valid definition, the Founders would be Conservatives.
 
It doesn't look that way to me. The Democratic Party is cannibalizing its moderates today just like the Republicans are. The extremes on both sides are marginalizing their centrists. That's contracting growth.

Nope.

In fact..there are conservatives in the party.

The present republican party purged itself of Liberals. Even the moderates are called RINOs.

There is no such thing in the Democratic party.

Please name some "conservatives" in the Democratic Party who have any leadership role at all.
And Joe lIeberman doesn't count. Neither does Zell Miller.

:lol:

Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Conservatives swear fealty to God, King and Country..or the Tories.

Liberals don't..the Founders.


Liberals endorse the power of a strong centralized government to intrude into their lives and override the will of the local authorities. These sound more like the Loyalists to me.

Conservatives favor the authority of the local governments over that of the strong central government. These sound more like the Founders to me.

Are you saying that John Adams supported the right of the King to levy the Tea Tax?

Nope.

Washington and Hamilton were advocates of a strong central government..Jefferson and Madison were not. Both are liberal views..and that is part and parcel with Liberalism. The acceptance or tolerance of views you may not agree with.

Conservatives hold no such value.

You're confusing your isms'.

Liberalism is not Socialism/Fascism.

And Marxism is not even remotely liberal.

Liberalism means allowing everyone to live their lives in freedom....not under the thumb of an abusive government.
 
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Conservatives swear fealty to God, King and Country..or the Tories.

Liberals don't..the Founders.

You are of course wrong. The Founders swore fealty to our new Republic having, in many cases, already sworn their lives to the cause of creating it.

Additionally, your personal hostility to religion does not mean that the Founders did not swear fealty to God. In many cases, they certainly did.

Thus, by your erroneous daffynition if it were actually a valid definition, the Founders would be Conservatives.

That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.
 
Conservatives swear fealty to God, King and Country..or the Tories.

Liberals don't..the Founders.

You are of course wrong. The Founders swore fealty to our new Republic having, in many cases, already sworn their lives to the cause of creating it.

Additionally, your personal hostility to religion does not mean that the Founders did not swear fealty to God. In many cases, they certainly did.

Thus, by your erroneous daffynition if it were actually a valid definition, the Founders would be Conservatives.

That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.

Nope. I know conservatives who are atheists. The problem with lefties.... you are so ingrained in group think that you cannot even comprehend individual thought.
 
Liberals endorse the power of a strong centralized government to intrude into their lives and override the will of the local authorities. These sound more like the Loyalists to me.

Conservatives favor the authority of the local governments over that of the strong central government. These sound more like the Founders to me.

Are you saying that John Adams supported the right of the King to levy the Tea Tax?

Nope.

Washington and Hamilton were advocates of a strong central government..Jefferson and Madison were not. Both are liberal views..and that is part and parcel with Liberalism. The acceptance or tolerance of views you may not agree with.

Conservatives hold no such value.

You're confusing your isms'.

Liberalism is not Socialism/Fascism.

And Marxism is not even remotely liberal.

Liberalism means allowing everyone to live their lives in freedom....not under the thumb of an abusive government.

Classical Liberalism.... that's not what today's 'liberals' are. They hide behind the label. What they really are is socialists. I have no problem with people believing in socialism... unless they are too cowardly to admit it.
 
Conservatives swear fealty to God, King and Country..or the Tories.

Liberals don't..the Founders.

You are of course wrong. The Founders swore fealty to our new Republic having, in many cases, already sworn their lives to the cause of creating it.

Additionally, your personal hostility to religion does not mean that the Founders did not swear fealty to God. In many cases, they certainly did.

Thus, by your erroneous daffynition if it were actually a valid definition, the Founders would be Conservatives.

That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.

You're confusing spirituality with being religious.

You've the the Tea Party folks that attend services on Wednesday and those that attend only on Easter Sunday. Don't lump us all together.

Was Jesus spiritual or was he religious?
 
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there, I said it. Feel free to prove me wrong with empirical fact. go on :eusa_eh:

Of course not, in the context of their times they were Liberal. But what you are implying is that Conservatives today do not stand for what the founders stood for. Which is of course not true. Today's conservatives stand for not straying to far from what the founders intended.
 
You are of course wrong. The Founders swore fealty to our new Republic having, in many cases, already sworn their lives to the cause of creating it.

Additionally, your personal hostility to religion does not mean that the Founders did not swear fealty to God. In many cases, they certainly did.

Thus, by your erroneous daffynition if it were actually a valid definition, the Founders would be Conservatives.

That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.

You're confusing spirituality with being religious.

You've the the Tea Party folks that attend services on Wednesday and those that attend only on Easter Sunday. Don't lump us all together.

Was Jesus spiritual or was he religious?

Sorry..I am not cofusing anything.

You seem to be.

But I will help..

