One of Obama's tragic legacy items though I'm not quite sure how he'll portray it in

[Spoonman]

that would make them obama's failed policies.

i'll refrain from commenting on hope and change.

oops, i goess i won't

bush's third term continues

so they whine that he's a commiesocialistmuslimkenyan for no reason?

and they'd call him a commiesocialstmuslimkenyan if he did do what he was elected to do. (which is end baby bush's policies?

i figure that means he should have told the right to stick it b/c it doesn't matter what he does. they'd hate him either way. *shrug*

which leads me back to the epic fail of the o/p.

*hugs*

If Obama had let the banks fail along with GM and Chrysler, we most likely would have 25% unemployment right now, the DOW would be sitting at 3500, and the Cons would be screaming how Obama should have known he had to bail the banks out. Then they would be telling us that he let them fail on purpose just so he could invoke his socialist policies.

You cannot argue with Cons because they never want to take credit for their own screw ups. It's like they tell us the biggest cause of these massive deficits is due to the fact that we didn't lower taxes enough. Everyone knows that the Bush tax cuts are the main cause of all the lost revenue, but the Cons tell us that we need to cut taxes even more to increase revenue.

let's see, he didn't help ford out and they are doing quite nicely - on their own. he didn't help a number of banks out and they are doing quitenicely - on their own

 

[beowolfe]

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LEGACY

I take it that you thought it would last forever. Welcome back to reality......nothing lasts forever, not even the Age of America.

Then your take on it would be wrong.

Then are you suggesting we continue the current course of action of unlimited spending with no way of paying for it?

You're really not too smart, are you? Where in what I posted does it indicate ANY position on our current situation?

 

[beowolfe]

so they whine that he's a commiesocialistmuslimkenyan for no reason?

and they'd call him a commiesocialstmuslimkenyan if he did do what he was elected to do. (which is end baby bush's policies?

i figure that means he should have told the right to stick it b/c it doesn't matter what he does. they'd hate him either way. *shrug*

which leads me back to the epic fail of the o/p.

*hugs*

If Obama had let the banks fail along with GM and Chrysler, we most likely would have 25% unemployment right now, the DOW would be sitting at 3500, and the Cons would be screaming how Obama should have known he had to bail the banks out. Then they would be telling us that he let them fail on purpose just so he could invoke his socialist policies.

You cannot argue with Cons because they never want to take credit for their own screw ups. It's like they tell us the biggest cause of these massive deficits is due to the fact that we didn't lower taxes enough. Everyone knows that the Bush tax cuts are the main cause of all the lost revenue, but the Cons tell us that we need to cut taxes even more to increase revenue.

let's see, he didn't help ford out and they are doing quite nicely - on their own. he didn't help a number of banks out and they are doing quitenicely - on their own

He did help Ford, by making loans available to them. Once they were deemed 'credit worthy' by the US government, it made other sources of funding available to them. But I wouldn't expect simple minded haters to realize that.

 

[Robert]

I take it that you thought it would last forever. Welcome back to reality......nothing lasts forever, not even the Age of America.

Then your take on it would be wrong.

Then are you suggesting we continue the current course of action of unlimited spending with no way of paying for it?

You're really not too smart, are you? Where in what I posted does it indicate ANY position on our current situation?

The ? denotes a question not a statement care to take a stab at it or is making asinine comments all there is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

LEGACY

how .... stupid.


you spend 8 years trashing a healthy economy and complain that president obama couldn't fix it fast enough.

china started holding our debt a long time ago... long before the current administration.

Umm, the Democrats have been trashing that "healthy" economy by pointing out that Bush left Obama with a recession when he came into office. Unless that was a lot longer ago than I remember your post is actually the epic fail here.

 

[beowolfe]

Failed Republicans policy is a broken record. I have never had it so good as when a Republican was president. Obama has not policy, just throw money at it. Clinton to us to Eastern Europe for a short period of time and we are still there. Obama is off shooting $1mil a piece rockets at a bunch of camel drivers in pick up. He spends money in Brazil but won't let us drill in the states. The guy does not have a plan. The really scary part is that I think he is doing it on purpose.

