Oregon imposes gag order on Christian bakers in gay wedding case

According to the article posted there is.


According to the actual order there isn't.

Which is more authoritative, the actual order or what someone tells you about the order?
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You have the link?
Posted in the thread by Paperview. Apparently state law forbids a business from putting up a sign saying "we hate xxxxx" or something to that order. Which is silly, IMO, but it most certainly isn't a gag order forbidding these two bakers from discussing the case.

That's how I read it too. But it's much worse than silly. Gag orders often make sense, especially in civil cases. But this a general violation of their freedom to express a specific opinion. It cuts right to the bone of freedom of speech.
I was incorrect. The law actual says if the PA law says you can't discriminate against X you can't put up a sign saying We Don't Serve X.

Apparently they can still put up signs saying gays, jews, negroes, etc., suck. As it should be.

It's the conceit of PA laws that there is a significant difference between the two.
 
Well well, Squashing the rights of the people seems to be the order in the state of Oregon. AND you sit and say NOTHING. and others start threads Cheering it

SNIP:
Oregon imposes gag order on Christian bakers in gay wedding case
By Dan Calabrese -- Bio and Archives July 3, 2015



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I don’t know if you’ve followed the case of Sweet Cakes by Melissa. This is the now-closed bakery in Oregon that has become a target of state officials because its Christian owners declined to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding.

Not only has the business been forced to close, the state has fined the Kleins $135,000. But it gets worse. Much worse. Now that state has responded to a radio interview the Kleins gave by ordering them to no longer talk publicly about why their faith compels them to decline such business.

We’ve been telling you for some time now that this gay wedding business is little more than a cover for Fascism. Some of you thought that was way overblown. Can you still doubt it after this?

In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to “cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs.

“This effectively strips us of all our First Amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”

Lawyers for plaintiffs, Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, argued that in making this statement, the Kleins violated an Oregon law banning people from acting on behalf of a place of public accommodation (in this case, the place would be the Kleins’ former bakery) to communicate anything to the effect that the place of public accommodation would discriminate.

The specific order reads: “The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation.”

all of it here:
Oregon imposes gag order on Christian bakers in gay wedding case




Such is the nature of National Socialists, OKA: The Fascists!
 
All things considered, I suspect that they would have been better off baking and selling the cake.....

That's liberals for you, OBEY or be destroyed.

I would call it common sense. On one side, pay $135,000, break the law, and lose my business. On the other side, bake and sell a cake.

Decisions, decisions.....

How about I decide to stay true to my faith. Who are you to take away that right? As long as there is a gay baker and a gay florist willing to provide cakes and flowers and rainbows, why insist that a person of faith, set their faith aside or be punished?

Because there is nothing in the Christian Bible that says, "Thou shalt not bake a wedding cake for a woman who lies with a woman or a man who lies with a man", which means that it is not a tenant of your faith, but, instead, your choice to discriminate.

1) The word is "tenet".

2) No one asked you for your instruction on how to be a Christian.
 
Be whatever you want. Don't expect me to agree with everything you say and do. I don't have to. We live in America.
You do what you want and I'll do what I want. If there was only one bakery in the country and they refused to make your cake, then bitch. If you have the pick of all most all of the bakeries in the country, don't target the ones who have an issue of faith with what you want.

Or- if you run a bakery- plan on following the law- and don't target your customers for discrimination.
Silly Leftist! It was the bakery that was targeted, not the other way around.
 
Well well, Squashing the rights of the people seems to be the order in the state of Oregon. AND you sit and say NOTHING. and others start threads Cheering it

SNIP:
Oregon imposes gag order on Christian bakers in gay wedding case
By Dan Calabrese -- Bio and Archives July 3, 2015



calabrese070315-2.jpg
I don’t know if you’ve followed the case of Sweet Cakes by Melissa. This is the now-closed bakery in Oregon that has become a target of state officials because its Christian owners declined to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding.

Not only has the business been forced to close, the state has fined the Kleins $135,000. But it gets worse. Much worse. Now that state has responded to a radio interview the Kleins gave by ordering them to no longer talk publicly about why their faith compels them to decline such business.

We’ve been telling you for some time now that this gay wedding business is little more than a cover for Fascism. Some of you thought that was way overblown. Can you still doubt it after this?

