One more reason why republicans will lose big in 2014

[Stephanie]

Republicans have put themselves in a hole with their Obamacare temper tantrum to shut down government.

Question is: What will they do about it?

My guess is they will dig themselves deeper

shut up already, you've overtaken another thread with all you bullshit

 

[Nyvin]

It is the open hatred of Hispanics by the right. The scapegoating, calling them freeloaders and mooches that will doom Republicans

When are you guys going to learn to play nice?

you're are another hatful liar about the people who are Republicans/Conservatives.



open hatred for Hispanics was brought to light when Obama and you sheep in the Democrat party publically took Martins side over the HISPANIC, Zimmerman...you wanted to lynch the Hispanic and hang him for being found not guilty of murdering the poor dear child, Martin you all made him out to be...

and then you have the NERVE to post that hateful shit about Republicans...

you should just go to hell now and spare us your sick and warped lies...personally I am sick of them

Are you seriously trying to play Zimmerman against democrats for the hispanic vote??? Do you think Hispanic people favor stand your ground laws???

(hint: they don't)

 

[Stephanie]

It is the open hatred of Hispanics by the right. The scapegoating, calling them freeloaders and mooches that will doom Republicans

When are you guys going to learn to play nice?

you're are another hatful liar about the people who are Republicans/Conservatives.



open hatred for Hispanics was brought to light when Obama and you sheep in the Democrat party publically took Martins side over the HISPANIC, Zimmerman...you wanted to lynch the Hispanic and hang him for being found not guilty of murdering the poor dear child, Martin you all made him out to be...

and then you have the NERVE to post that hateful shit about Republicans...

you should just go to hell now and spare us your sick and warped lies...personally I am sick of them

Are you seriously trying to play Zimmerman against democrats for the hispanic vote??? Do you think Hispanic people favor stand your ground laws???

(hint: they don't)

oh they don't, did you go out and poll them?
stand your ground laws are for the people protection, you bleeding hearts don't like it, tough shit...go protest fur or something else to step on people rights

 

[OKTexas]

It is the open hatred of Hispanics by the right. The scapegoating, calling them freeloaders and mooches that will doom Republicans

When are you guys going to learn to play nice?

you're are another hatful liar about the people who are Republicans/Conservatives.



open hatred for Hispanics was brought to light when Obama and you sheep in the Democrat party publically took Martins side over the HISPANIC, Zimmerman...you wanted to lynch the Hispanic and hang him for being found not guilty of murdering the poor dear child, Martin you all made him out to be...

and then you have the NERVE to post that hateful shit about Republicans...

you should just go to hell now and spare us your sick and warped lies...personally I am sick of them

Are you seriously trying to play Zimmerman against democrats for the hispanic vote??? Do you think Hispanic people favor stand your ground laws???

(hint: they don't)

Are you really dumb enough not to know Stand Your Ground was not used in the Zimmerman defense, just straight up self defense. Hispanics agree that you should be able to defend yourself, FAIL.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

 

[OKTexas]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

Will you ever get off the commiecrat talking points, do you ever have an original thought?

 

[rightwinger]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

Will you ever get off the commiecrat talking points, do you ever have an original thought?

Commie?

Is that the best you got?

Haven't you guys progressed from the 1950s? Its like a time warp

 

[PrometheusBound]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

In 1964, Goldwater tried to play to the vote of the overwhelmingly White majority. Whites who voted against him didn't vote for the ultraleft Great Society; they saw through the bait-and-switch tactic of the GOP only caring about imposing Far Right economic class tyranny on the country and only giving lip service to racial concerns. The same when Clinton and Obama won, so Demwits shouldn't be so triumphant. They have no mandate and will lose again as soon as people forget what the Republicans did in destroying the lower middle class. People will vote, as always, against one threatening or snobbish candidate rather than for the winner.

Whether they thought that public healthcare is a good policy or not, people voted against the Demwits in 2010 because Obama concentrated on that instead of on the economic disaster created by the Greedheads On Parole. Because of the irrelevant 18th Century political science imposed on us by the anti-democratic Constitution, electoral winners don't express the will of the people but only suspicion of or hatred for the losers. The 2012 election was not a re-affirmation of Obama, but a fear that the recovery would collapse if the openly economic royalists took over again.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Not at all, OKTexas, that won't pass the Senate.

All three components must be passed in the same bill.

If not the reactionaries will renege on the other two, if only a close the border bill is passed first.

The Dems and business are willing to have no bill pass because they will benefit, one at the ballot box and the other in the cash box.

