One big reason why unions are good!

[garyd]

Let me give you my sole union experinece Jackasses. It lasted about 2 hours. Fresh out of the army I take this union gig doing light assembly. Simple damn job about like putting nuts and washers on a bolt. I didn't even need hand tools. I'm working along side this good ole boy been there for about a century or so or so it looked to my 20 something ass at the time and I'm filling about three baskets to his one and it's been about 30 minutes and this dude come over and tells me, "That's not how we do that here. Do it like this."

Well the only difference between the way he told me to do it and the way I was doing it was that his way was freaking slower, but I'm still making 2 baskets to the oll guys 1. So I figure what the hell and just keep doing it the way he wants and sure enough about 30 minutes latter some other clown comes over and tells me the same damn thing only his way fo doing still doesn't make a better finished product than what I had before the first guy came by and it's slower still, and I'm now down to about 1-1/2 times as many parts as the old geezer and the more I think about it the more pissed I get. Finally the break whistle blows and I see these ass hats standing by the water fountain and I grab a handful of parts and take them over to them and say, "When you assholes figure out how you want these done and that finding slower and slower ways to do shit doesn't help anyone give me a call I'm going to the house! Needless to say they never did but I went back to college and got a teaching degree so it wasn't any real loss.

There are in my experience 3 types of people on any union Job. those actually trying to do the work who are generally referred to as ass kisser and company men and harrassed until they quit so the Union bosses butt buddy doesn't have to strain himself trying to keep up, the union hierarchy, and the union hierarchy's ass kissers.

 

[editec]

HillBilly,

Do you work or are you on welfare?

I live off of other people's welfare.

As do we all, HB. As do we all.

That's how civilizations really function, isn't it?

When enough people are doing well enough things keep working.

Conversely, when too many people in a society become so self centered that they think people's welfare is no longer their concern, that civilization is going down.

 

[RodISHI]

This is America correct. Contracts WERE between two parties not two parties and the government.

Hi. I corrected your statement to match life in the Obamanation.

The government has infiltrated private industry product, bailed them out with billions of our taxpayer dollars and we are supposed to like it.

If state labor boards and regulators were doing their jobs and many of these work places did not abuse employees unions would be a non issue for low skilled labor jobs.

I have a problem with some of these larger companies that try to force their "employee contracts" onto their employees. After being drenched with toxic chemicals due to a superiors ignorance here at a no brainer job the company attempted to force me to sign their contract. It was an ultimatum. I was told that legally the company could not enforce this contract even if I were to sign it. If that were the case it seemed to me that the company had no right to demand my signature after the fact.


There are a lot of issues that have not or are not being address to protect the laborers with minimum skills and labor work force in general. I can't say that unions are the answer to the problems these unskilled workers face but these workers do need protection that they are obviously not getting so they need help of some kind.

 

[sealybobo]

Let me give you my sole union experinece Jackasses. It lasted about 2 hours. Fresh out of the army I take this union gig doing light assembly. Simple damn job about like putting nuts and washers on a bolt. I didn't even need hand tools. I'm working along side this good ole boy been there for about a century or so or so it looked to my 20 something ass at the time and I'm filling about three baskets to his one and it's been about 30 minutes and this dude come over and tells me, "That's not how we do that here. Do it like this."

Well the only difference between the way he told me to do it and the way I was doing it was that his way was freaking slower, but I'm still making 2 baskets to the oll guys 1. So I figure what the hell and just keep doing it the way he wants and sure enough about 30 minutes latter some other clown comes over and tells me the same damn thing only his way fo doing still doesn't make a better finished product than what I had before the first guy came by and it's slower still, and I'm now down to about 1-1/2 times as many parts as the old geezer and the more I think about it the more pissed I get. Finally the break whistle blows and I see these ass hats standing by the water fountain and I grab a handful of parts and take them over to them and say, "When you assholes figure out how you want these done and that finding slower and slower ways to do shit doesn't help anyone give me a call I'm going to the house! Needless to say they never did but I went back to college and got a teaching degree so it wasn't any real loss.

There are in my experience 3 types of people on any union Job. those actually trying to do the work who are generally referred to as ass kisser and company men and harrassed until they quit so the Union bosses butt buddy doesn't have to strain himself trying to keep up, the union hierarchy, and the union hierarchy's ass kissers.

My dad worked at Ford and I have heard all the horror stories. Not denying that they are true. That doesn't mean I'm anti union. But I am against unions allowing lazy people to get away with shit. But that doesn't lessen the value of unions.

And are you in a teachers union? Are teachers lazy and does this shit happen with teachers too?

