Open season on our elections

[Dale Smith]

Trump admits he'd take info from foreign countries to help him win elections Now, did he take help, the dirt, from Russia ?? No morals No ethics The man is a walking slime bag Defends son for not calling fbi on russian meeting

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments - CNNPolitics

The biggest problem caused by foreign countries influencing elections is not direct assistance to candidates but rather planting information in social media, bulletin boards like this one, blogs, and tips to reporters, radio call ins and tips to political writers by people working for other countries and anti-US factions within the US. Today, you do not need a real story backed up by facts to effect elections, you just need a story to go viral. Social media will twist it as needed. I would be surprised if we didn't have agents posting on this board that are working for foreign countries. There are many posts that are misrepresentations of a story that appears in media and often that story is a total fabrication and when it's not, the poster twists it to make it so.

There is also another aspic to the problem. Some countries such as Russia want to spread disinformation to the public such that the public loses faith in the media as well as public officials. So they just don't know what to believe or who to believe.

So I guess you against free speech.

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

 

[Camp]

Trump admits he'd take info from foreign countries to help him win elections Now, did he take help, the dirt, from Russia ?? No morals No ethics The man is a walking slime bag Defends son for not calling fbi on russian meeting

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments - CNNPolitics

The biggest problem caused by foreign countries influencing elections is not direct assistance to candidates but rather planting information in social media, bulletin boards like this one, blogs, and tips to reporters, radio call ins and tips to political writers by people working for other countries and anti-US factions within the US. Today, you do not need a real story backed up by facts to effect elections, you just need a story to go viral. Social media will twist it as needed. I would be surprised if we didn't have agents posting on this board that are working for foreign countries. There are many posts that are misrepresentations of a story that appears in media and often that story is a total fabrication and when it's not, the poster twists it to make it so.

There is also another aspic to the problem. Some countries such as Russia want to spread disinformation to the public such that the public loses faith in the media as well as public officials. So they just don't know what to believe or who to believe.

So I guess you against free speech.

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump admits he'd take info from foreign countries to help him win elections Now, did he take help, the dirt, from Russia ?? No morals No ethics The man is a walking slime bag Defends son for not calling fbi on russian meeting

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments - CNNPolitics

The biggest problem caused by foreign countries influencing elections is not direct assistance to candidates but rather planting information in social media, bulletin boards like this one, blogs, and tips to reporters, radio call ins and tips to political writers by people working for other countries and anti-US factions within the US. Today, you do not need a real story backed up by facts to effect elections, you just need a story to go viral. Social media will twist it as needed. I would be surprised if we didn't have agents posting on this board that are working for foreign countries. There are many posts that are misrepresentations of a story that appears in media and often that story is a total fabrication and when it's not, the poster twists it to make it so.

There is also another aspic to the problem. Some countries such as Russia want to spread disinformation to the public such that the public loses faith in the media as well as public officials. So they just don't know what to believe or who to believe.

So I guess you against free speech.

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

That is why youtube, twitter and Facebook are silencing voices of anyone that supports Trump or is against illegal immigration policies of states that provide sanctuary cities? How is that a public danger?

 

[Camp]

The biggest problem caused by foreign countries influencing elections is not direct assistance to candidates but rather planting information in social media, bulletin boards like this one, blogs, and tips to reporters, radio call ins and tips to political writers by people working for other countries and anti-US factions within the US. Today, you do not need a real story backed up by facts to effect elections, you just need a story to go viral. Social media will twist it as needed. I would be surprised if we didn't have agents posting on this board that are working for foreign countries. There are many posts that are misrepresentations of a story that appears in media and often that story is a total fabrication and when it's not, the poster twists it to make it so.

There is also another aspic to the problem. Some countries such as Russia want to spread disinformation to the public such that the public loses faith in the media as well as public officials. So they just don't know what to believe or who to believe.

So I guess you against free speech.

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

That is why youtube, twitter and Facebook are silencing voices of anyone that supports Trump or is against illegal immigration policies of states that provide sanctuary cities? How is that a public danger?

Those are business decisions and businesses protecting themselves from potential lawsuits as well as anger from a majority clientele.

 

[Dale Smith]

So I guess you against free speech.

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

That is why youtube, twitter and Facebook are silencing voices of anyone that supports Trump or is against illegal immigration policies of states that provide sanctuary cities? How is that a public danger?

Those are business decisions and businesses protecting themselves from potential lawsuits as well as anger from a majority clientele.

Actually, these sites claim to be public forums. How simply offering up a different point of view could possibly violate these sites TOS is an absolute mystery. Let's say the shoe was on the other foot, would you be fine and accepting of that as well?

 

[Camp]

Screaming fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. Following that logic and restriction, spreading dangerous misinformation may be similar to screaming fire in the crowded theater when the misinformation causes danger for the public.

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

That is why youtube, twitter and Facebook are silencing voices of anyone that supports Trump or is against illegal immigration policies of states that provide sanctuary cities? How is that a public danger?

Those are business decisions and businesses protecting themselves from potential lawsuits as well as anger from a majority clientele.

Actually, these sites claim to be public forums. How simply offering up a different point of view could possibly violate these sites TOS is an absolute mystery. Let's say the shoe was on the other foot, would you be fine and accepting of that as well?

All of those privately financed and owned social networks platforms are under pressure from clientele who are calling for regulation and new platforms to switch to. So, while some may see their actions as a conspiracy by liberals or whatever political agenda, others see their actions as business decisions. Kind of like relieving the pressure before it gets more pronounced and worse. Satisfy the rebels and angry before things go out of control.

