Our Founding Fathers included Islam

[pismoe]

no , don't know much about them 'idb' because I don't think that they cause much problem inside the USA and the west so they are mostly low key I think . Mostly I think that the ones you mention don't flood the USA as third world jihadis and they , as individuals just drink beer , go to strip joints , porno shops and spend money . Saudis in particular are said to like a good time as they spend lots of money when they get rid of the robes and headgear . Think that Dubai builds some nice islands but I might be mistaken about it being Dubai . Also hear that the manmade islands are sinking .

 

[acludem]

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both owned copies of the Qu'ran and both read them. They even discussed it in some of the letters they wrote to each other. When discussing Islam in the context of U.S. History one should not forget that many of the Africans who were captured and enslaved were Muslim. They were often forced to convert to Christianity by slave owners who felt threatened by slaves having their own religion. Islam has been in the Americas since well before the U.S. came about.

 

[pismoe]

Kuwait might be all right , I know that the USA rescued them in the 1992 war as Iraqi army was retreating from Kuwait on the American built ' highway of death' .

 

[idb]

no , don't know much about them 'idb' because I don't think that they cause much problem inside the USA and the west so they are mostly low key I think . Mostly I think that the ones you mention don't flood the USA as third world jihadis and they , as individuals just drink beer , go to strip joints , porno shops and spend money . Saudis in particular are said to like a good time as they spend lots of money when they get rid of the robes and headgear . Think that Dubai builds some nice islands but I might be mistaken about it being Dubai . Also hear that the manmade islands are sinking .

So, in other words, you are walking back your point about all Arab countries being hell holes despite their oil money.
You're really just forming your arguments on the fly aren't you?
You have no linear narrative from post to post.

 

[idb]

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both owned copies of the Qu'ran and both read them. They even discussed it in some of the letters they wrote to each other. When discussing Islam in the context of U.S. History one should not forget that many of the Africans who were captured and enslaved were Muslim. They were often forced to convert to Christianity by slave owners who felt threatened by slaves having their own religion. Islam has been in the Americas since well before the U.S. came about.

Of course it has, but that thought just offends the simpletons that can't think beyond last night's news headlines.

 

[pismoe]

Winston Churchill also knew the Koran , he didn't like islam , he wrote a book , think it was called 'the river war' 'acludem' . Lots of those slaves that were sold and made Christian were probably muslim slaves and only muslim because they got a better deal , food , conditions because they claimed to be muslim . USA first war was against the muslim state of Algeria I think . Yeah , Jefferson and Adams read a lot , probably also read the 'satanic bible' if it existed in their times .

 

[idb]

Winston Churchill also knew the Koran , he didn't like islam , he wrote a book , think it was called 'the river war' 'acludem' . Lots of those slaves that were sold and made Christian were probably muslim slaves and only muslim because they got a better deal , food , conditions because they claimed to be muslim . USA first war was against the muslim state of Algeria I think . Yeah , Jefferson and Adams read a lot , probably also read the 'satanic bible' if it existed in their times .

'Probably'

 

[pismoe]

not walking anything back 'idb' , he11 , the rich Saudis muslims don't seem to be very moral people when they lose their robes and headgear as they buy loose women and drink beer and view porn here in the USA . They seem like snakes in my opinion , shifty and untrustworthy but they don't seem to be the jihadis that are causing most of the mayhem in the western world like England or Boston USA . And the Kuwaitis don't seem very adept at engineering if their manmade islands are sinking .

 

[Jroc]

What is that supposed to show?
Where is there support amongst American muslims for subjugating America to Islam?

Demonstrations? Movements? Polls?

Shows the movement of the muslim botherhood of which you may be a part of CAIR ect... People are afraid to criticize muslim radicals for fear of offending. You yourself push that narrative. Which is why i continue to believe you a part of that movement as a mouth piece.

Ok. Essentially you are saying that No - you can provide any actual data to support your claims beyond some vague conspiracy theory bullcrap? Oh, and more monkey poo. You never run out do you?

So what do you think of Zuhdi Jasser? No opinion?

I looked him up: Zuhdi Jasser - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Based on that, I would say he sounds interesting. Some points make sense, others I disagree with, including some of his associations.

Yeah like you've never hear of him before

 

[idb]

not walking anything back 'idb' , he11 , the rich Saudis muslims don't seem to be very moral people when they lose their robes and headgear as they buy loose women and drink beer and view porn here in the USA . They seem like snakes in my opinion , shifty and untrustworthy but they don't seem to be the jihadis that are causing most of the mayhem in the western world like England or Boston USA . And the Kuwaitis don't seem very adept at engineering if their manmade islands are sinking .

Good grief...you're just spraying everywhere.

 

[ChrisL]

a little more change to 'ny' city . --- NYC schools adding 2 Muslim holidays to calendar New York Post --- just some info !!

Seriously - what is wrong with that?