I worked in non union shops where what you described happens. Doesn't have to be a union. Those guys didn't want you to set the bar too high because then the company starts demanding those results.

Those 3 types of people exist at every company, union or not.

 

[DiveCon]

Let me give you my sole union experinece Jackasses. It lasted about 2 hours. Fresh out of the army I take this union gig doing light assembly. Simple damn job about like putting nuts and washers on a bolt. I didn't even need hand tools. I'm working along side this good ole boy been there for about a century or so or so it looked to my 20 something ass at the time and I'm filling about three baskets to his one and it's been about 30 minutes and this dude come over and tells me, "That's not how we do that here. Do it like this."

Well the only difference between the way he told me to do it and the way I was doing it was that his way was freaking slower, but I'm still making 2 baskets to the oll guys 1. So I figure what the hell and just keep doing it the way he wants and sure enough about 30 minutes latter some other clown comes over and tells me the same damn thing only his way fo doing still doesn't make a better finished product than what I had before the first guy came by and it's slower still, and I'm now down to about 1-1/2 times as many parts as the old geezer and the more I think about it the more pissed I get. Finally the break whistle blows and I see these ass hats standing by the water fountain and I grab a handful of parts and take them over to them and say, "When you assholes figure out how you want these done and that finding slower and slower ways to do shit doesn't help anyone give me a call I'm going to the house! Needless to say they never did but I went back to college and got a teaching degree so it wasn't any real loss.

There are in my experience 3 types of people on any union Job. those actually trying to do the work who are generally referred to as ass kisser and company men and harrassed until they quit so the Union bosses butt buddy doesn't have to strain himself trying to keep up, the union hierarchy, and the union hierarchy's ass kissers.

My dad worked at Ford and I have heard all the horror stories. Not denying that they are true. That doesn't mean I'm anti union. But I am against unions allowing lazy people to get away with shit. But that doesn't lessen the value of unions.

And are you in a teachers union? Are teachers lazy and does this shit happen with teachers too?

I worked in non union shops where what you described happens. Doesn't have to be a union. Those guys didn't want you to set the bar too high because then the company starts demanding those results.

Those 3 types of people exist at every company, union or not.

but in a nonunion company, those guys are the ones to go FIRST
when downsizing happens

 

[KMAN]

My sister works for rite aid and her store recently joined the ufcw and she was telling me the other night how her higher ups fucked her and a few others out of hours this week and next. The took someone in from a recently closed rite aid and this person bitched that they wanted 40 hours(which they didnt have and should not have hired her) so they did it and cut staff hours to fit her in. WELL only problem is they went around the union and its by laws to do it when they should have put it up to a union vote meaning this person was brought in illegally, totally disregarding union rules which state it has to go to a full vote....this time its not a case of unions doing wrong but corporate fucking over the little guys and saying we dont care about you, the union steward is fighting it for them and if all goes well my sis and the others will get back pay.

yep,, I gotta admit,, giving someone a job is one big giant fuck up.. go unions!

so its ok to have corp disregard the laws of unions that protect people and fuck others over so 1 whiner can have 40 hours and a job when that store didnt have the hours to give to begin with???! thats assinine willow, even for you!

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

 

[justabubba]

yep,, I gotta admit,, giving someone a job is one big giant fuck up.. go unions!

so its ok to have corp disregard the laws of unions that protect people and fuck others over so 1 whiner can have 40 hours and a job when that store didnt have the hours to give to begin with???! thats assinine willow, even for you!

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

a stunningly ignorant suggestion, since she already has a job
and she has a union to back her complaint
why leave that situation to be out of work looking for a job in this economy

 

[KMAN]

I am amused by the people here who make feeble attempts to rip on unions and union members. Union workers are perfectly compensated and work perfectly hard. I realize a lot of you have to work too hard for not enough but it is the economic system in place that is screwing you over and you should be angry with the evil merchants of death in charge and not with people who are working and earning a reasonable amount.

All slave owners oppose unions so if you choose to align yourself with slave owners it proves you are a racist fool. And to all the union people here at US Message - don't listen to the negative trash being shot out here...the smart people know you provide value to society. Let us therefor keep up the good work!

Unions sound just like the government... maybe that's why liberals love unions...

GM CEO: Accountable to the President. UAW President: Accountable to NOBODY - Blog - Jack for Michigan

 

[KMAN]

VDARE.com: 12/30/08 - The UAW's Money-Squandering Corruptocracy

 

[sealybobo]

Let me give you my sole union experinece Jackasses. It lasted about 2 hours. Fresh out of the army I take this union gig doing light assembly. Simple damn job about like putting nuts and washers on a bolt. I didn't even need hand tools. I'm working along side this good ole boy been there for about a century or so or so it looked to my 20 something ass at the time and I'm filling about three baskets to his one and it's been about 30 minutes and this dude come over and tells me, "That's not how we do that here. Do it like this."