In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to “cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs.

“This effectively strips us of all our First Amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”

Lawyers for plaintiffs, Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, argued that in making this statement, the Kleins violated an Oregon law banning people from acting on behalf of a place of public accommodation (in this case, the place would be the Kleins’ former bakery) to communicate anything to the effect that the place of public accommodation would discriminate.

The specific order reads: “The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation.”

all of it here:
Oregon imposes gag order on Christian bakers in gay wedding case





I just debunked the "gag order" bullshit in another thread.

The story is fake - you FAIL.
 
Be whatever you want. Don't expect me to agree with everything you say and do. I don't have to. We live in America.
You do what you want and I'll do what I want. If there was only one bakery in the country and they refused to make your cake, then bitch. If you have the pick of all most all of the bakeries in the country, don't target the ones who have an issue of faith with what you want.

Or- if you run a bakery- plan on following the law- and don't target your customers for discrimination.
Silly Leftist! It was the bakery that was targeted, not the other way around.

No bakery was targeted.

A customer went to the bakery to order a cake.
The bakery refused the order- targeting those specific customers for discrimination.

Silly Cons- even Christians have to follow the law.
 
Be whatever you want. Don't expect me to agree with everything you say and do. I don't have to. We live in America.
You do what you want and I'll do what I want. If there was only one bakery in the country and they refused to make your cake, then bitch. If you have the pick of all most all of the bakeries in the country, don't target the ones who have an issue of faith with what you want.

Or- if you run a bakery- plan on following the law- and don't target your customers for discrimination.
Silly Leftist! It was the bakery that was targeted, not the other way around.

No bakery was targeted.

A customer went to the bakery to order a cake.
The bakery refused the order- targeting those specific customers for discrimination.

Silly Cons- even Christians have to follow the law.
Bigotry is what's being targeted. And what most people aren't appreciating is that if we allow government to use economic regulation to target the bigots, we're implicitly granting it the power to target any other opinions that fall into disrepute in similar fashion.

Today we're targeting the racists, sexists and homophobes, but tomorrow it might be socialists, or feminists, or pacifists, or anyone else who chooses to express their values via their economic transactions.
 
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There is no gag order. The couple can discuss this all they want. And in fact they went on a talk show and discussed it. They also lied about it, which is a sin. Making a cake for a gay couple is not a sin.

According to the article posted there is.


According to the actual order there isn't.

Which is more authoritative, the actual order or what someone tells you about the order?
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You have the link?
Posted in the thread by Paperview. Apparently state law forbids a business from putting up a sign saying "we hate xxxxx" or something to that order. Which is silly, IMO, but it most certainly isn't a gag order forbidding these two bakers from discussing the case.

The order prevents them from discussing their views on providing services to gay weddings with the media.
 
Be whatever you want. Don't expect me to agree with everything you say and do. I don't have to. We live in America.
You do what you want and I'll do what I want. If there was only one bakery in the country and they refused to make your cake, then bitch. If you have the pick of all most all of the bakeries in the country, don't target the ones who have an issue of faith with what you want.

Or- if you run a bakery- plan on following the law- and don't target your customers for discrimination.
Silly Leftist! It was the bakery that was targeted, not the other way around.

No bakery was targeted.

A customer went to the bakery to order a cake.
The bakery refused the order- targeting those specific customers for discrimination.

Silly Cons- even Christians have to follow the law.

They were targeted, asshole. Not being targeted would mean they just went to the bakery down the street to get their cake.
 
Oh, c'mon. They're not fooling anyone except you, obviously. This was all planned.


Sneaky lesbians.

Arranging for one of them to have their mother get married, order the cake from Sweetcakes and then two years later plan on ordering a cake from the same vendor.




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Did that really happen?
Yes.
Simply buying a cake wasn't the goal. Forcing the Christian to submit was the goal.
To repeat: You obviously don't know the details of the case.

Maybe what you're read on right wing hypo-sites.

I doubt you've read the actual rulings.

It appears he knows the details of the case quite well. What he doesn't know is the made-up details the GAYstapo has put together.
 
Exactly how many pounds of brain damage does it take to believe this bakery's exclusion of gays has anything to do with religion?

The Christian business was targeted to test the new law.

