Our budget needs to introduce V.A.T. on INDULGING LUXURIES & needs a tax on wealth.

[daveman]

You are parroting the same propagandist scare tactic used against the labor union movement and the New Deal, both of which operated to raise America out of the economic pit dug by the Great Depression and to facilitate the greatest economic boom in world history -- while imposing a progressive income tax of up to 90%.

You need to understand that Socialism is not Communism. The extent of the Socialist policy I advocate for America is the confiscation of personal assets in excess of twenty million dollars. If you infer this to be a Communist policy, please tell us what Communist entity you are aware of which permits any of its citizens to accumulate twenty million dollar fortunes.

So, you're only a little Communist. That's like being a little pregnant.

And you're a fool if you think you'd be satisfied with the 20 million dollar threshold. It would inevitably creep lower. After all, "it's for the common good".

Right, Comrade?

 

[Wry Catcher]

FDR didn't cause the despression, he just milked it for all the political mileage he could. And prolonged it in the process.

As does Obama with the current economic downturn.

"Never let a crisis go to waste"

Gee, another strong and powerful argument, loaded with facts, analysis and insight.

Is the common characteristic of all those who call themselves conservative absolute ignorance of history?




Answer: Yes it is!

Well, aren't you just living proof of the old axiom "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"? And on both sides of the equation, yet!! Bravo!

It was a simple statement, Freakshow.

The facts, analysis, and insight are available to anyone who wants them. Just no sense in putting them in front of you. You're not brave enough to face the facts, even if you were smart enough to understand them.

Post them, I'll try really really hard to understand them. What facts do you have which provide evidence FDR milked the GD for political advantage and extended it?
FDR was faced with an economic catastrophy of three years and eight months duration at the time he took the oath of office.
What did Coolidge do or Hoover to prevent the GD or mitigated the misery of the American People? Coolidge was elected in a landslide because the economy in 1924 was booming. Do you have any clue as to what brought on the GD?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll give you a hint. Nothing.
How many banks failed between July 1, 1928 and June 30, 1929?
Do you know why?

My wife and I are going out to stimulate the local economy. I look forward to your answers and proving me wrong (that you are ignorant) after dinner.

 

[Big Fitz]

To the OP...

Yes... luxury taxes worked SO well under Carter. The rich don't have to stay put for your shenanigans. They can just leave or buy elsewhere, where you can't tax them.

Great plan.

 

[igor1]

thank you for your replies and responses,
allow yourself to view this matter from a
social perspective rather than from a personal
perhaps read the posted emails again and
research so statistics and projections,

so many people around the world and in particular
throughout whole of asia live now in mega cities of
between 9 - 18 million inhabitance,

the world does not consist of uninhabited deserts
of middle usa where men are free to ride for days
shooting bisons to survive, allow it to be said the
popular and published and perpetuated mind sets
about social dynamics and economics are outdated,

at times so very badly that us citizens should not
be surprised about the dismayed and enraged reactions
from many states and nations from around the world,
the wild west image is history,

the ethics which is the dictate
for daily routines in the USA
in so many subtle ways and
which can be summed up by
'the winner takes all,
the losers are left to fall
and all agree such down & outs
need to be left to rot on their own'

such simply does not wash anymore,

what is so difficult to understand
about the above proposal?,
it is a matter
for each and for everyone to find the
strength and the determination to
think this through more thoroughly,

these proposals will be welcomed by
millions for the benefit of the whole
society - or does your mind doubt even that,

these proposals are NOT going to undermine the
flexibility nor the vibrancy of the corporate sectors
nor of industries, nor of businesses nor of the trades
in cataclysmic ways as the popular disaster movies
over decades have conditioned so many to think,
the government employees would feel upset if some
would doubt their professionalism and integrity,

there are regions across the USA where the populations
can not generate economic growth in spectacular ways,
but the social truth and medical facts are that these
populations need proper health care, need a minimum of
financial security - or is such a notion not acceptable -
once adopted sensible these policies will give a legitimate
security and stability to whole communities, regions, etc.
allowing for a more wide spread social peace and calm,
or is such a goal, such an achievement not registering at all,

the plain, simple, down to earth fact is that the strongest
European economies have developed a very sophisticated,
a well funded, a well taxed and ALSO a well paid workforce
and would you believe it – they live it, there are happy with it
because the needs and the common sense and human financial
requirements are better met than for example in the USA,
where the corporate sector seems to have the upper hand,
where public ethics is completely absorbed and hypnotised
by the rights and demands of the executives stratas and where,
in comparison, the little men and women do not really count,

