Opposition to Religious People - Any Basis Other Than Intolerance and Bigotry?

The Right To Religious Freedom is codified in the First Amendment. However, that Right by no means or purpose gives those who use their version of their god the right to deny others (based upon Race, Religion, Ethic Bacground or Gender Identity) their rights because certain use their belief in their god as weapon.

There is not one single direct quote or reference by the Man Born of Woman named Jesus in which he condemns Homosexuality. I know, some member will start about Corinthians. That was Paul, NOT JESUS.

I fought for and nearly died for the Freedom of Religion. But that Right also has a flip side, Freedom From Religion.

Your Right To Worship Your Version of Your God is a protected. You do not have the Right To Use Your Religious Freedom to attack others because you HATE (Reference Start of Thread and Read "Faggots") People based on whom they would love.

My wife and I have been for Eighteen (18) Years this November. We lived "In Sin" for Six (06) Years prior to getting married. We dated for One (01) Year. My wife is also a former Cistercian (Strict Observance) Nun. Our marriage is based on our love for each other and we both have friends who are Gay or Lesbian. We have both attended Gay/Lesbian Wedding Ceremonies. Our marriage has survived not because we are Hetro-Sexual, it has survived because we respect and love one another. Our marriage is NOT endangered because Gays and Lesbians want the Same Right of Civil Marriage we have.

I am NOT a Christain (I am so damn thankful I'm NOT). I am a Diest. I accept and believe in a God, but that God is not totally and completely and to the absolute exclusion of all other possible life, concerned in or invovled in the life on just ONE (01) Planet in our Universe.

The OP of this thread wants his Right to Religious Freedom Respected. He uses the word "Faggot" in his opening for this thread. He wants his rights respected, yet even in his opening, he uses a Hateful, Mean Spirited, Bigoted Word because he, as a person who believes in Religious Freedom, believes as part of his "Freedom" he can Hate. He uses his Religious Freedom to a vehicle to Hate Others. Which is the best reason I can use to NOT attend his church.

He believes in a Hateful god. His own words betray that.
 
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Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people, well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

I must say that is fucking funny. Here we have a religionist calling faggots bigots.:clap2: Almost as funny as a Gay guy who complains about interracial marriages.

How about I view you with the same distain with which you view homosexuals. That doesn't go for all folks who are religious, just the few who spew the shit you spew.
 
what religious leader in the US of A burned a holy book of another religion?

You mean he PRACTICED his FIRST AMENDMENT right to peaceful assemble and let everyone know his OPINION? Ohh my God we better make some new laws.

By the way he is NOT a very big or well known " religious leader" In fact all he is the leader of is one small congregation in one town. But you spin it anyway you want and remind us how One guy of a small church is the same as thousands of Muslim religious leaders condoning terror attacks.

How many human beings died because of that book burning?
 
We are being conditioned by the elite that when we hear of religion we will have a conditioned response to feel negative. This is why many people will answer the same way when religion is brought up in regards to public life.

I fear everyone that attempts to deny my freedom with their religous beliefs.
Something about being a patriotic American and lover of FREEDOM above religion.

There are a great many atheists who want to deny your freedom... intolerance is intolerance and it comes in many forms and is just as easily cloaked in religion as it is cloaked in "enlightened atheism".

BS. There are more religionist who want to deny freedom to non religious people that there are non-religious who want to deny anyone's freedom.

Got a list of these folks who want to deny anyone there freedoms?
 
Either this is the most brilliant use of irony I've ever seen or the original poster is the dumbest on the board.


Whining about bigotry...........while being an outspoken and proud bigot.
 
Either this is the most brilliant use of irony I've ever seen or the original poster is the dumbest on the board.


Whining about bigotry...........while being an outspoken and proud bigot.

I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.
 
Either this is the most brilliant use of irony I've ever seen or the original poster is the dumbest on the board.


Whining about bigotry...........while being an outspoken and proud bigot.

I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.

Quite obviously it does matter to you, hence your flaming in the OP and childish remarks.

You do hate gays, that's obvious to anyone who can read, thus you're a bigot. Your interpretation of your religion telling you to be a bigot doesn't make you any less of one. That's not an excuse.

And here's a little common sense for you, straight people do it in the booty, and more than 50% of gays don't put it in the booty.
 
