Our boys are Dyin' over in Iraq because of Bush's Weak Policy?

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    http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10478&news_iv_ctrl=1221

    Moral Cowardice Prevents Winning the War
    Thursday December 23, 2004


    IRVINE, CA--The blame for the murder of 19 Americans in Mosul yesterday lies not only with the insurgents who initiated the attack, but also with the Bush Administration's suicidal policies, said Dr. Yaron Brook, president of the Ayn Rand Institute. "The insurgency would have been crushed long ago, and yesterday's attack averted, were it not for America's altruistic policy of placing the lives of Iraqi civilians above its own self-defense.

    "America must destroy the insurgency if we are to implement a non-threatening government in Iraq," said Dr. Brook. "This can be done, but to do so we must make the insurgency's complicit civilian population--those who harbor and support the insurgents--pay for the violence that they abet. We must enforce their complete surrender to our presence. Thanks to such a policy, during the occupation of Japan zero soldiers were killed by insurgents and the threat posed by the country was ended.

    "Shamefully, the Bush Administration has been unwilling to make hostile Iraqi civilians pay for their crimes," said Dr. Brook. "Time and again, it has treated Iraqi lives as sacrosanct and American security and soldiers as dispensable. It is in the name of sparing civilians that our soldiers have been ordered to follow crippling rules of engagement that have cost hundreds of their lives. It was in the name of sparing civilians that we withdrew from Fallujah in April, and in November allowed thousands of insurgents to flee to places like Mosul. Such capitulations have preserved and emboldened the insurgents, while giving hope to Islamic terrorists worldwide.

    "To win this war," concluded Dr. Brook, "we need a fundamental shift in our moral priorities. We need to see the military place the lives of Americans--including American soldiers--above the lives of Iraqi civilians. To those who insist that we continue to sacrifice for the sake of Iraqi civilians, I say that the death of 19 Americans yesterday, and the many more to come, are on your heads."
     
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    Actually,we just need better intelligence and the ability to act upon that intelligence.
     
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    I agree with the substance of the post. We have been trying to fight a politically correct war and that needs to stop.

    Pres. Bush miscalculated when he assumed that the Iraqi people were going to cooperate in gaining their freedom once Saddam and his regime were gone. Apparently, this is not the case. Conjure whatever reason you will, but muslims appear to prefer to be tortured and murdered by one of their own rather than be liberated by "infidels".

    If we're going to continue this attempt at nation building, then it's way past time to take the gloves off and treat the entire country as hostile.
     
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    Yeah ...let's blame Bush for it. How about the American people/society as a whole are guilty for disallowing our troops to fight fire with fire. Instead, we place this Christian morality on their every step and give these murdering terrorists a weakness to exploit.

    Make the price more than the scumbags are willing to pay and I bet they back off.
     
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    The Christians dont do that. That is all Liberals!
     
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    and their side-kicks---the press!
     
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    I am opposed to our invasion of Iraq. I do agree with what this article implies. When we go to war, we must be determined to win. The idea of a clean, or moral, or honorable war is absolute la la land. We are now engaged in a battle with an enemy that is determined not to give in and will die proudly for their cause. We just cant justify going in and killing indiscriminately, somehow killing people so they can be free is a hard sell....nor could this sort of reality been successfully "sold" to the average american. (I hope) We cant fight this war the way it needs to be fought....you must meet your enemy.....blow for blow... and more to win.
    We are not going to win this war.....the fighting in Iraq is going to continue... And we will continue to have americans die in the process. Its been going on for a long time....Saddam controlled it somewhat with a merciless regime. Whoever ends up with the most control will have access to the money that flows with the oil.
    I do not want a fundamental shift in our moral priorities as Dr. Brook suggests
    I do think we need to start thinking for ourselves and start demanding sensible and constructive policies from our government.
     
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    Did you ever stop making these demands on our govt? If you did ,you shouldn't have !
     
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    For good or bad I have not sold out my principles for a slice of the american pie. I watch in disbelief as everyday events unfold, and they are accepted as issues that we have no control over....the rationale from those that we elect to be responsible is that "no one could have predicted blah blah blah.....that is their job and they have failed us. Those who do not hold them responsible, are those who re elect these same people time and again.
    This election was based on fear, and those who voted out of fear, are selling us all short, buying into this neocon cause.
     
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    Isn't it a little early in the day to be this drunk?

    The world needs global leadership. No other nation is up to it. The u.n. has failed from corruption and lack of moral framework.

    We are here to save the day. Why are you on the side of evil?
     

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