Well the only difference between the way he told me to do it and the way I was doing it was that his way was freaking slower, but I'm still making 2 baskets to the oll guys 1. So I figure what the hell and just keep doing it the way he wants and sure enough about 30 minutes latter some other clown comes over and tells me the same damn thing only his way fo doing still doesn't make a better finished product than what I had before the first guy came by and it's slower still, and I'm now down to about 1-1/2 times as many parts as the old geezer and the more I think about it the more pissed I get. Finally the break whistle blows and I see these ass hats standing by the water fountain and I grab a handful of parts and take them over to them and say, "When you assholes figure out how you want these done and that finding slower and slower ways to do shit doesn't help anyone give me a call I'm going to the house! Needless to say they never did but I went back to college and got a teaching degree so it wasn't any real loss.

There are in my experience 3 types of people on any union Job. those actually trying to do the work who are generally referred to as ass kisser and company men and harrassed until they quit so the Union bosses butt buddy doesn't have to strain himself trying to keep up, the union hierarchy, and the union hierarchy's ass kissers.

My dad worked at Ford and I have heard all the horror stories. Not denying that they are true. That doesn't mean I'm anti union. But I am against unions allowing lazy people to get away with shit. But that doesn't lessen the value of unions.

And are you in a teachers union? Are teachers lazy and does this shit happen with teachers too?

I worked in non union shops where what you described happens. Doesn't have to be a union. Those guys didn't want you to set the bar too high because then the company starts demanding those results.

Those 3 types of people exist at every company, union or not.

but in a nonunion company, those guys are the ones to go FIRST
when downsizing happens

I worked for a company that fired 10% of its staff every December 15th, right before xmas. Bastards! They did it regardless of how the year was going, just to look as lean and profitable as they could starting the next year. Then they'd hire again in January or February. Evil pricks.

Anyways, if they were unionized, the company couldn't do that.

I can see both sides on this issue, but I think unions protect workers and I'm a worker. I'm not in a union, nor do I want to be. But I like them being out there fighting for workers. I don't like them protecting bad workers though, but all that is is union bashing. Fuck that! How about the 99% of the employees who work as hard as you do? What about the CEO who is overpaid? What about all the other executives who are a drain on the company?

 

[sealybobo]

yep,, I gotta admit,, giving someone a job is one big giant fuck up.. go unions!

so its ok to have corp disregard the laws of unions that protect people and fuck others over so 1 whiner can have 40 hours and a job when that store didnt have the hours to give to begin with???! thats assinine willow, even for you!

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

Good luck. They're all screwing us over. Companies love a certain amount of unemployment because it helps keep wages down. They hated the 90's. They were making profits but so were we and they hated that.

So these last 8 years have been on purpose. Disaster capitalism. I showed you all the other day that in 2005 when corporate profits were breaking records, our pay was going down.

Righties denied that back then. They said wages were up. I know they were fudging the numbers. Maybe factoring in Blackwater wages and CEO's wages.

Certainly the masses wages have not gone up in the last few years. Have yours?

And even if they did, have they made up for inflation, your home value dropped, the hit your 401K too.

Remember, if I'm whining, what is it called when you cry about "socialism"?

 

[KMAN]

so its ok to have corp disregard the laws of unions that protect people and fuck others over so 1 whiner can have 40 hours and a job when that store didnt have the hours to give to begin with???! thats assinine willow, even for you!

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

Good luck. They're all screwing us over. Companies love a certain amount of unemployment because it helps keep wages down. They hated the 90's. They were making profits but so were we and they hated that.

So these last 8 years have been on purpose. Disaster capitalism. I showed you all the other day that in 2005 when corporate profits were breaking records, our pay was going down.

Righties denied that back then. They said wages were up. I know they were fudging the numbers. Maybe factoring in Blackwater wages and CEO's wages.

Certainly the masses wages have not gone up in the last few years. Have yours?

And even if they did, have they made up for inflation, your home value dropped, the hit your 401K too.

Remember, if I'm whining, what is it called when you cry about "socialism"?

I feel sorry for you... I have not had any experience like that.. Of course I graduated from college with a 4 year degree so that may be the difference... In fact my wife and in-laws own a small business and I have never heard them mention how they love unemployment... Every business I know makes more money the more people they hire... Sorry to hear about your problems.