why do the various US universities and indeed the
US government not arrange for national states and for
EU government officials to visit the USA and to give
many talks across the prairies and indeed in the many cities
on the European social survival model which allow millions
to live in greater social and financial peace than any US media
has ever talked about, please, please, please, understand to the
Europeans the social model and practices so drummed by the
US establishment, are, well, rather carefree and indifferent,
the point is, the US society can develop a more fairer ethics,
because a more caring social ethics, not having a nationwide
health care provisions for all citizens conveys so much to the
European mindsets that it is better not to elaborate otherwise
the growing sense of shame across the USA would flood
too severely, please, move on and grow into a sense of social justice,
the US establishment so far seems to believe and to want to drum only
the ethics of personal justice for the individual, please try, you can do it,

many have shown that a greater social justice and financial fairness and care
can be realized, established and sustained over many decades and nobody needs
to fear that their business instincts so focused to create new opportunities and new wealth will be undermined, please invite the European governments to elaborate,

igor zupnik
11 aug 2010

 

[Big Fitz]

Ah... Orator on the soapbox. Not engaging in conversation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

the NEW DEAL DID KICK IN for all those poor whom nobody interviewed
and whose improvements the US media did not dare print under the faded
pressure of all those who could not care less about anybody around except
for the notion of maximization of their capital, of their wealth based on
constantly increasing profits, all of which the right thing to do in this world,
too many since then amongst such wealthy and well off have realized that
it does not hurt them if they sponsor the basic needs of their fellow citizens,
in so many and in various ways for years and indeed for decades, as it is
people of such insight and of such routines do not talk too much about such
otherwise the poor might have started a revolt and demand basic human dignity
for their families while the luxury barons treat their riding horses, cats and dogs
as if they were royalty, feeding them with food so very many hungry would love
to put on their dinner tables to feed their kids, and how would mums and dads in
all those poverty stricken households love to put their children every night to bed
in the heated and ventilated rooms and palaces where such pets and animals live
for years, giving such pleasure and content to their owners who so love them and
who so care for them even though they are members of other species while
somehow the political moralising and the social morality prefers to keep their fellow
citizens a shivering, ill, hungry and destitute pets and dogs, bats and all such, expressed,
described in the most dismissive and disparaging ways, conveying that they never had the
opportunity as individuals to taste the destitution and the hunger, the sickness due to the
underlying illness in human selfish and self centred thinking, void of love because nobody
dared to stick their head out and to care openly for all those who just fade away,
somehow, somewhere because nobody did wanted to know and because they themselves
just managed from week to week somehow, however today people with money are waking
into a new sense that emerges in their minds and hearts and which blends and bonds them
with those who without it being their fault, and with those whose overheated speculations
led them and their families into ruins,
this process of the dawning of common sense in the minds of the many and of the wealthy
is a reality which is an integral part of the free enterprise culture which made so many free
countries so great, now these societies are awakening into the fact that it is the people that
need to feel great, healthy and strong all their lives if the country is to continue to grow and
to prosper in so many necessary and in so many essential ways,
as the right wing views are melting because
the common sense populus has heart it all before for many generations:
'me, me, me, me,

for some time the new generations of politicians and of their advisors have
realized that allowing the melting pot to become a rational reality for the many
ill, sick, down and out, the forgotten and the poor and all those without any chance
and for their families, it is essential that they have ALSO enough to live on
as a matter of democratic principle, for those who somehow are so permeated with
the concepts, with the symbols and with the shameful simplicity which so utter distorts with purpose into obscurity the notions and the traditions
of social care and of community care, factors and methods which made survival possible for so very many because they helped each other out, because the west was built on more than just horse backs,
igor zupnik
aug 10, 2010

FDR US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average

Show me exactly when FDR's Marxist New Deal ended the Great Depression

How do you react that some of FDR Stimulus money went to fund the Tuskegee Experiments?

