Open Borders

[Zoom-boing]

I don't care that people like sky dancer see them as victims, the truth is they are victimizing americans and we are losing to them.Even legal hispanics are losing their jobs as well as their id's to illegal immigrants. This is WRONG! The only way to fix this is to enforce our laws, and protect our borders.

Skyspinner -- if we did away with borders, hows that play out for terrorists coming in?

 

[dilloduck]

No, surely I don't. I know in your mind immigrants stay in dead end jobs forever, but it just isn't true.

I can't wait for them to get here with their burros laden with gold.

 

[sky dancer]

It might be worth trying, certainly what we do now doesn't seem to work.

It would still be a good idea to let people that want to become citizens become citizens because that is the only way you win their loyalty.

Exactly. What we are doing now doesn't work.

 

[catzmeow]

Exactly. What we are doing now doesn't work.

By all means. Let's throw caution to the wind and madly seize an opportunity to fuck up in new and interesting ways.

You betcha. (wink)

 

[sky dancer]

I like this writers viewpoint....more at link

"Immigration restrictions are based on the assumption that where you happen to be born is significant. If choice had been involved, then maybe differential treatment would be justified. However, it is the central tenet of responsibility that you are not responsible for that which you could not have made otherwise. Place of birth is affected by decisions made before you exist, something you cannot possibly be held responsible for. From my perspective, my birth place is simply a lottery, and as I am not responsible for it then it has no normative value and cannot be used to justify discrimination. We have accepted this with sex and skin colour, why not with birthplace? British citizens do not deserve their privileged (wealth-wise of course) place in British society any more than non-Brits."
No Borders, 20/02/08, Dissident Warwick

 

[catzmeow]

Instead of posting other people's thoughts, why not respond to the questions people have already asked you?

 

[Againsheila]

Originally Posted by sky dancer
We had a bracero program after World War II to take care of a shortage of farm workers. And when that program was in effect, illegal immigration from Mexico was reduced to a trickle.

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Then why, after WWII, did we have "operation wetback" to send all the illegals home?

 

[Ravi]

I can't wait for them to get here with their burros laden with gold.

I guess I didn't make myself clear. Legally employed people pay income tax, social security tax, and medicare tax.

 

[Againsheila]

I guess I didn't make myself clear. Legally employed people pay income tax, social security tax, and medicare tax.

And still ship their money OUT of this country, back to their homes. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $billions of money out of our economy every year.

 

[sky dancer]

Originally Posted by sky dancer
We had a bracero program after World War II to take care of a shortage of farm workers. And when that program was in effect, illegal immigration from Mexico was reduced to a trickle.

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Then why, after WWII, did we have "operation wetback" to send all the illegals home?

Immigration policy continually changes and is historically racist.
Why don't you tell me why you think the policy changed. Have you studied immigration policy since it's inception?

 

[Againsheila]

Immigration policy continually changes and is historically racist.
Why don't you tell me why you think the policy changed. Have you studied immigrationi policy since it's inception?

In other words, you lied, got caught lying, and now want to blame me.

Yes, immigration policy is racist. Today it is harder for a person from Europe to get here than someone from an Hispanic country. That's why the majority of our legal immigrants are hispanic. Teddy Kennedy changed the immigration laws in the 60's to encourage immigration from 3rd world nations and almost completely ban immigration from 1st world nations.

 

[Shogun]

Is it a real shocker than at illegal alien wants the US to change OUR immigration policy? We AMERICANS are not obligated to you regardless of how many accusations of racism your broken engrish puts in your mouth. America is not some disposable social bandage for you to use at your own discretion. You do not have a right to be here. Indeed, WE THE PEOPLE have the right to decide who gets to enter our property. And, until we give you a green light you are nothing more than a burglar trying to rationalize theft.

 

[Ravi]

And still ship their money OUT of this country, back to their homes. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $billions of money out of our economy every year.

So what? They'll do that either way. But their kids won't. Because they'll be second generation and totally American. And they don't ship it all out, just a small portion.

 

[dilloduck]

So what? They'll do that either way. But their kids won't. Because they'll be second generation and totally American.

Are they gonna bring a burro laden with gold for each kid they have while they are here ?

 

[sky dancer]

Here is an article which fully documents racist and exclusionary US Immigration policy from its inception in 1790 to the present.
History of Migration and Immigration Laws in the United States

 

[sky dancer]

Sorry--

I didn't realize how long that article actually is.

Here is another:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/70xx/doc7051/02-28-Immigration.pdf

 

[del]

please cut your post down to a paragraph or two with the link
we respect copyright laws
thank you

 

[Ravi]

Are they gonna bring a burro laden with gold for each kid they have while they are here ?

I've given up trying to figure out what you are trying to say here.

 

[sky dancer]

Is it a real shocker than at illegal alien wants the US to change OUR immigration policy? We AMERICANS are not obligated to you regardless of how many accusations of racism your broken engrish puts in your mouth. America is not some disposable social bandage for you to use at your own discretion. You do not have a right to be here. Indeed, WE THE PEOPLE have the right to decide who gets to enter our property. And, until we give you a green light you are nothing more than a burglar trying to rationalize theft.

Like it or not, I vote. Do illegal immigrants or foreign nationals have voting rights in the US?

 

[dilloduck]

I've given up trying to figure out what you are trying to say here.

Good Idea. Might wanna just stop trying to convince me that illegal alliens represent some kind of "cash infusion" that the US desperately needs too.