One million Catalans rally for independence in Barcelona

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    The separatist movement is just starting.

    "I am outraged ... the political prisoners have to be released now!, said Santi Noe, 54, who came to the rally from his farm in El Maresme near Barcelona on his green tractor, one of dozens of tractors at the event.

    City police said on Twitter that around one million people took part, a similar amount to last year's protest.

    Catalan president Quim Torra said the rally marks the start of a "mass mobilisation". Further protests are planned for an anniversary of last year's banned referendum, which was marred by police violence, and on the anniversary of the failed declaration of independence."

    One million Catalans rally for independence in Barcelona - France 24
     
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    well good luck to them.

    unless they are prepared to die for freedom, they will just be beaten back into their hole.
     
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    You have no idea how committed they are. If they had a Second Amendment, they'd already be a separate nation
     
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    I don´t see any benefit in a separation, though. It has already hurt their economy severely.
     
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    In the US, most people think that the Boston Tea Party was over higher taxation.

    If so, they would be wrong. The East Indies Company actually lowered the cost of tea when they attempted to corner the market. The issue was control. The colonists were willing to pay higher prices for tea so long as it meant that the East Indies company did not create a monopoly.

    In return, the colonists took a terrible hit economically, but that is the price for your freedom. Ireland had a similar vote not to long ago. Do you want your freedom, or your cushy economy. They chose the later.

    Make no mistake, freedom has a cost and it's a question of whether you want it bad enough.

    What most don't realize is, most Americans probably would have voted against secession from the British crown. The Revolutionary movement was conducted by the minority of Americans and would have fallen flat on its face if it had been put to a vote.
     
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    Catalonia is not a colony but part of the homeland. Catalans are very nationalistic, even their road signs are in red and yellow. This is not about freedom but wired, exaggerated nationalism and another ETA could show up.

    ETA (separatist group) - Wikipedia

    Whether a part of the homeland can leave can only be subject to a nationwide referendum, not a local.
     
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    Spain was always and amalgam of different ethnic groups and kingdoms/principalities.

    What we see as modern Spain was held together via a Crown and back in the day their expansive empire.
     
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    Just typical for an European country.
     
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    Progressives, who worship an all powerful government, flatter themselves that they would have fought for freedom. Lol
     
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    Spain to me has the issues worse than most.

    You don't see some Italians clamoring for the return of the Papal States, nor Bavarians wanting a return to being a Kingdom.

    There are of course some who want that, but nowhere near the level of the current Catalonian situation.
     

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