 

[igor1]

thank you for your replies and responses,
allow yourself to view this matter from a
social perspective rather than from a personal
perhaps read the posted emails again and
research so statistics and projections,

so many people around the world and in particular
throughout whole of asia live now in mega cities of
between 9 - 18 million inhabitance,

the world does not consist of uninhabited deserts
of middle usa where men are free to ride for days
shooting bisons to survive, allow it to be said the
popular and published and perpetuated mind sets
about social dynamics and economics are outdated,

at times so very badly that us citizens should not
be surprised about the dismayed and enraged reactions
from many states and nations from around the world,
the wild west image is history,

the ethics which is the dictate
for daily routines in the USA
in so many subtle ways and
which can be summed up by
'the winner takes all,
the losers are left to fall
and all agree such down & outs
need to be left to rot on their own'

such simply does not wash anymore,

what is so difficult to understand
about the above proposal?,
it is a matter
for each and for everyone to find the
strength and the determination to
think this through more thoroughly,

these proposals will be welcomed by
millions for the benefit of the whole
society - or does your mind doubt even that,

these proposals are NOT going to undermine the
flexibility nor the vibrancy of the corporate sectors
nor of industries, nor of businesses nor of the trades
in cataclysmic ways as the popular disaster movies
over decades have conditioned so many to think,
the government employees would feel upset if some
would doubt their professionalism and integrity,

there are regions across the USA where the populations
can not generate economic growth in spectacular ways,
but the social truth and medical facts are that these
populations need proper health care, need a minimum of
financial security - or is such a notion not acceptable -
once adopted sensible these policies will give a legitimate
security and stability to whole communities, regions, etc.
allowing for a more wide spread social peace and calm,
or is such a goal, such an achievement not registering at all,

the plain, simple, down to earth fact is that the strongest
European economies have developed a very sophisticated,
a well funded, a well taxed and ALSO a well paid workforce
and would you believe it – they live it, there are happy with it
because the needs and the common sense and human financial
requirements are better met than for example in the USA,
where the corporate sector seems to have the upper hand,
where public ethics is completely absorbed and hypnotised
by the rights and demands of the executives stratas and where,
in comparison, the little men and women do not really count,

why do the various US universities and indeed the
US government not arrange for national states and for
EU government officials to visit the USA and to give
many talks across the prairies and indeed in the many cities
on the European social survival model which allow millions
to live in greater social and financial peace than any US media
has ever talked about, please, please, please, understand to the
Europeans the social model and practices so drummed by the
US establishment, are, well, rather carefree and indifferent,
the point is, the US society can develop a more fairer ethics,
because a more caring social ethics, not having a nationwide
health care provisions for all citizens conveys so much to the
European mindsets that it is better not to elaborate otherwise
the growing sense of shame across the USA would flood
too severely, please, move on and grow into a sense of social justice,
the US establishment so far seems to believe and to want to drum only
the ethics of personal justice for the individual, please try, you can do it,

many have shown that a greater social justice and financial fairness and care
can be realized, established and sustained over many decades and nobody needs
to fear that their business instincts so focused to create new opportunities and new wealth will be undermined, please invite the European governments to elaborate,

igor zupnik
11 aug 2010

 

[daveman]

It seems that Igor Zupnik has two main interests: Advocating crippling economic ideas and naturalism. And he seems to like the latter a whole lot more.

 

[igor1]

the word is naturism or nudism - please concentrate - hm, thanks,
all the best for all those test
igor
11 aug, 2010

 

[igor1]

many of the many haves&wealthy have money
and are professional cynics about everything,
except about their own wealth and money,

once these are given and once they take
the opportunity to live for a good while
as financially struggling individuals or
families, strage, but all that cynicism
starts melting out of their minds and
attitudes, wonder, wonder, why,
and they then actual desplay
hints of human care and consideration,
just grow up, recognize that you are not
the most important person around but
try to get it through your head that
you do not live alone on this planet,
it is a fact that individual need to be
given a chance to decentralize in their
views and thereby gradually change
their ways into a new emerging mind set
where more inclussive concepts dwell,
inclussivity is the new driving force that
does embrace all, whether they sense it not,

integration is possible only up to a point,
but not beyond that, the point is this:
there are so many intelligent and highly
intelligent people with sharp minds and
with sharp tongs who know how to use
words and concepts and how to develop
arguments of the old kind which are boxed
in constant conflicts and wars between
parties of all kinds, brilliant and great, how
will these defend the fact that so many
members in their society, within their
own communities are living on the
breadline all their lives,

the existing and wide spread intelligence
does not have
the sense nor the sensitivity to look across
the road and to care to look whether they
could perhaps help someone, out of the
goodness of their heart, living in
the ditch or in a hole by having no other
option that living on the dole, hoho, hoho, hohoho

if only it was a degree of a growing and maturing
intelligence of all those young and sharp young
entrepreneurs who simply get on with it and create
the needed and essential wealth and economic growth,
that would be no problem at all, but, boy, there are
all these intellectualizing 'have it alls and know it alls'
who are at the same time, if only they could realize,
cold fish through and through, they are so distant,
they are so blocked, they are so locked into their
little domains of this and that as they are most
severely limited in their psychological radius and scope
to integrate anything or anyone into their landscapes
of life, something which they have never been taught
to consider for the sake of others rather than merely out of
self interest driven by the all maximizing drive throughout,

why?