And to make an example of them for intimidation purposes. Its crystal clear that the State is saying they will bully you, slap a gag order on you, and try to destroy you financially if you dare disagree with their world view.
Society has rules, obey them or face the consequences...

Isn't that the Nazi motto?
 
Exactly how many pounds of brain damage does it take to believe this bakery's exclusion of gays has anything to do with religion?

The Christian business was targeted to test the new law.
And to make an example of them for intimidation purposes. Its crystal clear that the State is saying they will bully you, slap a gag order on you, and try to destroy you financially if you dare disagree with their world view.
Society has rules, obey them or face the consequences...

LOL. When are you going to demand immigration laws be enforced?

Yeah, these liberal turds are all big on enforcing certain laws, but they wipe their ass on laws get in the way of their agenda. Whenever Obama craps on the Constitution they all cheer.
 
Exactly how many pounds of brain damage does it take to believe this bakery's exclusion of gays has anything to do with religion?

The Christian business was targeted to test the new law.

And to make an example of them for intimidation purposes. Its crystal clear that the State is saying they will bully you, slap a gag order on you, and try to destroy you financially if you dare disagree with their world view.
Society has rules, obey them or face the consequences...

LOL. When are you going to demand immigration laws be enforced?
They already are, just not at the level you want, which would crash the economy, raise taxes hugely, and require the confiscation of hundreds of miles of private property at the border. When are you going to start thinking like an adult?

Puhleeze. You have to be a congenital moron or utterly dishonest to claim Obama is enforcing our immigration laws. He issued an executive order that clearly violates those laws.
 
That you call them names just proves that you would like to continue to victimize them.
Oh, c'mon. They're not fooling anyone except you, obviously. This was all planned.


Sneaky lesbians.

Arranging for one of them to have their mother get married, order the cake from Sweetcakes and then two years later plan on ordering a cake from the same vendor.




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Did that really happen?


Did the lesbians in the Sweetcakes case purchase a Wedding Cake about 2 years prior for one of the mothers of the couple and then return when it was time for their own wedding cake?


Yes, a fact undisputed in the ruling.


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That pretty much proves that they didn't target Sweetcakes and in fact were repeat customers because they had previously received good service.

It proves nothing of the sort.
 
There is no gag order. The couple can discuss this all they want. And in fact they went on a talk show and discussed it. They also lied about it, which is a sin. Making a cake for a gay couple is not a sin.

According to the article posted there is.


According to the actual order there isn't.

Which is more authoritative, the actual order or what someone tells you about the order?
>>>>

You have the link?
Posted in the thread by Paperview. Apparently state law forbids a business from putting up a sign saying "we hate xxxxx" or something to that order. Which is silly, IMO, but it most certainly isn't a gag order forbidding these two bakers from discussing the case.

The order prevents them from discussing their views on providing services to gay weddings with the media.
No it doesn't.
 
According to the article posted there is.


According to the actual order there isn't.

Which is more authoritative, the actual order or what someone tells you about the order?
>>>>

You have the link?
Posted in the thread by Paperview. Apparently state law forbids a business from putting up a sign saying "we hate xxxxx" or something to that order. Which is silly, IMO, but it most certainly isn't a gag order forbidding these two bakers from discussing the case.

The order prevents them from discussing their views on providing services to gay weddings with the media.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does

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The order prevents them from discussing their views on providing services to gay weddings with the media.

No it doesn't.

They are free to discuss their views on providing services to any customer (including homosexuals).

The law (from which the order is derived) means that shops can't post signs saying "We don't serve Jews", "We don't serve Blacks", "We don't serve spics", or "We don't serve faggots".

From the order:

“Respondents assert that ORS 659A.409 prohibits Respondents from "express[ing] their own position" and that ORS 659A.409 amounts to "a speech code.". To the contrary, the language of ORS 659A.409 focuses on the discriminatory effect that accompanies certain speech "published, circulated, issued or displayed" on behalf of a place of public accommodation. It does not cover expressions of personal opinion, political commentary, or other privileged communicates unrelated to the business of a place of public accommodation, and it's breadth is narrowly tailored to address the effects of the speech issue."


http://www.oregon.gov/boli/SiteAssets/pages/press/Sweet Cakes FO.pdf


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