You mean like the commies reneged on border security with Reagan? We can actually learn from history here and not make the same mistakes again. Security will be first with the house all else is dead until that is accomplished.

As long as people in the GOP consider Democrats to be 'Communists,' their party will never get anywhere. It's so totally foolish and ignorant to hold such a point of view.

You need to do your research, there is a shared anti-corporate "share the wealth" ideology among those who are supportive of communism in the United States ... with those of the liberal Democrat party.

I have written before that the people's movement that is now emerging doesn't yet possess the transformative power of the movement of the 1930s. That movement set in motion an era of broad, deep-going, democratic, anti-corporate restructuring of our political and economic institutions - and also changed the thinking of tens of milliions.

But what today's movement does possess is the potential to develop in that direction. All of which begs the question:

How do we accelerate this transition from a movement with transformative potential to a movement with transformative power and capacity?


.... It should also be an energetic part of the struggle to give the Republican Party a licking in next year's congressional elections. Defeating right-wing extremist candidates is the key link in moving the whole chain of struggle forward. It will take an expansive coalition of voters, including independents, centrists and even some moderate Republicans.

- Sam Webb cpusa

Ingredients for a movement that can transform our country » peoplesworld

Sam Webb » cpusa

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

After the republicans got thrashed in the last election they set up a commission to evaluate why they lost and how to avoid losing in the future. The prime finding of the commission was that the demographics of America were changing (no surprise there) and that if the republicans wanted to remain relevant they needed to change also. The recommendation was that the republican party needs to actively work toward bringing Hispanics into the party.
They have a perfect chance to do that now but I fully expect that the republican party will once again shoot themselves in the foot. What the republicans need to do is to come out with a broad immigration plan that offers a way for Hispanics to become American citizens. But THAT is exactly what President Obama is preparing to do. This places the republicans in a bind. Should they strongly support a sweeping immigration plan (similar to what Obama is offering) OR should they dig in their heels and refuse to accept any plan Obama offers just as they have done throughout the last five years.
I am betting that the republicans will dig in their heels and refuse to offer a plan similar to Obama's. In other words, they will once again play the obstruction card and in the process slap the people who could help them win elections in the face. And then, after losing the Hispanic vote by a wide margin in 2014, they will once again scratch their heads and ask "Why did we lose? I don't understand."

Republicans lose on the issue of immigration because many on the right fear change and diversity; they perceive such change and an increasingly inclusive American society as a threat to their positions of advantage and privilege.

And there is a significant element of racism present in the Republican Party republican politicians of good faith must acknowledge and also fear.

This does not mean republicans are racist, or that racism is an official tenet of the Republican Party. So too are conservatives not racist, nor is racism an official tenet of conservative political dogma – but racists, for the most part, do identify as conservative and are more likely to be attracted to the GOP.

This racism manifests itself as an animosity toward Hispanics perceived by many republicans and conservatives as interlopers, seeking not freedom but jobs, and refusing to assimilate.

Hispanic Americans correctly perceive this animosity as indeed racism toward Hispanic persons, and consequently vote democratic. Republican opposition to immigration reform is also correctly perceived by Hispanic voters as animus toward the Hispanic community, where republicans seek only to ‘stem the tide’ of Hispanic immigration.

Republican politicians need to find the courage to stand up to the racist elements in their Party and support comprehensive immigration reform; the alternative is to continue to drift closer to the abyss of political irrelevance.

oh brother...stable the high horse...

they are AFRAID of change and diversity

that's why they were right up in there to free slaves, march with Martin Luther King, and lets see, who gave them Amnesty once before? not you Democrats.... etc etc

Legal Hispanic Americans don't want broad blanket amnesty either...they see how the job market is now with 7.2 % unemployment...but hey, what does Obama care about jobs for the people in this country, Obama needs to pander to another group to cause more hate and division in this country, this time it's Hispanics

and lets see, what party and president came out and took the black persons side(if I had a son he's look like trayvon Martin over the Hispanic Zimmerman?

you're just a blowhard partisan hack who think you know how Republicans/Conservatives...when it's all your made up imagination and painting with your broad brush...

you are a real ugly liar, how do you sleep at night?

President Obama is looking to the Hispanic community to help him save in the financial balance of Obamacare, as the young people in this country don't seem to be going for it as they hoped. This is why President Obama's first big push is for immigration reform by the end of the year, not a complete focus on the economy. His signature bill is all that matters. Unfortunately it will all begin to unravel should only the old and the poor be represented to receive their insurance assistance, with nothing in the way of healthy young people to offset the resulting debt.