School holidays are very regionally decided and influenced by the local demographics. In areas where there are a lot of Muslim families, adding those Holidays make sense. I work at a state university. Holidays are set by the state, and counties or insitutions can also set aside some holidays as "Days of Special Concern". Our state only has Good Friday and Christmas as state wide religious holidays. It makes sense, we do not have substantial Muslim, Jewish or other religious communities. But our schools list some of their holidays as "days of special concern" whereby teachers should be sensitive (not punative) to students being absent.

Schools are driven by the needs of their neighborhood. That is not a bad thing. Expanding it to include other faiths is part of what it means to be American. Here is an article on an attempt to include Diwali as a recognized Holiday. It makes sense. It hurts no one.

What about Easter?

I don't really have a problem with it, but geez how many more holidays can the schools afford. Also, what if someone is an atheist and they want their children to have winter solstice? What if someone is a Hindu and wants their holidays recognized, same with every other religious denomination. We cannot please everyone. We cannot twist and contort our system to appease all of these people and their religious beliefs.

 

[ChrisL]

Westerners though , look at what they have built . Look in Europe , Australia , England and the best when you look at the USA . About 200 years as an independent contry and the USA had men walking on the moon .

Read up on some real history to understand how Islam helped to pull the West out of the Dark Ages.

And what have they done for us lately?

 

[idb]

Westerners though , look at what they have built . Look in Europe , Australia , England and the best when you look at the USA . About 200 years as an independent contry and the USA had men walking on the moon .

Read up on some real history to understand how Islam helped to pull the West out of the Dark Ages.

And what have they done for us lately?

I didn't know that they had to do something for 'us'.
By 'us I assume you mean 'The West'?

 

[pismoe]

spraying everywhere , just stating facts 'idb' . And as far as whats the west done , well the west , USA in particular has provided a place for me and my family , friends , and general USA populace to live and prosper . It'd be far different , especially for women in most muslim lands .

 

[pismoe]

and as regards holidays and how many more can be afforded , no problem as they just make a new holiday and get rid or replace an old Christion , American or Traditional holiday . Pretty easy actually , if the holiday maker has a pen .

 

[pismoe]

replace Thanksgiving with 'celebrate immigrants day' , easy when you have a pen !! --- White House Task Force Wants Obama to Change Thanksgiving to Celebrate Immigrants Day via Executive Order Restoring Liberty --- think its factual .

 

[Coyote]

What is that supposed to show?
Where is there support amongst American muslims for subjugating America to Islam?

Demonstrations? Movements? Polls?

Shows the movement of the muslim botherhood of which you may be a part of CAIR ect... People are afraid to criticize muslim radicals for fear of offending. You yourself push that narrative. Which is why i continue to believe you a part of that movement as a mouth piece.

Ok. Essentially you are saying that No - you can provide any actual data to support your claims beyond some vague conspiracy theory bullcrap? Oh, and more monkey poo. You never run out do you?

So what do you think of Zuhdi Jasser? No opinion?

I looked him up: Zuhdi Jasser - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Based on that, I would say he sounds interesting. Some points make sense, others I disagree with, including some of his associations.

Yeah like you've never hear of him before

Actually I haven't.

 

[Coyote]

I doubt that Jefferson would have supported Militant Islam and the replacing of U.S. rule of law with Sharia.

Just sayin'.

He supported religious pluralism and specifically used Islam as a test case.

I have not heard any Americans calling for replacing US law with Sharia.

 

[Coyote]

a little more change to 'ny' city . --- NYC schools adding 2 Muslim holidays to calendar New York Post --- just some info !!

Seriously - what is wrong with that?

School holidays are very regionally decided and influenced by the local demographics. In areas where there are a lot of Muslim families, adding those Holidays make sense. I work at a state university. Holidays are set by the state, and counties or insitutions can also set aside some holidays as "Days of Special Concern". Our state only has Good Friday and Christmas as state wide religious holidays. It makes sense, we do not have substantial Muslim, Jewish or other religious communities. But our schools list some of their holidays as "days of special concern" whereby teachers should be sensitive (not punative) to students being absent.

Schools are driven by the needs of their neighborhood. That is not a bad thing. Expanding it to include other faiths is part of what it means to be American. Here is an article on an attempt to include Diwali as a recognized Holiday. It makes sense. It hurts no one.

What about Easter?

I don't really have a problem with it, but geez how many more holidays can the schools afford. Also, what if someone is an atheist and they want their children to have winter solstice? What if someone is a Hindu and wants their holidays recognized, same with every other religious denomination. We cannot please everyone. We cannot twist and contort our system to appease all of these people and their religious beliefs.

Easter is Sunday, so it's a day off anyway. Community demographics should determine local holidays.

We can not insist that only Christian religious days be honored, and if there are sufficient numbers of people who follow another religion - why not? Who says only Christians holidays can be observed?

 

[pismoe]

wouldn't have been a problem except for importation of third worlders of a different religion and that's been my point all along Coyote !