Something tells me that you probably had it better under Clinton than any president since Carter.

 

[8537]

So, are supposed to be all afeared cuz in 2016 the Chinese worker will reach about 1/4th the income of the American worker? is that what's s'posed to scare me?

 

[Spoonman]

If Obama had let the banks fail along with GM and Chrysler, we most likely would have 25% unemployment right now, the DOW would be sitting at 3500, and the Cons would be screaming how Obama should have known he had to bail the banks out. Then they would be telling us that he let them fail on purpose just so he could invoke his socialist policies.

You cannot argue with Cons because they never want to take credit for their own screw ups. It's like they tell us the biggest cause of these massive deficits is due to the fact that we didn't lower taxes enough. Everyone knows that the Bush tax cuts are the main cause of all the lost revenue, but the Cons tell us that we need to cut taxes even more to increase revenue.

let's see, he didn't help ford out and they are doing quite nicely - on their own. he didn't help a number of banks out and they are doing quitenicely - on their own

He did help Ford, by making loans available to them. Once they were deemed 'credit worthy' by the US government, it made other sources of funding available to them. But I wouldn't expect simple minded haters to realize that.

which they turned down rather than be forced to play obama's game. they succeeded without him. they didn't stiff their creditors like GM did. How many companies went out of business becasue GM didn't pay billions of bills. how many jobs were lost there? Obama's handling of GM cost jobs and hurt the economy and left thousands stiffed for payments owed them. but hey he paid back a debt to his union buddies

 

[Robert]

So, are supposed to be all afeared cuz in 2016 the Chinese worker will reach about 1/4th the income of the American worker? is that what's s'posed to scare me?

Considering there are an estimated 938 million working age individuals in china against our 120 million yes you should worry.

 

[VaYank5150]

let's see, he didn't help ford out and they are doing quite nicely - on their own. he didn't help a number of banks out and they are doing quitenicely - on their own

He did help Ford, by making loans available to them. Once they were deemed 'credit worthy' by the US government, it made other sources of funding available to them. But I wouldn't expect simple minded haters to realize that.

which they turned down rather than be forced to play obama's game. they succeeded without him. they didn't stiff their creditors like GM did. How many companies went out of business becasue GM didn't pay billions of bills. how many jobs were lost there? Obama's handling of GM cost jobs and hurt the economy and left thousands stiffed for payments owed them. but hey he paid back a debt to his union buddies

And let's see.....had GM filed for Chapter 11, without Obama's intervention, what would have happened? Are you stupid enough to think no jobs would have been lost, the economy would not have been hurt and thousands wouldn't have been stiffed for payments? Assuming, of course that all of these things DID happen because Obama bailed out GM. Normally when someone makes such claims, they post links and or data to support them.

 

[Spoonman]

He did help Ford, by making loans available to them. Once they were deemed 'credit worthy' by the US government, it made other sources of funding available to them. But I wouldn't expect simple minded haters to realize that.

which they turned down rather than be forced to play obama's game. they succeeded without him. they didn't stiff their creditors like GM did. How many companies went out of business becasue GM didn't pay billions of bills. how many jobs were lost there? Obama's handling of GM cost jobs and hurt the economy and left thousands stiffed for payments owed them. but hey he paid back a debt to his union buddies

And let's see.....had GM filed for Chapter 11, without Obama's intervention, what would have happened? Are you stupid enough to think no jobs would have been lost, the economy would not have been hurt and thousands wouldn't have been stiffed for payments? Assuming, of course that all of these things DID happen because Obama bailed out GM. Normally when someone makes such claims, they post links and or data to support them.

you libs and your links. you mean the opinion pieces you normally post? yea. let's see. the first thing that would have happened is the unions would have gotten stiffed. Obama couldn't let that happen. second, investors would have stepped in and GM might have been run more efficiently once again. why heck, they may have even move to right to work states like other auto companies and done without the unions.

