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[Trajan]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

ATF "gun-walking" began during the Bush Administration.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer became the first high-ranking official Tuesday to admit that he knew U.S. agents were letting thousands of guns sold in the U.S. fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

But Breuer says the controversial “gun walking” tactics he learned about in April 2010 weren't part of “Operation Fast and Furious,” but rather a previous investigation during the Bush administration called “Wide Receiver.”

Wide Receiver was an operation during the Bush administration similar to Fast and Furious under the Obama administration where illegally purchased weapons entered Mexico instead of being stop by ATF. Under Wide Receiver, which ran from 2006 to the end of 2007, the ATF recruited a gun dealer to sell some 450 assault rifles to known straw buyers and then watched as many of those guns crossed the Mexican border

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc&feature=player_embedded]FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying "To Hide Behind Executive Privilege" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[LoneLaugher]

You're having fun that there's a dead American at the end of Obama's Fast and Furious?

Yeah. That is EXACTLY what I said. You got me. Can't get anything past you.

Holder Obama and the Justice Department have all claimed no knowledge of Fast and Furious. In order to invoke Executive privilege something in the requested documents must involve communications between the President and his Executive officials on the matter. How exactly does Obama make that claim if the party line is NO ONE knew about the operation?

They all claimed no knowledge? Really? Are you sure that isn't a talking point?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

This had to have been a trick-question.

George Bush was WHITE!​

 

[skookerasbil]

I'll tell you what today is...............

and nobody cares about George Bush

 

[Trajan]

Yeah. That is EXACTLY what I said. You got me. Can't get anything past you.

Holder Obama and the Justice Department have all claimed no knowledge of Fast and Furious. In order to invoke Executive privilege something in the requested documents must involve communications between the President and his Executive officials on the matter. How exactly does Obama make that claim if the party line is NO ONE knew about the operation?

They all claimed no knowledge? Really? Are you sure that isn't a talking point?

*shrugs*

In the United States government, executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government. The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]

a wiki definition...

so there was WH involvement here?

 

[Sokar]

*whew*

I was worried this was going to be another Jerry Sandusky thread.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Holder Obama and the Justice Department have all claimed no knowledge of Fast and Furious. In order to invoke Executive privilege something in the requested documents must involve communications between the President and his Executive officials on the matter. How exactly does Obama make that claim if the party line is NO ONE knew about the operation?

They all claimed no knowledge? Really? Are you sure that isn't a talking point?

*shrugs*

In the United States government, executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government. The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]

a wiki definition...

so there was WH involvement here?

The entire argument for using Executive Power is to protect the Executive and its decision and private meetings from Over zealous Congressional inquiry. So Obama must be admitting there are proceedings involving himself and the Justice Department in regards to Fast and Furious.

 

[salem.hills]

nd to think just a few months before Operation Fast and Furious was put into high gear, Hillary said this:

"Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.

"I feel very strongly we have a co-responsibility."

Really Mrs. Clinton? Have you apologized to the family of the dead Border Guard to date? Has anyone at the DOJ apologized for his death?.........tinydancer. Good post lol yes Holder was embarrassed into apologizing to the Terry family. I don't think it was well received since it was later then it should of been.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's the old "they all do it" smear.
No, Rocksinhead. They don't all do it. Bush didnt. The adults pulled the plug on the op. Just like the adults wouldn't approve loans to Solyndra.
Then Obama took office.

The same old liars are at it again. It was dumb for the Obama admin, and it was dumb for the Bush admin.



2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes



ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.[23]
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]
At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It's the old "they all do it" smear.
No, Rocksinhead. They don't all do it. Bush didnt. The adults pulled the plug on the op. Just like the adults wouldn't approve loans to Solyndra.
Then Obama took office.

The same old liars are at it again. It was dumb for the Obama admin, and it was dumb for the Bush admin.



2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes



ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.[23]
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]
At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]

You just proved my points. The two operations were not the same. The first allowed only 450 guns to walk and was halted when Mexico confirmed they could not track the weapons. Fast and Furious never even informed the Mexicans and involved over 2000 guns all lost. The first operation was a failure and was conducted by the ATF with out supervision from the Justice Department but was halted when it failed. The second clearly involved the Justice Department as evidenced by their repeated attempts to hide evidence and deny knowledge even when proven by E- mails.