 

[DiveCon]

My dad worked at Ford and I have heard all the horror stories. Not denying that they are true. That doesn't mean I'm anti union. But I am against unions allowing lazy people to get away with shit. But that doesn't lessen the value of unions.

And are you in a teachers union? Are teachers lazy and does this shit happen with teachers too?

I worked in non union shops where what you described happens. Doesn't have to be a union. Those guys didn't want you to set the bar too high because then the company starts demanding those results.

Those 3 types of people exist at every company, union or not.

but in a nonunion company, those guys are the ones to go FIRST
when downsizing happens

I worked for a company that fired 10% of its staff every December 15th, right before xmas. Bastards! They did it regardless of how the year was going, just to look as lean and profitable as they could starting the next year. Then they'd hire again in January or February. Evil pricks.

Anyways, if they were unionized, the company couldn't do that.

I can see both sides on this issue, but I think unions protect workers and I'm a worker. I'm not in a union, nor do I want to be. But I like them being out there fighting for workers. I don't like them protecting bad workers though, but all that is is union bashing. Fuck that! How about the 99% of the employees who work as hard as you do? What about the CEO who is overpaid? What about all the other executives who are a drain on the company?

BULLSHIT
no company would ever have a viable workforce that did that kind of bullshit
who the fuck would be stupid enough to stay working for them if they treated them like that?
i sure as hell wouldnt go back to them
and their competition would kick their ass and they'd be out of business soon

 

[justabubba]

[quote=Yukon;1226925]I am amused by the people here who make feeble attempts to rip on unions and union members. Union workers are perfectly compensated and work perfectly hard. I realize a lot of you have to work too hard for not enough but it is the economic system in place that is screwing you over and you should be angry with the evil merchants of death in charge and not with people who are working and earning a reasonable amount.

All slave owners oppose unions so if you choose to align yourself with slave owners it proves you are a racist fool. And to all the union people here at US Message - don't listen to the negative trash being shot out here...the smart people know you provide value to society. Let us therefor keep up the good work!

Unions sound just like the government... maybe that's why liberals love unions...

GM CEO: Accountable to the President. UAW President: Accountable to*NOBODY - Blog - Jack for Michigan[/QUOTE][emphasis added by bubba]

unions, like the government must be democratically elected and operated. the union is nothing other than the non-management employees exercising their legal right to organize and negotiate conditions of employment

just as politicians are accountable to those they represent, so are the union officers

and just as some politicians are influenced by money or other inducements to forego their fiduciary obligation to the electorate that also happens within unions. that is especially true when the employees fail to exercise their right to participate in the administration and election of union representatives. but should they choose to, they can hold the union reps accountable. just as the citizens can hold rogue politicians accountable. that we don't do this more often speaks more about those being misrepresented than the rogue reps

 

[sealybobo]

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

Good luck. They're all screwing us over. Companies love a certain amount of unemployment because it helps keep wages down. They hated the 90's. They were making profits but so were we and they hated that.

So these last 8 years have been on purpose. Disaster capitalism. I showed you all the other day that in 2005 when corporate profits were breaking records, our pay was going down.

Righties denied that back then. They said wages were up. I know they were fudging the numbers. Maybe factoring in Blackwater wages and CEO's wages.

Certainly the masses wages have not gone up in the last few years. Have yours?

And even if they did, have they made up for inflation, your home value dropped, the hit your 401K too.

Remember, if I'm whining, what is it called when you cry about "socialism"?

I feel sorry for you... I have not had any experience like that.. Of course I graduated from college with a 4 year degree so that may be the difference... In fact my wife and in-laws own a small business and I have never heard them mention how they love unemployment... Every business I know makes more money the more people they hire... Sorry to hear about your problems.

Perfect example of how right wingers think. You assume I got fired? I did not. I was a top producer in sales. You are right, they didn't let go of any producers. They got rid of administrative people just to save a few bucks at the end of the year.

It was a family owned business, like your wifes business. The son got the business handed to him, just like your wife. And he too probably didn't realize he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Most kids who's parents have money are spoiled and ignorant. Look at Paris Hilton.

And good luck starting a business today. First of all, you won't get the loan. Second of all, no one is buying anything. And GOP tax breaks really only helped mega corporations, but I'm sure you know that being a small business owner.

And I have a 4 year business degree and a masters you little shit. How condesending can you be?

 

[KMAN]

so its ok to have corp disregard the laws of unions that protect people and fuck others over so 1 whiner can have 40 hours and a job when that store didnt have the hours to give to begin with???! thats assinine willow, even for you!