 

[edward37]

Trump admits he'd take info from foreign countries to help him win elections Now, did he take help, the dirt, from Russia ?? No morals No ethics The man is a walking slime bag Defends son for not calling fbi on russian meeting

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments - CNNPolitics

This isn’t illegal

accepting contributions and help from foreign govt's to help in elections isn't illegal?

 

[Dale Smith]

So? Whom is the arbiter of truth, Camp??

Nothing to do with truth. It's about whether the speech creates a public danger.

That is why youtube, twitter and Facebook are silencing voices of anyone that supports Trump or is against illegal immigration policies of states that provide sanctuary cities? How is that a public danger?

Those are business decisions and businesses protecting themselves from potential lawsuits as well as anger from a majority clientele.

Actually, these sites claim to be public forums. How simply offering up a different point of view could possibly violate these sites TOS is an absolute mystery. Let's say the shoe was on the other foot, would you be fine and accepting of that as well?

All of those privately financed and owned social networks platforms are under pressure from clientele who are calling for regulation and new platforms to switch to. So, while some may see their actions as a conspiracy by liberals or whatever political agenda, others see their actions as business decisions. Kind of like relieving the pressure before it gets more pronounced and worse. Satisfy the rebels and angry before things go out of control.

The problem is that they have not violated any terms of service rules at all. No profanity, no threatening content....simply an opinion from a conservative point of view. I would be just as opposed to leftists being shut down from expressing their views. Once we go down this slippery slope of accepting censorship, it's only a matter of time before everyone is subjected to being silenced if it goes against the "state"....kinda like China does with their social media scores. Are you advocating that type of system here?

 

[Flopper]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

 

[Dale Smith]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

But yet foreign interests donated to Hillary's foundation and to Super Pacs to fund her campaign. She had 1.14 Billion dollars to spend versus the 712 million dollars that Trump had. Her mega donors were hedge fund managers. She allowed donations from lobbyists some of which were registered as representing foreign governments to raise money as well. The Hildebeast hung herself and no Russian collusion delusion caused her to lose.

 

[Dana7360]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.

So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.

 

[Dale Smith]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.

So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.

Are you claiming that the Hildebeast did not benefit from campaign contributions from foreign countries like Saudi Arabia????

 

[Flopper]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

But yet foreign interests donated to Hillary's foundation and to Super Pacs to fund her campaign. She had 1.14 Billion dollars to spend versus the 712 million dollars that Trump had. Her mega donors were hedge fund managers. She allowed donations from lobbyists some of which were registered as representing foreign governments to raise money as well. The Hildebeast hung herself and no Russian collusion delusion caused her to lose.

Foreign interest may donate to the Clinton Foundation. However it is illegal for a tax sheltered charity to donate to her campaign. It's perfectly legal for foreign sources to donate to a Super Pacs because they are not part of the campaign.

 

[Lakhota]

Trump admits he'd take info from foreign countries to help him win elections Now, did he take help, the dirt, from Russia ?? No morals No ethics The man is a walking slime bag Defends son for not calling fbi on russian meeting

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments - CNNPolitics

It was hilarious to hear Trump repeatedly say the word "oppo" like it was his new word for the day. The rest of his treasonous shit was not hilarious.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wonder why this got anyone upset? Who wouldn't want to know if Americans running for office is corrupt, rapist, killers?



Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI


Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI



Many Democrats reacted with outrage. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., a 2020 candidate for president, tweeted in response: "It's time for Congress to begin impeachment hearings."


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[Toronado3800]

Wonder why this got anyone upset? Who wouldn't want to know if Americans running for office is corrupt, rapist, killers?



Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI


Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI



Many Democrats reacted with outrage. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., a 2020 candidate for president, tweeted in response: "It's time for Congress to begin impeachment hearings."


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I dunno if this motivates me that much. It may be illegal for him to have the FBI do campaign work for the let's Trump America Again campaign anyways.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wonder why this got anyone upset? Who wouldn't want to know if Americans running for office is corrupt, rapist, killers?



Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI


Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI



Many Democrats reacted with outrage. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., a 2020 candidate for president, tweeted in response: "It's time for Congress to begin impeachment hearings."


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I dunno if this motivates me that much. It may be illegal for him to have the FBI do campaign work for the let's Trump America Again campaign anyways.

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That's what you got out of it...


Interesting...


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[Dale Smith]

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.

Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is

The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.

trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.

The man belongs in prison not our White House.

That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.

But yet foreign interests donated to Hillary's foundation and to Super Pacs to fund her campaign. She had 1.14 Billion dollars to spend versus the 712 million dollars that Trump had. Her mega donors were hedge fund managers. She allowed donations from lobbyists some of which were registered as representing foreign governments to raise money as well. The Hildebeast hung herself and no Russian collusion delusion caused her to lose.

Foreign interest may donate to the Clinton Foundation. However it is illegal for a tax sheltered charity to donate to her campaign. It's perfectly legal for foreign sources to donate to a Super Pacs because they are not part of the campaign.

Spare me, it's simply an "end run" around campaign laws because that money ends up being used for said candidate in the long run. Whom are you trying to fool?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Do not care an iota.

 

[Dana7360]

Wonder why this got anyone upset? Who wouldn't want to know if Americans running for office is corrupt, rapist, killers?



Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI


Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI



Many Democrats reacted with outrage. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., a 2020 candidate for president, tweeted in response: "It's time for Congress to begin impeachment hearings."


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It's against the law.

That's why people are so upset about it. Add to that real Americans don't want any foreign influence on our elections.

Real Americans don't break the law and don't use foreign nations to win elections.