The second operation had nothing to do with Bush, His Justice department appointees or his Administration. All things you claim are true. Your own link disproves it. Further we ALL know about Wide Receiver because no one at Justice or the ATF tried to hide it. We know for a fact someone actively hide information on Fast and Furious. We know that all involved in Fast and Furious at the command stage have been promoted not punished and all moved to DC to keep them from investigators out of the Congress. Further we know that whistle blowers on Fast and Furious WERE punished illegally by the Justice Department.

 

[Peach]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

ATF "gun-walking" began during the Bush Administration.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer became the first high-ranking official Tuesday to admit that he knew U.S. agents were letting thousands of guns sold in the U.S. fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

But Breuer says the controversial “gun walking” tactics he learned about in April 2010 weren't part of “Operation Fast and Furious,” but rather a previous investigation during the Bush administration called “Wide Receiver.”

Wide Receiver was an operation during the Bush administration similar to Fast and Furious under the Obama administration where illegally purchased weapons entered Mexico instead of being stop by ATF. Under Wide Receiver, which ran from 2006 to the end of 2007, the ATF recruited a gun dealer to sell some 450 assault rifles to known straw buyers and then watched as many of those guns crossed the Mexican border

Good question, one wrote because the Mexican government withdrew its support! Anything to attack Obama; it appears there is no plan for economic improvement, so contempt is the current topic of distraction. Obama's birth on Io is out of date.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's the old "they all do it" smear.
No, Rocksinhead. They don't all do it. Bush didnt. The adults pulled the plug on the op. Just like the adults wouldn't approve loans to Solyndra.
Then Obama took office.

The same old liars are at it again. It was dumb for the Obama admin, and it was dumb for the Bush admin.



2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes



ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.[23]
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]
At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]

and the Bush administration saw that gun runner was not working so they stopped it in 2007 so do you have a point?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

ATF "gun-walking" began during the Bush Administration.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer became the first high-ranking official Tuesday to admit that he knew U.S. agents were letting thousands of guns sold in the U.S. fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

But Breuer says the controversial “gun walking” tactics he learned about in April 2010 weren't part of “Operation Fast and Furious,” but rather a previous investigation during the Bush administration called “Wide Receiver.”

Wide Receiver was an operation during the Bush administration similar to Fast and Furious under the Obama administration where illegally purchased weapons entered Mexico instead of being stop by ATF. Under Wide Receiver, which ran from 2006 to the end of 2007, the ATF recruited a gun dealer to sell some 450 assault rifles to known straw buyers and then watched as many of those guns crossed the Mexican border

Good question, one wrote because the Mexican government withdrew its support! Anything to attack Obama; it appears there is no plan for economic improvement, so contempt is the current topic of distraction. Obama's birth on Io is out of date.

Poor fucking obama maybe he shouldn't attack the constitution so the constitution might leave him alone

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

ATF "gun-walking" began during the Bush Administration.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer became the first high-ranking official Tuesday to admit that he knew U.S. agents were letting thousands of guns sold in the U.S. fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

But Breuer says the controversial “gun walking” tactics he learned about in April 2010 weren't part of “Operation Fast and Furious,” but rather a previous investigation during the Bush administration called “Wide Receiver.”

Wide Receiver was an operation during the Bush administration similar to Fast and Furious under the Obama administration where illegally purchased weapons entered Mexico instead of being stop by ATF. Under Wide Receiver, which ran from 2006 to the end of 2007, the ATF recruited a gun dealer to sell some 450 assault rifles to known straw buyers and then watched as many of those guns crossed the Mexican border

Good question, one wrote because the Mexican government withdrew its support! Anything to attack Obama; it appears there is no plan for economic improvement, so contempt is the current topic of distraction. Obama's birth on Io is out of date.

The very first sentence is a lie, it says thousands of guns when only 450 were lost. All lost by Mexican officials unable to track them in Mexico. Fast and Furious made no effort to even involve Mexican officials. OUR ATF with Justice approval allowed over 2000 weapons to travel into Mexico with out even a fall back plan on how to track recover or remove the weapons from criminals hands.

Get it yet? In Wide Receiver the PLAN was to track them to the source in Mexico with the help of Mexican officials. The ultimate plan was to recover the weapons and make arrests. In Fast and Furious the ATF allowed over 2000 guns to go to Mexico with out a plan to track them, recover them or arrest the Sources. They did not even follow the weapons n the States.

