O'Reilly's War on Xmas = Owned

[no1tovote4]

This all reminds me of a poem.

First They Came for the Jews


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

In this case it seems that they come for one specific religion. In California there was a city seal that had a cross as well as pagan symbolism on it, the ACLU fought hard to get the cross removed and were successful. Regardless of the historic symbolism of that cross, it didn't matter to the ACLU. Each time they are successful in silencing the people on public land we are one step closer to an exclusive society where certain expression will not be tolerated, except in hidden cellars accross the land.

While I am not a Christian, I will fight for their right to be represented publicly on public land as well as private. I will fight for this as I too would like to be included in the public sector rather than remitted to a 'private' expression of religion and beliefs only at home. You cannot relegate my expression to the home, it is against the first amendment.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Not only do you "no1tovote for" disagree with the justices, but some of the other justices disagreed with them also!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

For those of you hating on the ACLU, you might want to take into account that they are the only group out there fighting to maintain your civil liberties. If it weren't for the ACLU, we would be living in an even more restrictive police state than we do now.

"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) would like you to believe that their singular goal is the unbiased, non-partisan defense of your civil liberties as defined by our honored Bill of Rights.

They claim that they defend the freedoms established in our Constitution in order to ensure, most especially, your First Amendment Rights.

They do not. They seek to replace the democracy the Founding Fathers fought for with their own atheist vision.

Never before in the history of this nation has any organization done more to promote moral decay as has the ACLU. For over 75 years the ACLU has steadily blurred the clear distinction between liberty and license and feverishly worked to undermine the Christian and moral heritage of our nation.

This brief exposé reveals the real nature of this organization that hides behind the guise of preserving liberty."

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/ACLU/ACLUhome.html

 

[ScreamingEagle]

This all reminds me of a poem.

First They Came for the Jews


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

In this case it seems that they come for one specific religion. In California there was a city seal that had a cross as well as pagan symbolism on it, the ACLU fought hard to get the cross removed and were successful. Regardless of the historic symbolism of that cross, it didn't matter to the ACLU. Each time they are successful in silencing the people on public land we are one step closer to an exclusive society where certain expression will not be tolerated, except in hidden cellars accross the land.

While I am not a Christian, I will fight for their right to be represented publicly on public land as well as private. I will fight for this as I too would like to be included in the public sector rather than remitted to a 'private' expression of religion and beliefs only at home. You cannot relegate my expression to the home, it is against the first amendment.

I think it is important to quote an historic poem correctly. Niemoller's poem reflects his eyewitness account of things since he was actually there during those times when Nazism/Fascism raised its ugly head. There are many variations of this poem running around such as the incorrect one you quoted where it says they came for the Jews first. This is the correct version:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

http://www.christianethicstoday.com...or the Jews By Franklin H Littell_009_29_.htm

The original German version/direct translation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

 

[Gunny]

For those of you hating on the ACLU, you might want to take into account that they are the only group out there fighting to maintain your civil liberties. If it weren't for the ACLU, we would be living in an even more restrictive police state than we do now.

The ACLU doesn't fight to maintain MY civil liberties. I'm not queer, pregnant wanting to destroy my child before birth, nor any other anomally on society. Only then would I be supported by those idiots.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah....it's.....

....THAT TIME, AGAIN!!!!!

 

[Lovebears65]

There is nothing wrong with saying Holiday gifts . Isnt Hanukkah in Dec too. My problem is when people get offended by other people saying Merry Christmas

 

[konradv]

That offends millions of Christians, see? Eighty-five percent of the country calls itself Christian.

The problem with this statement is that Bill is suggesting that 100% of the Christians are offended enough by "Happy Holidays" to take their business elsewhere. I wonder what percentage of that 85% that call themselves Christians care more about their pocket books than what some retailer is calling December this year? I believe that as long as Wal-Mart is 5% cheaper than the stores around it, they could say "Happy Satan's Day" and most customers would be back the next week.

Any Christian that's offended by Happy Holidays, isn't a Christian at all.

 

[konradv]

For those of you hating on the ACLU, you might want to take into account that they are the only group out there fighting to maintain your civil liberties. If it weren't for the ACLU, we would be living in an even more restrictive police state than we do now.

That's funny, because I believe it is the groups fighting against the ACLU, that are fighting for my civil liberties. The ACLU truly is the Anti-Christian Liberties Union. It is doing a very good job of bringing about the godless, immoral America that it's Communist founder and leaders dreamed of.

And if you think America is a police state, you must not know much about other countries or read much world history. I'm sure all the people risking their very lives to flee truly restrictive regimes to come here would find that statement ridiculous. Will the hyperbole and emotional extremism from the left ever end?

I agree that America isn't a police state, but have to at least thank the ACLU for their part in making that true.

 

[konradv]

There is nothing wrong with saying Holiday gifts . Isnt Hanukkah in Dec too. My problem is when people get offended by other people saying Merry Christmas

Who's offended? Got an example?

 

[bodecea]

Again. Who cares what ORielly says or does?

I think you should post more on this thread to convince us that you do not care.

 

[bodecea]

It seems to me that the ACLU demanding the removal of things like nativity scenes while ignoring symbols of other religions is a far better example of hypocrisy that anything O'Reilly has said.

Such as?

 

[konradv]

For those of you hating on the ACLU, you might want to take into account that they are the only group out there fighting to maintain your civil liberties. If it weren't for the ACLU, we would be living in an even more restrictive police state than we do now.

That was twenty years ago. They are now a dinosaur. Evoluton has passed them by. They are no longer needed They are now a destructive force. They need to learn from the abolitionists, true Christians, true conservatives, once your goal is achieved, disband. Otherwise you become useless and counterproductive.

Name one civil liberty they have enforced for me in the last 10 years.

I will name one real life time they restricted my liberties. I wanted to place an ad for rent for a room in my house. Actually, there were two rooms. attatched to each other. One was only accesable to the other, so two strangers couldnt rent each other out. But i thought it was an ideal situation for a single mother, the second room for her kids.

Now, realistically, mothers get custody of the kids 98% of the time

But when I wanted to say "ideal for single mothers" in my ad, I wasnt allowed to. yea, lots of freedom, common sense and protection of civil liberties, eh?

Who said you weren't allowed to? You've only given us thalf the story. How is that the ACLU's fault? This is EXACTLY the kind of thing you need to contact the ACLU about. What civil liberties have they enforced? All of them, IMO. The fact that we have as many as we do, has a lot to do with the ACLU.