There is a reason Obama is pushing so extremely hard on immigration reform by years end. Reliable voters is only small part of his agenda.

 

[blackhawk]

Every noticed how the people who love predicting the future are wrong a lot?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No fanatical dislike of Hispanics and immigrant, shakles.

Do you read this board?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

(1) The public trusts neither party since dear leader Reagan.

(2) The Pubs made the mistake when they controlled all branches of the governments by not doing so

(3) The demographics are changing so that the growing Hispanic vote is more numerous and important than that of the far right anti-immigrant vote in America.

No bill will pass if all three components are not part of it.

The public will punish our GOP severely if that does not happen.

It's plain to see you have bought the vernacular of the left, hook, line and sinker. Being against illegal immigration is NOT being anti-immigrant and if you think only the far right holds those views you are fucking nuts.

Hispanics are not stupid, they correctly infer the bellicose rhetoric from the right concerning ‘secure borders’ and ‘anti-illegal immigration’ as hostility toward Hispanic immigration, and Hispanic Americans in general.

It's hard to say there is hostility towards Hispanics, as some believe in the "equality" of attaining citizenship for ALL immigrants through the current Federal Immigration system. We are not out to show favoritism towards one particular ethnic group, in order to manipulate them like sheep to support the Democrats thirst for power. Not every Hispanic is gullible enough to accept this contrived fantasy of racism, some can actually see the clear politics behind this need of Democrats to show compassion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And that is why the Hispanic and immigrant groups' voting records are swinging to the GOP?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

Will you ever get off the commiecrat talking points, do you ever have an original thought?

The thread is about why republicans are losing elections as a consequence of Hispanics correctly perceiving the GOP as hostile toward immigrants and the right’s refusal to participate in comprehensive immigration reform.

Not ‘democrats,’ which is merely an attempt to deflect.

That you and others on the right refuse to acknowledge this problem is also part of the larger problem facing republicans.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

Can you provide me a link of Republicans in Congress specifically using racial slurs to describe Hispanics with regard to immigration reform?

 

[Mertex]

What commies in the GOP reneged on the bill, OK?

Doesn't matter what is first in the House if it is dead in the Senate on arrival.

Only the Dems and business win with no bill, not the GOP. Americans faith in our GOP is at historic lows.

Jakey the dems lost all credibility on security when your dear leader refused to complete the fence that the law said, the secretary WILL build, not optional and the dem congress let him get away with it. Yes both houses were controlled by dems at that time. The republicans won't make that mistake again. I've told my congressman that criminal penalties should be incorporated in any new law for any administration official that fails to follow the law. It's way past time to hold these politicians and bureaucrats accountable, maybe the threat of jail will get their attention.

The fence is a waste of money and doesn't work.

Illegal crossings are at their lowest since Obama became president - so much for the GOP having better ideas.

“While apprehensions across the southwest border remain near historic lows, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] has noted increases in apprehensions in South Texas, specifically of individuals from Central American countries, including El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras,” said Danny Tirado, a spokesman for the Rio Grande Valley office. “To address these changes, CBP continues to make significant investments in technology and infrastructure across south Texas and today, has more than 6,000 BP agents in the region, an increase of more than 80 percent since 2004.”

The Pinocchio Test
Kudos to the White House for staying on top of the changes in the data. The increase in apprehensions, at this point, does not suggest a return to huge influx of illegal aliens before the recession, but it is enough of a shift that it is appropriate to modify presidential claims of success.
Geppetto Checkmark
Obama?s claims on illegal border crossings - The Washington Post

 

[Nyvin]

Every noticed how the people who love predicting the future are wrong a lot?

Like Nate Silver?

 

[OKTexas]

The sad fact is this reactionaryism and fear of change and diversity is not necessarily republican; there are many republicans who, like democrats, embrace diversity and look forward to change.

The problem for the GOP concerns the racist, fearful elements that have hijacked a once viable party and turned it into an institution of ignorance and hate.

Will you ever get off the commiecrat talking points, do you ever have an original thought?

Commie?

Is that the best you got?

Haven't you guys progressed from the 1950s? Its like a time warp

Oh I got better, it's just a damned shame you guys don't have better. You can't, as your dear leader just proved, have a conversation with broken records.

 

[blackhawk]

Every noticed how the people who love predicting the future are wrong a lot?

Like Nate Silver?

I was referring to people on this board. But since you brought him didn't someone post a link for a article by him where he said it was not likely the Democrats would take the House in 2014 and the Senate was becoming more of a tossup?