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4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
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5. ( initial capital letter ) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
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9. a supporter of conservative political policies.
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11. a preservative.
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there, I said it. Feel free to prove me wrong with empirical fact. go on :eusa_eh:

Of course not, in the context of their times they were Liberal. But what you are implying is that Conservatives today do not stand for what the founders stood for. Which is of course not true. Today's conservatives stand for not straying to far from what the founders intended.

Also....back then....the left boundary on the political scale hadn't gone as far as it is today.

From the prospective of a Progressive today...everything is to the right.
 
That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.

You're confusing spirituality with being religious.

You've the the Tea Party folks that attend services on Wednesday and those that attend only on Easter Sunday. Don't lump us all together.

Was Jesus spiritual or was he religious?

Sorry..I am not cofusing anything.

You seem to be.

But I will help..

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2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
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9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
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13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
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2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
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Cool. So Liberals do not value the Constitution. That's good to know.
 
So the founding fathers had nothing to do with the Constitution? The Founding Fathers didn't sign the Constitution? George Washington wasn't a founding Father when he took the oath of office as President of the United States of America.

I
The Founding Fathers are generally thought to the players at the First and Second Continental Congress.

They are called the FOUNDING fathers because the FOUNDED the nation.


The nation THEY FOUNDED was governed under the "Articles of Confederation".

The US Consitution we currently enjoy was written in 1787, put into practice in 1788, but not finally enacted as the law of the land by the States until 1789.

They are called the FOUNDING fathers because the FOUNDED the nation.

OH I see thats your definition of what a founding father is. Thanks for sharing.

A founding father would be anyone that help create this nation. Since the Constitution is the foundation of this nation the signers of the Constitution would be the founders of this nation. and since America the nation did not exist until after the signing of the Constitution your argument is weak.

Ed Just want to make sure you did not over look my response.
 
Nope.

Washington and Hamilton were advocates of a strong central government..Jefferson and Madison were not. Both are liberal views..and that is part and parcel with Liberalism. The acceptance or tolerance of views you may not agree with.

Conservatives hold no such value.



So Liberals are both for and against strong central government and both for and against strong local government?

The wisdom and governance of the Big 0 are suddenly and completely explained. He has no clue what he favors or what he opposes and no general direction he prefers to move in. He is for all of it and against all of it and will know he has achieved his goals when he has failed to accomplish his purpose.

Wow!

Liberals are against exclusion. Conservatives are exclusionary.

The current debacle about the Muslim religion illustrates that nicely.

Simple as that.


I am a Conservative and don't give a damn about the Muslim Religion. Or the Christian Religion for that matter. The only exclusion I am interested in is excluding the government from my life.

I oppose any law that imposes unneeded restrictions on my freedom and oppose the expansion of the power of the Federal Government. Government should be brought as close as possible to the governed. The Federal Government should defend the borders which they refuse to do, regulate the commerce between the states and with the world and settle disputes between the states.

I believe that money that I earn belongs to me and not to Nancy Pelosi and that increasing taxes will never eclipse the increasing budgets of the thieves and sycophants in Washington DC. Reducing spending is the only way to reduce the deficits and until that happens, we will never balance the budget. That said, the government and the taxes that support it are needed evils that must be constrained to a very limited presence.

I believe that as a society we have the responsibility to care for the very old, the very young and the infirm. The able bodied are responsible to contribute responsibly to the general welfare of the society.

I believe that government employees who have no experience in areas like Health Care Insurance are generally incompetent to understand how these things work and should leave well enough alone rather than destroy what worked and replace it with something that is so bad that waivers must be granted to every company in the country rather than have it take effect.

I believe that good intentions are fine for my mother in law's birthday party, but the actual results should be examined when spending upwards of a trillion dollars on the bad ideas, broken plans and outright theft of the Congress. The actual results around us today suck.

I have said before that W was a Liberal in terms of spending and that the Big 0 is worse. Please don't bother to compare Republicans to Democrats as they are all Liberals in terms of spending. State governors like Mitch Danials who are running a government with a balanced budget understand what's happening and they are doing the job they were hired to do. Manage the government to work within the constraints of the collected revenues.

Conservatives are first and foremost dedicated to responsible fiscal policy. Everything else is a group of wedge issues to divide the community into factions and distract from the real goals.

Your example of the Muslim Reilgion is a perfect example of this. It is complete and utter BS that has nothing to do with anything. We have 10% unemployment because the business people can't figure out if they can make more money at 4% interest or if they should risk that capital and do business.

The Big 0 doesn't get it and he never will. He's a community organizer who views the rich as the enemy good only for sanctioned victimization as he puts "the boot on their throat". Until there is some hope of getting the R of the ROI from this economy, don't look for the I.

Liberal Policies in lending are what produced the credit bubble and the subsequent collapse of the economy. This Liberal policy was supported by both Republicans and Democrats. Without this Liberal Policy, we would not be in the fix we are in right now. More of the poisen that brought us here will hardly cure the problem.

However, here we go again with another Stimulus. I hope God has mercy on us because the rest of the world will not.
 
So Liberals are both for and against strong central government and both for and against strong local government?