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

a stunningly ignorant suggestion, since she already has a job
and she has a union to back her complaint
why leave that situation to be out of work looking for a job in this economy

I thought this was common sense but then again I must remember my audience.... You don't leave a job until you have another one lined up...sheesh, I didn't think I wouldhave to explain that one but I guess i was wrong.... maybe that is why there are so many Democrats out of a job right now...

 

[KMAN]

Good luck. They're all screwing us over. Companies love a certain amount of unemployment because it helps keep wages down. They hated the 90's. They were making profits but so were we and they hated that.

So these last 8 years have been on purpose. Disaster capitalism. I showed you all the other day that in 2005 when corporate profits were breaking records, our pay was going down.

Righties denied that back then. They said wages were up. I know they were fudging the numbers. Maybe factoring in Blackwater wages and CEO's wages.

Certainly the masses wages have not gone up in the last few years. Have yours?

And even if they did, have they made up for inflation, your home value dropped, the hit your 401K too.

Remember, if I'm whining, what is it called when you cry about "socialism"?

I feel sorry for you... I have not had any experience like that.. Of course I graduated from college with a 4 year degree so that may be the difference... In fact my wife and in-laws own a small business and I have never heard them mention how they love unemployment... Every business I know makes more money the more people they hire... Sorry to hear about your problems.

Perfect example of how right wingers think. You assume I got fired? I did not. I was a top producer in sales. You are right, they didn't let go of any producers. They got rid of administrative people just to save a few bucks at the end of the year.

It was a family owned business, like your wifes business. The son got the business handed to him, just like your wife. And he too probably didn't realize he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Most kids who's parents have money are spoiled and ignorant. Look at Paris Hilton.

And good luck starting a business today. First of all, you won't get the loan. Second of all, no one is buying anything. And GOP tax breaks really only helped mega corporations, but I'm sure you know that being a small business owner.

And I have a 4 year business degree and a masters you little shit. How condesending can you be?

Did you even read my post? Where did I say you got fired?

Regarding getting let go, what in Obama's plan makes you have faith that he is going to help small business?

By the way, I was comparing my education to the original poster's sister... not your's...

 

[DiveCon]

Why doesn't your sis go work for another company? This may sound crazy but if a company was screwing me over I would find another job...

a stunningly ignorant suggestion, since she already has a job
and she has a union to back her complaint
why leave that situation to be out of work looking for a job in this economy

I thought this was common sense but then again I must remember my audience.... You don't leave a job until you have another one lined up...sheesh, I didn't think I wouldhave to explain that one but I guess i was wrong.... maybe that is why there are so many Democrats out of a job right now...

shockingly amazing, isnt it
if the place you work sucks, look for another job and when you find it, change work places

 

[sealybobo]

I feel sorry for you... I have not had any experience like that.. Of course I graduated from college with a 4 year degree so that may be the difference... In fact my wife and in-laws own a small business and I have never heard them mention how they love unemployment... Every business I know makes more money the more people they hire... Sorry to hear about your problems.

Perfect example of how right wingers think. You assume I got fired? I did not. I was a top producer in sales. You are right, they didn't let go of any producers. They got rid of administrative people just to save a few bucks at the end of the year.

It was a family owned business, like your wifes business. The son got the business handed to him, just like your wife. And he too probably didn't realize he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Most kids who's parents have money are spoiled and ignorant. Look at Paris Hilton.

And good luck starting a business today. First of all, you won't get the loan. Second of all, no one is buying anything. And GOP tax breaks really only helped mega corporations, but I'm sure you know that being a small business owner.

And I have a 4 year business degree and a masters you little shit. How condesending can you be?

Did you even read my post? Where did I say you got fired?

Regarding getting let go, what in Obama's plan makes you have faith that he is going to help small business?

By the way, I was comparing my education to the original poster's sister... not your's...

Obama just passed tax breaks for small business'. They get to write off shit they bought years ago. I don't remember all the details, but I do recall that in 2 or 3 years, their taxes will go back up.

They can't complain because the economy should be strong by then. But they will. They'll say it will raise prices and they'll have to lay people off. That's fine in a good economy.

 

[sealybobo]

a stunningly ignorant suggestion, since she already has a job
and she has a union to back her complaint
why leave that situation to be out of work looking for a job in this economy

I thought this was common sense but then again I must remember my audience.... You don't leave a job until you have another one lined up...sheesh, I didn't think I wouldhave to explain that one but I guess i was wrong.... maybe that is why there are so many Democrats out of a job right now...

shockingly amazing, isnt it
if the place you work sucks, look for another job and when you find it, change work places

What makes you think it'll be better somewhere else?

And who's hiring?