only they can answer, because only they can ask
for guidance once they recognize that there is
more to life than just self-centeredness,

those who,

as they grew in years and decentralized felt very clearly
that there are many worlds into which to grow is most
......................., give yourself a chance and find out,
you most probably won't regret it in the long term even
though it is a strain leaving all that luggage behind, but, boy,
once you have done so, WOW, you will feel a trillion dollars
and every body will know that you have grown into that sphere
where all are united in ways which are out of reach and beyond
comprehension for all those who see only what they have be told,
intelligence and intellect indicate an itch, an inkling and the incline
to want to understand more of what is out there because
they sense quietly within that the very thing also makes them tick
once they click, this sense conveys that there is so much more to the
potency of inclussivity which pervades and invites all into oneness
based on human dignity and of peace of mind for all within society,




igor zupnik
11, aug, 2010

 

[daveman]

the word is naturism or nudism - please concentrate - hm, thanks,
all the best for all those test
igor
11 aug, 2010

Concentrate? On what? Your advocacy of a failed economic model?

You don't really want that, do you?

 

[Mad Scientist]

I, Igor Zupnik do suggest that a responsible government will want to introduce a LUXURY VAT on all luxury goods and services and transactions and that a government representing the whole society will want to introduce an annual 2% - 5% WELFARE TAX, i.e. a TAX ON THE RICH CITIZENS, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMON SOCIETY – as a new concept - for everybody who owns more than $ 15 million...

Urine idiot.

 

[R.C. Christian]

The rich should have the same tax burden IMO as the serfs. But that would just make government larger eventually defeating the purpose so nevermind what I said.

 

[jeffrockit]

I see you've fixed your signature line, though it remains a dishonest and cherry picked stat. Mark Twain must have been prescient and 'saw' your kind when he wrote: "there are liars, damn liars and statistics"; you are a damn liar Frank.

For the graph on unemployment in the U.S. 1929 - 1942 see the link below.

The Great Depression

Another fucking retard who can't be bothered reading what he links to.

"Further, it was not until 1941, when World War II was underway, that the official unemployment rate finally fell below 10%."

So, the article agrees with me that the "Greatness" never kicked in and FDR was a miserable failure.

Thanks, Freddo. Maybe you should go to Las Vegas and learn the casino business?

Spin all you want, stats need context. The graph clearly hows a huge uptake of unemployment before FDR took office. The Great Depression began in August 1929, two months before the Crash.
In his first inaugural address FDR stated:
"Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people's money, and there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency."

FDR did not cause the Great Depression and Obama did not cause the Great Recession. There was a reason the homeless in 1930 called their neighborhoods "Hooverville".
This also provides context:

The Dust Bowl of the 1930s

You are correct that Obama did not cause the current recession. Unfortunately for us he has contributed to it. He may not own it but he sure has added to it.

 

[jeffrockit]

Gee, another strong and powerful argument, loaded with facts, analysis and insight.

Is the common characteristic of all those who call themselves conservative absolute ignorance of history?




Answer: Yes it is!

Considering how "progressives" want the US to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958, I think you're lecturing the wrong folks about not learning from history.

You are parroting the same propagandist scare tactic used against the labor union movement and the New Deal, both of which operated to raise America out of the economic pit dug by the Great Depression and to facilitate the greatest economic boom in world history -- while imposing a progressive income tax of up to 90%.

You need to understand that Socialism is not Communism. The extent of the Socialist policy I advocate for America is the confiscation of personal assets in excess of twenty million dollars. If you infer this to be a Communist policy, please tell us what Communist entity you are aware of which permits any of its citizens to accumulate twenty million dollar fortunes.

To be clear on this, you are in favor of taking money from someone who has earned it and giving that money to someone who has not?

 

[igor1]

daveman you are a happy person, are you not

 

[ConservativeDad]

daveman you are a happy person, are you not

you can't tell from his picture?