One was open and above board with a clear paper trail on what the mission was how it was conducted and why it was stopped. The second was secretive, if we are to believe Holder even from the Justice Department, yet Holder PUNISHED the whistle blowers that disclosed the secret program. Fast and Furious made no effort AT ALL to find the source. Hell they did not even try to find the points or people in the US involved. And the two they did arrest were working for another Government Agency and believed the gun running was sanctioned for their help.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Because Obama’s a democrat.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Because Obama’s a democrat.

Sarg can explain it to your partisan ass.

The very first sentence is a lie, it says thousands of guns when only 450 were lost. All lost by Mexican officials unable to track them in Mexico. Fast and Furious made no effort to even involve Mexican officials. OUR ATF with Justice approval allowed over 2000 weapons to travel into Mexico with out even a fall back plan on how to track recover or remove the weapons from criminals hands.

Get it yet? In Wide Receiver the PLAN was to track them to the source in Mexico with the help of Mexican officials. The ultimate plan was to recover the weapons and make arrests. In Fast and Furious the ATF allowed over 2000 guns to go to Mexico with out a plan to track them, recover them or arrest the Sources. They did not even follow the weapons n the States.

One was open and above board with a clear paper trail on what the mission was how it was conducted and why it was stopped. The second was secretive, if we are to believe Holder even from the Justice Department, yet Holder PUNISHED the whistle blowers that disclosed the secret program. Fast and Furious made no effort AT ALL to find the source. Hell they did not even try to find the points or people in the US involved. And the two they did arrest were working for another Government Agency and believed the gun running was sanctioned for their help.

Or even better

You just proved my points. The two operations were not the same. The first allowed only 450 guns to walk and was halted when Mexico confirmed they could not track the weapons. Fast and Furious never even informed the Mexicans and involved over 2000 guns all lost. The first operation was a failure and was conducted by the ATF with out supervision from the Justice Department but was halted when it failed. The second clearly involved the Justice Department as evidenced by their repeated attempts to hide evidence and deny knowledge even when proven by E- mails.

The second operation had nothing to do with Bush, His Justice department appointees or his Administration. All things you claim are true. Your own link disproves it. Further we ALL know about Wide Receiver because no one at Justice or the ATF tried to hide it. We know for a fact someone actively hide information on Fast and Furious. We know that all involved in Fast and Furious at the command stage have been promoted not punished and all moved to DC to keep them from investigators out of the Congress. Further we know that whistle blowers on Fast and Furious WERE punished illegally by the Justice Department.

 

[Google]

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years?

Why was ATF Gun Walking OK during the Bush years but bad during the Obama years? - Yahoo! Answers

ATF "gun-walking" began during the Bush Administration.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer became the first high-ranking official Tuesday to admit that he knew U.S. agents were letting thousands of guns sold in the U.S. fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

But Breuer says the controversial “gun walking” tactics he learned about in April 2010 weren't part of “Operation Fast and Furious,” but rather a previous investigation during the Bush administration called “Wide Receiver.”

Wide Receiver was an operation during the Bush administration similar to Fast and Furious under the Obama administration where illegally purchased weapons entered Mexico instead of being stop by ATF. Under Wide Receiver, which ran from 2006 to the end of 2007, the ATF recruited a gun dealer to sell some 450 assault rifles to known straw buyers and then watched as many of those guns crossed the Mexican border

There are key differences between the two programs; the most significant being that Mexican law enforcement worked in unison with ATF and Border Patrol in an sincere attempt at tracking and recovering weapons that made it into Mexico. When an estimated 300 weapons were not recovered the operation was shut down.

Another difference is that there were indictments of Bush era ATF agents involved in Wide Receiver by Obama's Justice Dept.

SO, after indicting people that orchestrated Wide Receiver the Justice Dept decided to double down and permit thousands of assault weapons to be sold illegally and let them be smuggled into Mexico, all the while Mexican officials were purposely withheld any information about Fast and Furious.

Also, there have been zero indictments for Fast and Furious. Not one person has been held responsible.

 

[whitehall]

The ATF has been out of control through the last four administrations and longer. Should we "blame Bush" and forget about it or deal with the Border Patrol Officer who was killed on Obama's watch?

 

[Google]

The ATF has been out of control through the last four administrations and longer. Should we "blame Bush" and forget about it or deal with the Border Patrol Officer who was killed on Obama's watch?

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a damn convenience store not a federal law enforcement agency.

 

[hortysir]

open wide reciever

Is that the title of your gay prostitution ad?