 

[VaYank5150]

which they turned down rather than be forced to play obama's game. they succeeded without him. they didn't stiff their creditors like GM did. How many companies went out of business becasue GM didn't pay billions of bills. how many jobs were lost there? Obama's handling of GM cost jobs and hurt the economy and left thousands stiffed for payments owed them. but hey he paid back a debt to his union buddies

And let's see.....had GM filed for Chapter 11, without Obama's intervention, what would have happened? Are you stupid enough to think no jobs would have been lost, the economy would not have been hurt and thousands wouldn't have been stiffed for payments? Assuming, of course that all of these things DID happen because Obama bailed out GM. Normally when someone makes such claims, they post links and or data to support them.

you libs and your links. you mean the opinion pieces you normally post? yea. let's see. the first thing that would have happened is the unions would have gotten stiffed. Obama couldn't let that happen. second, investors would have stepped in and GM might have been run more efficiently once again. why heck, they may have even move to right to work states like other auto companies and done without the unions.

So....in your mind, no job losses and no stiffed contractors?

 

[Spoonman]

And let's see.....had GM filed for Chapter 11, without Obama's intervention, what would have happened? Are you stupid enough to think no jobs would have been lost, the economy would not have been hurt and thousands wouldn't have been stiffed for payments? Assuming, of course that all of these things DID happen because Obama bailed out GM. Normally when someone makes such claims, they post links and or data to support them.

you libs and your links. you mean the opinion pieces you normally post? yea. let's see. the first thing that would have happened is the unions would have gotten stiffed. Obama couldn't let that happen. second, investors would have stepped in and GM might have been run more efficiently once again. why heck, they may have even move to right to work states like other auto companies and done without the unions.

So....in your mind, no job losses and no stiffed contractors?

jobs would have been lost but jobs would have been gained. unions will crush gm again

 

[8537]

So, are supposed to be all afeared cuz in 2016 the Chinese worker will reach about 1/4th the income of the American worker? is that what's s'posed to scare me?

Considering there are an estimated 938 million working age individuals in china against our 120 million yes you should worry.

Worry about...what, exactly? What benefit will the Chinese gain and we lose when their incomes become 1/4th of ours?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Just wait until the US $ gets dropped as the world's reserve currency.... you ain't seen nothing till that shit hits the fan.

The O is toast in '12... he can spin all he likes,. but he can't escape the reality that is looming... mega inflation, high unemployment, no more ability to borrow endlessly at low rates.... he's done.

Jimmy Carter must be laughing his anti-Semitic ass off!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

you libs and your links. you mean the opinion pieces you normally post? yea. let's see. the first thing that would have happened is the unions would have gotten stiffed. Obama couldn't let that happen. second, investors would have stepped in and GM might have been run more efficiently once again. why heck, they may have even move to right to work states like other auto companies and done without the unions.

So....in your mind, no job losses and no stiffed contractors?

jobs would have been lost but jobs would have been gained. unions will crush gm again

Even with all the payoff money given them, the tax breaks etc.... they're bleeding red ink.. still.

Let 'em fail and tell the unions to fuck off just like they did the bondholders.

 

[Spoonman]

So....in your mind, no job losses and no stiffed contractors?

jobs would have been lost but jobs would have been gained. unions will crush gm again

Even with all the payoff money given them, the tax breaks etc.... they're bleeding red ink.. still.

Let 'em fail and tell the unions to fuck off just like they did the bondholders.

yes, that is another point i should have mentioned. first, why is tax payer dollars bailing out corporations? and if so why don't we all get stock. Second, yes, had they been allowed to fail on their own, capitalism remember, it wouldn't have cost us all that money.

 

[Spoonman]

Just wait until the US $ gets dropped as the world's reserve currency.... you ain't seen nothing till that shit hits the fan.

The O is toast in '12... he can spin all he likes,. but he can't escape the reality that is looming... mega inflation, high unemployment, no more ability to borrow endlessly at low rates.... he's done.

Jimmy Carter must be laughing his anti-Semitic ass off!

wish i had som reps left today