One swiftboat veteran officially discredited

Kathianne said:
Good post Bonnie! For some reason, Travis and I descend into repetition. :tng: I'm sure it will end with the election! :read: (Fine Print: BUSH WINS!!!!)


God Willing!!!!!!!!!
 
tpahl said:
I know that the bush Campaign and Bush himself are not addressing this whole fiasco. I am not criticizing Bush or his campaign. I am criticizing the media and the millions of Bush supporters that continue to harp on this issue at the expense of actual policy issues.

I am also aware that Kerry is spending alot of money to try and dispute the swift boat ads. This coincindes with my theory that Kerry is happy that people seem so obsessed with this issue rather than his senate voting record and his actual plans for the future. The more time spend debating who is right about what he did or did not do is less time spent criticizing the issues where Kerry is very weak and he knows it. He is basically choosing to accept the lesser of two different negatives to his candidacy. Many republicans and most of the media seem to be helping him along.

Travis

I suppose that is one way to look at it, as I wouldn't put anything past Kerry or the media, but either which way you approach it's not good for Kerry, and at this point It sure doesn't matter a bit which thing brings him down or possibly both which I suspect, as long as I don't have to spend the next four years worrying about him leading this country down the socialistic, pandering, deceitful path...
 
Bonnie said:
I suppose that is one way to look at it, as I wouldn't put anything past Kerry or the media, but either which way you approach it's not good for Kerry, and at this point It sure doesn't matter a bit which thing brings him down or possibly both which I suspect, as long as I don't have to spend the next four years worrying about him leading this country down the socialistic, pandering, deceitful path...

Kerry has already demonstrated he is willing exaggerate the truth to get elected. He can't refute the Swiftboat Vets so he has to attack Bush.
 
Bonnie said:
I suppose that is one way to look at it, as I wouldn't put anything past Kerry or the media, but either which way you approach it's not good for Kerry

Considering most people already think he is not trustworthy since he is a career politician, this lying about vietnam is not very harmful at all. Beleive me, he is loving it!
 
I only realized today that Rasmussen was on Kerry's boat. I assumed he was on the boat that hit a mine. Kerry ran away. This was confirmed (inadvertently) by Michael Dobbs in the WashPo. Did Kerry run AFTER Rasmussen was knocked off the boat and come back only when he realized they weren't under fire? Or was Rasmussen knocked off after Kerry returned to the scene? Does anyone know this?
 
britinusa said:
I only realized today that Rasmussen was on Kerry's boat. I assumed he was on the boat that hit a mine. Kerry ran away. This was confirmed (inadvertently) by Michael Dobbs in the WashPo. Did Kerry run AFTER Rasmussen was knocked off the boat and come back only when he realized they weren't under fire? Or was Rasmussen knocked off after Kerry returned to the scene? Does anyone know this?

According to all accounts I have read, Rassman fell out of a boat as a result of the explosion from a command detonated mine. That's about the only thing most accounts agree upon. Some newspapers write that there was heavy enemy fire from both banks. Other accounts, from people who were actually there, state that other than the initial explosion, there was no further enemy action.

But for an indicator of kerry's honesty and the Democratic party's stage management techniques, here's an interesting tidbit:

"The Kerry Campaign isn't stupid. After being flown to Iowa, Rassman just happened to be standing smack in the middle of a press gaggle when Kerry "spotted" him and the two hugged.

It was about as moving as a slow-motion scene from a '70s movie, except everyone knew about it days ahead of time.

"It was a wonderful, moving moment," says a Kerry volunteer. "We were briefed on it before the event, and told to steer cameras to a certain area. Reporters knew about it in advance, and so did Senator Kerry. We don't leave anything like this to chance."

Kerry's "surprise" lasted well into the day.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/22/114343.shtml
 
According to the eye-witnesses, Rass was on Kerry's boat. When the ONE boat (not Kerry's) was hit by a mine, Kerry gunned the boat to get out of what he thought was an ambush. When he gunned it, it threw Rass off the boat and only AFTER Kerry realized there was NO ambush, he returned and helped Rass out of the water.
 
Might someone say - 'when kerry ran away he dumped one of his guys off the boat, then came back to get the guy after knowing it was safe, getting a medal for it as well.'

hell, why didn't they give medals to the guys who didn't run away ?
 
fubar said:
Might someone say - 'when kerry ran away he dumped one of his guys off the boat, then came back to get the guy after knowing it was safe, getting a medal for it as well.'

hell, why didn't they give medals to the guys who didn't run away ?

I think they might have given some medals to the guys who didnt run away.
 
Merlin I don't think many of us can truly relate to your utter contempt for Kerry, since we don't have the experiences you do. If it helps, I do agree with you 1000% that it's what Kerry did immediately after the war which has got to burn even worse, and that makes him a contemptible piece of crap if there ever was one.

Travis I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you are trying to say that there are many other issues that should be the focus of why Kerry is unfit to be CIC.

Everyone :)

Kerry is getting off easy by forcing the country to have to go back in time to the 60's. HE decided to base his whole platform on his 4 months in Vietnam. Now that he is being questioned on it, he doesn't know what to do. So he goes back to the 1 thing he does best: Slam Bush.

I think his "medals, ribbons they were interchangeable" , his "Christmas in Cambodia" stories, his testimony to the Senate when he led VVAW, "Winter Soldier" etc. are all coming back to bite him in the ass.

I truly believe that he thought that he could spin all his contradictions into him being the war hero presidential candidate. He counted on the cheerleading mass media (NYT Wash Post, CNN ) to run with it and not question any of the contradictions. He counted on the uninformed apathetic voter to take him at his word.

His miscalculation is that the public is much more informed then he would like to believe. His truthfullness is being shredded daily by talk radio, and the web blogging community. The Mass Media (like Kerry) is sliding down a slippery slope here. The educated media consumer is going to start asking why it has taken so long for these stories to become "mainstream".

The Swift Boat Vets book is # 1 on amazon. A lot of people are talking about this. Kerry's response is to threaten the TV stations to "pull the ad or else", and now try to get the book banned. Besides the blatant, blatant hypocrisy (Moveon.org's and Michael Moores lies were ok?) the Kerry camps answer is to now say "Bush is behind this".

For some reason that news clip of Kerry months ago where he was caught with the microphone on saying "these guys are a bunch of liars. I've never seen a more crooked bunch" has stuck with me. I instantly though pot kettle black and now I know why.

Whether he got his medals honorably or not is 1 issue, his trying to sell himself as something he may not be is another......
 
JIHADTHIS said:
Merlin I don't think many of us can truly relate to your utter contempt for Kerry, since we don't have the experiences you do

Thanks for the support. But the motivation behind my feelings about kerry are quite simple and not at all difficult to fathom.

We were sent to Viet Nam by corrupt administrations who could easily have avoided the whole mess to begin with. Ho Chi Minh did not want to be an enemy of the United States. In fact, he made numerous attempts to avoid hostile relations, but was rebuffed by our government.

I do not despise kerry because he protested the war. Matter of fact, I understand the views of those who were against the war, and in many respects they were correct in opposing it. But kerry USED the military. He used the Navy to get his cheap medals, then he used an obscure regulation to run from his duty on the basis of Purple Hearts he had been awarded, but did not deserve. Then he USED his fellow veterans for the most crass and low purpose of gaining attention for his petty political aspirations.

Now kerry seeks to USE veterans once again to achieve the highest office in the land.

So the basis for my feelings about kerry are really pretty straighforward. I simply resent being used as that bastard's door mat.
 

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