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[forkup]

I would guess that presenting the necessary paperwork to provide prove of citizenship was deemed an undue hassle for people, relative to people who are in fact not allowed to vote but actually are known to register. The argument is, if putting up extra legal requirements to be able to vote is in proportion to the perceived threat. This judge said no.

Like how .01% of gun owners are criminals? That sorta thing?
Lets be honest, considering the long list of accepted ids, no one is getting "hassled"

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

 

[BULLDOG]

I would guess that presenting the necessary paperwork to provide prove of citizenship was deemed an undue hassle for people, relative to people who are in fact not allowed to vote but actually are known to register. The argument is, if putting up extra legal requirements to be able to vote is in proportion to the perceived threat. This judge said no.

Like how .01% of gun owners are criminals? That sorta thing?
Lets be honest, considering the long list of accepted ids, no one is getting "hassled"

The judge seems to disagree with you.

They disagreed with me about japanese internment as well.

That was before my time, but that was a disgusting mark in American history. I wonder why Trump is doing something so similar to that now.

The big difference, and its YUGE is, they arent american citizens

Yet they are following American law by applying for assylum.

 

[TNHarley]

Like how .01% of gun owners are criminals? That sorta thing?
Lets be honest, considering the long list of accepted ids, no one is getting "hassled"

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

 

[TNHarley]

Like how .01% of gun owners are criminals? That sorta thing?
Lets be honest, considering the long list of accepted ids, no one is getting "hassled"

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

 

[BULLDOG]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Right wingers are dumb enough to think they can convince sane people that their efforts to disenfranchize voters is no big deal.

 

[TNHarley]

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Right wingers are dumb enough to think they can convince sane people that their efforts to disenfranchize voters is no big deal.

Its not disenfranchising anyone.

 

[BULLDOG]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

You should send that link to the judge. I'll bet that will change his mind, Especially if you send a MAGA hat with it

 

[Siete]

How does it impact legit voters?

no voter fraud impacts no one, ya dummie.

yup, they really are that stupid ...

 

[Timmy]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Are you saying you want to put pointless hurdles that prevent people from using their voting rights ?

Shit, you cry over gun registration because of some impossible gun confiscation scenario.

 

[bullwinkle]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

I'll say it again,TN. We are talking about CITIZENSHIP ID. Voter ID is no problem with me. I need ID to cash a check, make a charge, all kinds of everyday business. I even need one if I see a new doctor or enter a hospital. So I don't mind showing ID to vote. But proving citizenship seems like a much tougher nut to crack. And a whole lot closer to the Big Brother we all do NOT want.

 

[BULLDOG]

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Right wingers are dumb enough to think they can convince sane people that their efforts to disenfranchize voters is no big deal.

Its not disenfranchising anyone.

Don't tell me. I can't do anything about it. Tell the courts. I'm surprised they didn't contact you personally to get your opinion before they ruled, seeing how you know so much more than them.

 

[TNHarley]

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Are you saying you want to put pointless hurdles that prevent people from using their voting rights ?

Shit, you cry over gun registration because of some impossible gun confiscation scenario.

Hurdles? lol

 

[Timmy]

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

The courts aren’t stupid . They can see the attempts of voter suppression.

For example . Gramps shows a an expired drivers license and is turned away . Why ??? The guy doesn’t drive cause he’s old . Still has his picture on the id .

I’ll tell you why . Old man wh an expired drivers lic is more likely to be. Democrat .

So, you are saying democrats are too dumb or lazy to renew a picture id? Or send in for a FREE one?

Right wingers are dumb enough to think they can convince sane people that their efforts to disenfranchize voters is no big deal.

Its not disenfranchising anyone.

Sure it does . You make this big assumption that everyone lives in a city , where they were born, and the rmv is down the block from them.

And what is the point by the way . If I can use X to get a fancy voter ID, why isn’t X acceptable at the polling place ?

 

[Timmy]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

If my drivers license expired last week, I can’t vote . Why?

 

[forkup]

In the case of gun ownership and me accepting the .01 number I could still claim that .01 percent of the populace is a significant enough number to kill enough people to be considered a serious public safety issue.
-Just producing an ID isn't enough, several states for instance allow illegal immigrants to get one even. I'm guessing and this is the word guessing since I didn't read the ruling that in some cases a person probably needs a birth certificate and I know from experience that those can take a while to produce if you get them across state lines.

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

Citizenship Evidence
The new Kansas voting law—
it's just that easy.
I'm gonna take a guess, but I'm guessing that those are the accepted voter ID AFTER the judge ruled against Kobach, Proof of Citizenship • S.A.F.E. Act • Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach
This sites how the ruling changed what forms you are required to have.

 

[TNHarley]

Indeed it is.
If you're a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
Driver's License, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Handgun License, U.S. Passport, Government Employee ID, U.S. Military ID, Kansas College ID, Government Public Assistance ID or Indian Tribe ID.
Got voter ID?
Wanna know the best part? If you dont have an id, you can get one FREE.

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

Citizenship Evidence
The new Kansas voting law—
it's just that easy.
I'm gonna take a guess, but I'm guessing that those are the accepted voter ID AFTER the judge ruled against Kobach, Proof of Citizenship • S.A.F.E. Act • Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach
This sites how the ruling changed what forms you are required to have.

Thanks for that!

 

[forkup]

Harley, this isn't about voter ID. It is about Citizenship ID! A birth Certificate is the only way I know to prove citizenship. I'm betting that wouldn't be good enough either, since they are plenty easy to fake. So if a BC is iffy, a lot of legit voters could be denied in the shuffle out of sheer suspicions of fakery. I see no other choice for the judge.

There are many ids they could have used when they went to vote. I posted a list a few posts back.

Where did you get that list? This is what I found under approved citizenship evidence.Citizenship Evidence
Seems to be a harder to obtain requirement.

I posted the link. Its the states website
Here it is again
Got voter ID?

Citizenship Evidence
The new Kansas voting law—
it's just that easy.
I'm gonna take a guess, but I'm guessing that those are the accepted voter ID AFTER the judge ruled against Kobach, Proof of Citizenship • S.A.F.E. Act • Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach
This sites how the ruling changed what forms you are required to have.

Thanks for that!

No problem, nice change to be able to have an intellectually honest conversation. They are rare and seem to be getting rarer on this board by the day.