Either this is the most brilliant use of irony I've ever seen or the original poster is the dumbest on the board.


Whining about bigotry...........while being an outspoken and proud bigot.

I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.

Quite obviously it does matter to you, hence your flaming in the OP and childish remarks.

You do hate gays, that's obvious to anyone who can read, thus you're a bigot. Your interpretation of your religion telling you to be a bigot doesn't make you any less of one. That's not an excuse.

And here's a little common sense for you, straight people do it in the booty, and more than 50% of gays don't put it in the booty.


Hate is a word used by many, in a distorted way of course. There is no evidence that I hate gays, on the contrary, I wish that they would turn from their sinful lifestyles and become true children of God.
 
I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.

Quite obviously it does matter to you, hence your flaming in the OP and childish remarks.

You do hate gays, that's obvious to anyone who can read, thus you're a bigot. Your interpretation of your religion telling you to be a bigot doesn't make you any less of one. That's not an excuse.

And here's a little common sense for you, straight people do it in the booty, and more than 50% of gays don't put it in the booty.


Hate is a word used by many, in a distorted way of course. There is no evidence that I hate gays, on the contrary, I wish that they would turn from their sinful lifestyles and become true children of God.

No evidence..............other than the casual use of the word faggot in the very first post in the thread.

Here's what you bigots should do, make the very very obvious corrections you need to make to yourself in order to be good with Jesus before you spend time categorically judging millions of people you're completely and entirely ignorant about.
 
Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people, well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

Oh, those oppressed straight white Christian folks in the US just can't get a break! It's hard to be them.
 
Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people,

That's because sin doesn't exist and therefore you're accusing people of imaginary crimes such as blasphemy. How can you offend a God that doesn't exist?

The so called "sins" that people are committing are expressions of their Liberty.

People have the right to work on the Sabbath.
They have the right to make images of God.
They have the right to say his name in vain.
They have the right to follow a different religion.
They have the right to covet their neighbors assets.
They have the right to be gay.
They have the right to commit sodomy.
They have the right to have their own beliefs.

You are in opposition to people expressing their Liberty that's completely harmless?


well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

I don't want to silence you, but I will debate to the death trying demonstrate why your beliefs are nonsense.

Many (not all) religious people simply aren't thinking and instead appealing to an irrational belief system that stifles them from clear thought. Yes, there are religious people who are intelligent critical thinkers and there are non-religious who are unintelligent and not very critical thinkers. However, religion does tend to stifle peoples abilities to reason effectively.


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I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.


NO. How YOU choose to worship YOUR version of YOUR god is YOUR Constitutionally Protected. I would and have defended that.

But, YOU do NOT have the Right, or the Purpose of Right, in worshipping YOUR version of YOUR god to DENY RIGHTS TO OTHERS BASED ON THEIR SEXUAL IDENTITY!!!

YOU do NOT have The Right To Tell Others how to live. YOU do NOT have the Right To Demand YOUR Rights be respected, while at the same time using those Rights to deny RIGHTS YOU HAVE TO OTHERS.
 
Either this is the most brilliant use of irony I've ever seen or the original poster is the dumbest on the board.


Whining about bigotry...........while being an outspoken and proud bigot.

I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.

Your religion and your belief in it is not the issue, it's when you use that to try to change secular laws to force others to your belief....then we have a problem.

What goes on in your faith, stays in your faith....or at least should.
 
Opposition to Christian theocracy. It's the American way. Freedom of religion. If Michelle Bachman were President, we could kiss religious freedom goodbye.
 
I get it, since my religion forbids acceptance of homosexuality and all other traditions of man as sinful if it isn't written that makes me automatically a bigot, gotcha. What sodomites do doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I should have to vote to support their activism either.

Quite obviously it does matter to you, hence your flaming in the OP and childish remarks.

You do hate gays, that's obvious to anyone who can read, thus you're a bigot. Your interpretation of your religion telling you to be a bigot doesn't make you any less of one. That's not an excuse.

And here's a little common sense for you, straight people do it in the booty, and more than 50% of gays don't put it in the booty.


Hate is a word used by many, in a distorted way of course. There is no evidence that I hate gays, on the contrary, I wish that they would turn from their sinful lifestyles and become true children of God.