The wisdom and governance of the Big 0 are suddenly and completely explained. He has no clue what he favors or what he opposes and no general direction he prefers to move in. He is for all of it and against all of it and will know he has achieved his goals when he has failed to accomplish his purpose.

Wow!

Liberals are against exclusion. Conservatives are exclusionary.

The current debacle about the Muslim religion illustrates that nicely.

Simple as that.


I am a Conservative and don't give a damn about the Muslim Religion. Or the Christian Religion for that matter. The only exclusion I am interested in is excluding the government from my life.

I oppose any law that imposes unneeded restrictions on my freedom and oppose the expansion of the power of the Federal Government. Government should be brought as close as possible to the governed. The Federal Government should defend the borders which they refuse to do, regulate the commerce between the states and with the world and settle disputes between the states.

I believe that money that I earn belongs to me and not to Nancy Pelosi and that increasing taxes will never eclipse the increasing budgets of the thieves and sycophants in Washington DC. Reducing spending is the only way to reduce the deficits and until that happens, we will never balance the budget. That said, the government and the taxes that support it are needed evils that must be constrained to a very limited presence.

I believe that as a society we have the responsibility to care for the very old, the very young and the infirm. The able bodied are responsible to contribute responsibly to the general welfare of the society.

I believe that government employees who have no experience in areas like Health Care Insurance are generally incompetent to understand how these things work and should leave well enough alone rather than destroy what worked and replace it with something that is so bad that waivers must be granted to every company in the country rather than have it take effect.

I believe that good intentions are fine for my mother in law's birthday party, but the actual results should be examined when spending upwards of a trillion dollars on the bad ideas, broken plans and outright theft of the Congress. The actual results around us today suck.

I have said before that W was a Liberal in terms of spending and that the Big 0 is worse. Please don't bother to compare Republicans to Democrats as they are all Liberals in terms of spending. State governors like Mitch Danials who are running a government with a balanced budget understand what's happening and they are doing the job they were hired to do. Manage the government to work within the constraints of the collected revenues.

Conservatives are first and foremost dedicated to responsible fiscal policy. Everything else is a group of wedge issues to divide the community into factions and distract from the real goals.

Your example of the Muslim Reilgion is a perfect example of this. It is complete and utter BS that has nothing to do with anything. We have 10% unemployment because the business people can't figure out if they can make more money at 4% interest or if they should risk that capital and do business.

The Big 0 doesn't get it and he never will. He's a community organizer who views the rich as the enemy good only for sanctioned victimization as he puts "the boot on their throat". Until there is some hope of getting the R of the ROI from this economy, don't look for the I.

Liberal Policies in lending are what produced the credit bubble and the subsequent collapse of the economy. This Liberal policy was supported by both Republicans and Democrats. Without this Liberal Policy, we would not be in the fix we are in right now. More of the poisen that brought us here will hardly cure the problem.

However, here we go again with another Stimulus. I hope God has mercy on us because the rest of the world will not.

:clap2: "You must spread rep blah, blah, blah"
 
there, I said it. Feel free to prove me wrong with empirical fact. go on :eusa_eh:

Of course not, in the context of their times they were Liberal. But what you are implying is that Conservatives today do not stand for what the founders stood for. Which is of course not true. Today's conservatives stand for not straying to far from what the founders intended.

Also....back then....the left boundary on the political scale hadn't gone as far as it is today.

From the prospective of a Progressive today...everything is to the right.


If that were true, an Obama supporter would not have called my collection of founding father quotes LEFT wing extremist o_0
 
That's just silly.

Liberals can be religious or not. And the sort of religion they follow isn't a problem.

That's not the same with conservatives. You are religious..and in this country..that religion better be Christian..

Or you are not..in which case you must be converted or discarded. And that's the way it's been with conservatives since the beginning.

You're confusing spirituality with being religious.

You've the the Tea Party folks that attend services on Wednesday and those that attend only on Easter Sunday. Don't lump us all together.

Was Jesus spiritual or was he religious?

Sorry..I am not cofusing anything.

You seem to be.

But I will help..

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lib·er·al&#8194; &#8194;/&#712;l&#618;b&#601;r&#601;l, &#712;l&#618;br&#601;l/ Show Spelled
[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.
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–adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4. ( often initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5. ( initial capital letter ) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6. having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
7. Mathematics . (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar.
–noun
8. a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
9. a supporter of conservative political policies.
10. ( initial capital letter ) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain.
11. a preservative.
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This is an easy one. The above is not the only definition of being liberal.

Do you feel this way?

Do you support freedom around the world...even if it involves countries like Iran and Iraq? Being liberal doesn't mean you only support freedom when it suits you.
You can't say you're being liberal when you want to silence free expression of religion.
You can't say you're being liberal when you support a strong central government that holds a gun to the taxpayers heads so they can pay for all of their social programs that are really just bribes to get votes.
And one of the things your definition screwed up is being liberal means you have few principles to live by because being liberal means just about anything goes.
 

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