One state: the only real solution

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    Rana Baker, a 19-year-old blogger and student of business administration also at the Islamic University of Gaza, argues that to be able to comprehend the risk of the UN declaration of a Palestinian state, this issue should be placed in its rightful context: the debate over a two-state solution. “In fact, the Palestinian street is divided into two: those who are for one state and those for the UN September recognition of two states,” Baker writes, adding “I’m for one state” (“I Turn On the Fan and Sit to Write,” 8 August 2011).

    Baker too warns that the PA “statehood” bid may be most threatening to Palestinians in the diaspora. “What about more than 5 million Palestinian refugees who dream to return to their lands?” she asks, “The Palestinian Authority does not have the right to take decisions on their behalf. If they were given the right to vote, they would have voted against this bid. This is definite.”

    Behind these criticisms lie doubts that many Palestinians have about the upcoming move to declare a Palestinian state on the 1967 lines. Some tend to question the functionality of a state in the besieged Gaza Strip and the heavily colonized West Bank, a state totally dependent on foreign aid.

    Others reasonably cast doubt on the credibility of the UN to secure the viability of this state, if recognized, and safeguard it against Israel’s expansionist policy. Some call it a blatant concession that terminates the right of return of Palestinian refugees all over the world. And some view it as yet one more act of treason by the PA — a move that would involve turning our backs on the 1.5 million Palestinians living in dire conditions and facing constant discrimination inside the apartheid State of Israel.

    As varied as the reasons might be to oppose the PA bid, they all stem from a firm belief that universal rights, real liberation and return, not “statehood” at any price, must be at the heart of our demands and struggle. Any solution must fully restore the rights of all segments of the Palestinian people — those living under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, those inside Israel, and the refugees waiting to return.

    And its also clear that increasingly, many young Palestinians believe that these rights can only be achieved in a one-state solution that puts an end to Israeli apartheid and guarantees equality and justice for all.

    Palestinian youth in Gaza skeptical about PA's UN bid | The Electronic Intifada
     
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    There is already a one state.

    Enjoy Jordan if you wish.
     
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    • What we're witnessing here is the ridiculously obvious pathetic palistanian inability to govern themselves, which is easily explainable by the fact that arabs (happy palistanians nowadays) have been showing a remarkable lack of interest in having a state then and now. They've been obsessed by the single idea of killing and driving jews out and looting of the jewish property, then and now. This psychotic obsession is the single bond and purpose that unites them, not the dreams of getting a life and a job, having and running a state. Besides, palistanians are a ragtag bunch of recent major immigrants in their roots, as proven by W.Shoebat, hence they don't have and share a national identity and purpose.
    • Arabs (happy-camper plistanians now) want a rerun on killing and driving jews out and looting of the jewish property, and, amusingly enough, they firmly believe life's a game with a save-reload option.
    • Palistanians firmly believe in their rather exclusive "right of return", denied to anybody else worldwide, of course. Royal exclusive palistanians.
    • They have "their own lands" - the whole Gaza of them, and that's too generous too.
    • Let their arab brethren accomodate them wherever they like. That's fair. Jordan, for example, is responsible for palistanian infestation of Lebanon, after all. Let jordaninas make up for it and take palistanians from Lebanon back in.
    • "Lands". We, of course, don't think palistanians, being major immigrants and their descendants thereof, can claim anything as theirs.
    • Palistanians live in faeces of their own doing and enjoy it - it makes them money in international aid.
     
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    You are right, one state. The palestinian satan worshipers need to get out of Israel to make that happen.
     
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    They are ~18% of the population of Israel.
     
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    It is interesting that the Palestinians living in Israel are still living inside Palestinian borders.
     
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    So, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, shakh, imam, president, prime-minister of that "palestine" to claim borders?
     
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    It is interesting that idiots like you believe that bull.
     
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    It's true, look it up.
     
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    There is a reason why so many Palestinian leaders have pushed for a two-state solution--they realize that a single, non-Jewish state is a pipe dream. Anyone who promises a full right of return is lying for support.

    I'm not sure what a single state would look like. I'd imagine it would devolve into confessionalism to protect religious rights, which is one of the worst systems of government ever conceived.

    Also, even though the Palestinians in the West Bank are in a terrible situation, those who are Israeli citizens in Israel are given tremendous rights for a minority in the middle east. Can you imagine any country other than Israel giving the vanquished enemy control over the administration of the temple mount? It's almost mind boggling. The Jewish government hasn't been too bad for the Arabs living in Israel. The West Bank, however, is a different story.

    That is a legitimate concern. Still, it is better than the status quo and more realistic than a one-state solution. To be viable, a Palestinian state would be dependent on its relationship with Israel and to a lesser extent, Egypt.
     

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