Nonsense. You wish gay people didn't exist. You'd like to turn America into a Christian theocracy.

You're obsessed by what perfect strangers do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

Here's some common sense for you. If you don't like gay sex, stop thinking about it.
 
Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people, well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

Oh, those oppressed straight white Christian folks in the US just can't get a break! It's hard to be them.
Bass isn't one of them, by the way.
 
Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people, well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

I wasn't aware that Christianity was being repressed in America.

The only times I've ever heard about people who identify themselves as 'religious' being criticized, not ostracized, is when those self-identified 'religious' people want to make their version of 'faith' and 'morality' part of the legal system e.g. putting the Ten Commandments in courthouses or claiming a Biblical mandate as to what goes on in private homes like the sexual behavior of consenting adults.
 
What's kind of nutty about some Christians who are anti-gay is that in order to whip up hatred against gay people they watch gay porno movies. Scott Lively and Martin Ssempa take this kind of hate show on the road. They are bullies and missionaries of hate.

I'm not a big fan of porn, myself. This kind of "Christian" would rather watch porn than get to know their monogamous gay neighbors in long term relationships.
 
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Seems like every time religious people affirm their belief in God and things Godly over things sinful that are accepted and embraced by man we get slammed as bigots and intolerant people, well what the heel do you want us to do, join you in your sinful lifestyles just to prove we're tolerant and not bigots? It seems the true bigots are these sexual and anti-religious liberals who bash those who choose God over sin. Just as faggots have the first amendment to "come out" and spread their bogus claims of homosexuality we religious people have the same rights in regards to our religion, stop trying to shut us up so you can have a solo voice.

Yes, there's a basis other than bigotry: it's the unfathomable perplexity that accompanies any rational reaction to people who insist that a thing which cannot be perceived by the senses, and for which no physical evidence of any kind exists, is not only REAL but created the universe and everything in it, cares how people behave, responds to prayers, gives a damn about something called "salavation,"and exerts both a positive and negative influence over people's lives. That's a belief which is indistinguishable from clinical delusion. And - sorry - but delusional people make me kinda nervous because ...they're crazy.
 
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Then I fear them also but where and when are they claiming that this nation was founded on religion?
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in one sense you are correct.. America was not founded on " religion"

but it was founded on Christian principles and christian faith in God and Jesus.

Hence we have several decisions by courts to that effect... the most famous case was the supreme cout hearing in 1892 of The Church of the Trinity vs the United states...

the whoe transcript can be found here

CHURCH OF THE HOLY TRINITY V. UNITED STATES, 143 U. S. 457 :: Volume 143 :: 1892 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez

some of the pertinent passages are as follows

In language more or less emphatic is the establishment of the Christian religion declared to be one of the purposes of the grant. The celebrated compact made by the pilgrims in the Mayflower, 1620, recites:

"Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid."

The fundamental orders of Connecticut, under which a provisional government was instituted in 1638-39, commence with this declaration:

"Forasmuch as it hath pleased the Allmighty God by the wise disposition of his diuyne pruidence


In the charter of privileges granted by William Penn to the province of Pennsylvania, in 1701, it is recited:

"Because no People can be truly happy, though under the greatest Enjoyment of Civil Liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Consciences, as to their Religious Profession and Worship; And Almighty God being the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits, and the Author as well as Object of all divine Knowledge, Faith, and Worship, who only doth enlighten the Minds, and persuade and convince the Understandings of People, I do hereby grant and declare,"

Coming nearer to the present time, the declaration of independence recognizes the presence of the Divine in human affairs in these words:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that thet are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. . . . We therefore the Representatives of the united states of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name and by Authority of the good these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare,"

etc.;

"And for the

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support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

If we examine the constitutions of the various states, we find in them a constant recognition of religious obligations. Every Constitution of every one of the forty-four states contains language which, either directly or by clear implication, recognizes a profound reverence for religion, and an assumption that its influence in all human affairs is essential to the wellbeing of the community. This recognition may be in the preamble, such as is found in the Constitution of Illinois, 1870:

"We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political, and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing upon our endeavors to secure and transmit the same unimpaired to succeeding generations,"

There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning. They affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation



now if you have issue with America being a Christian nation.. please take it up with the supreme court.
 

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