On This Anniversary - 9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition (Epic Essay)

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    We could argue all day about whether 9/11 was or wasn’t a false flag. However, the consequences of it are a growing police state, ever increasing government size and power, and unending foreign interventions. All things loved by the ruling class and harmful to individual liberty.
     
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    There is no evidence of conspiracy in the planning or carrying out of the attack. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

    As for the aftermath in the investigation, there are some unanswered questions about what has been made public. For example, there are a lot of security cameras around the Pentagon.
    cameras around pentagon.jpg

    This is to say nothing about internal security cameras that were surely in the corridors in the E-ring of the Pentagon.

    Perhaps there is nothing on them. But where are they--the images prior to the plane impacting the wall of the building? I understand the hesitation of the press to show a camera image that shows nothing--why would they--except to salve/sate the conspiracy loons? It would seem like a very easy thing to show. The internal cameras may have a lot of disturbing images of someone just walking down the hallway and getting creamed but there is far worse on TV in 2017. The external cameras though? Nothing that we haven't seen or imagined there.

    Keep in mind; I have zero doubt that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. It hit. The wreckage proves it; the damage to the light poles proves it; the clip of concrete on the generator and the helipad prove it; the air traffic control path proves it. But where are the images from these (at least) 3 cameras and the internal corridors?
     
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    The dogs were removed on a Thursday, 3 days before the towers went down. Reducing your 'months of remodelling' to a mere 72 hours.

    It takes months to wire a building using standard gravity fed implosion. The towers would have taken years, with 50,000 bombs bare minimum necessary to bring it down in the manner we saw.

    3 days isn't enough time to do this.

    And the seismic evidence would have recorded the explosions before the impact. Seismic sensors were in the city. None recorded any such explosions. There were no girders that had been 'cut' in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. There was no apparatus of explosives ever found...not an inch of blasting wire, not a single timer, transceiver, detonator, nothing. Nor was there any explosive residue.

    Your theory is just an awful, awful explanation.

    Nope. The building came down *opposite* of controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes out the main supports at the bottom and lets the building fall, all at the same time. Kicker charges are used to break up the debris. But the entire building falls all at once, all at the same time.

    WTC 1 and 2.....fell top to bottom. Exactly opposite controlled demolition. With the collapse beginning at the 77th and 93rd floor respectively. And proceeding, one floor at a time from the impact site down all the way to the ground.

    Mandating that each floor would have be destroyed individually. With 226 narrow columns of the outer panels and 47 core columns.....that's about 275 charges per floor, or nearly 50,000 charges to wire the floors beneath the impact site.

    With each charge covered up so perfectly that it was imperceptible, leaving no seismic signature, no cut girders, no residue of explosives and zero evidence of ever existing.

    In 72 hours?

    Um, no. Your explanation is just silly. Occam's Razor alone leaves your theory in tatters.

    More accurately, the evidence is never going to agree with your theory.

    And I follow the evidence.
     
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    Occam's razor tells us that the towers couldn't have come down as the establishment tells us it had.

    I don't know the details of how it did, I'm not like you, setting up straw men and knocking them down to prove I'm right.

    Everyone saw the molten iron, and everyone knows Jet Fuel can't do that.

    I'm not doing this with you.
     
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    A structural failure is by far the simplest solution that matches the evidence. Once the structural failure began, there was nothing in the building that could withstand the impact of at least 18 stories of falling steel and concrete. You would have seen a collapse, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground.

    No magic invisible explosives installed by ninja janitors by the 10s of thousands in only 72 hours necessary.


    These aren't strawmen. These are just facts. For example, the towers came down opposite of controlled demolitition, top to bottom. Shall we look at *actual* controlled demolition videos together. You'll see the supports at the bottom are blown out and the entire buiiding falls at once.

    That is not how the towers fell. That's just a fact. The collapse began at the point of impact with the planes and proceeded, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground. Top to bottom. While controlled demolition is bottom to top.

    You can call this a strawman all you like. But it remains evidence that explicitly contradicts your 'bombs' narrative. As does all the other evidence you ignore.

    You don't know its iron. You assume it must be so. And your assumption isn't a valid basis for an elaborate, hideously convoluted conspiracy theory involving 'black ops' and 'bombs'. Also, bombs don't drip iron.

    As I said, your explanation was just awful. Contradicted by evidence, uselessly complicated, wildly complex and fact free. As there is literally no evidence of bombs. closing your eyes and ignoring this doesn't magically make the holes in your theory disappear.

    I'm just the messenger. Its the evidence that you have a problem with. And will as long as you ignore it.
     
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    As a messenger, you are full of shit. You don't care about the evidence, you care about a cover up.

    Everyone knows there was molten steel there, now you are just lying.

    A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards
    "Perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation involves extremely thin bits of steel collected from the trade towers and from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high rise that also collapsed for unknown reasons. The steel apparently melted away, but no fire in any of the buildings was believed to be hot enough to melt steel outright.

    A preliminary analysis of the steel at Worcester Polytechnic Institute using electron microscopes suggests that sulfur released during the fires -- no one knows from where -- may have combined with atoms in the steel to form compounds that melt at lower temperatures."


    A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards
     
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    Says the man that just switched topics. Sigh.....predictably. Now you want to switch the topic to WTC 7..

    'Everyone knows' is what you say when you can't factually establish your claims. As you demonstrate a moment later by switching to WTC 7.

    Who says that WTC 7 steel 'apparently melted away'? That wasn't the findings of the FDNY nor the Putting the word 'apparently' in front of your accusation as much a tell as saying 'everyone knows' before your claim.

    The entire premise that the steel 'melting away' in the WTC 7....is a strawman. As is the claim that its collapse was a 'mystery'.


    The WTC 7 didn't collapse wasn't a mystery. The FDNY anticipated its collapse due to fire and structural damage *hours* before it came down. The building sustained massive damage from the collapsing towers and had fires that the FDNY couldn't fight. They never once concluded that the steel was 'melting away'.

    So the FDNY pulled their fire fighting effort, put a transit on the building and measured its leaning and bulging as the fires raged inside. The FDNY created a collapse zone around WTC 7 and evacuated the area. Don't take my word for it. Here are the accounts from the FDNY firefighters who were there such as the eye witness account of Fire Chief Frank Fellini.

    And Chief Frank Cruthers.

    And Fire chief Daniel Nigro
    And Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

    And Lieutenant Rudolf Weindler

    The idea that the collapse of WTC 7 was a 'mystery' is blithering nonsense. The FDNY called it hours before it came down.

    Even the premise of the 'apparently melted away' nonsense is just useless idiocy. As steel need not melt or come close to melting to lose its strength.

    You don't need to melt steel for it collapse. You need to *heat* steel for it to collapse. And of course, jet fuel was merely the accelerant and ignition source. It was hardly the only thing burning. Especially in WTC 7....which wasn't hit by a plane.

    Once again you've found the stupidest and most uselessly complicated explanations to cling to your conspiracy. While ignoring the most obvious, most evidence backed, and the conclusions backed by the engineering studies and the FDNY:

    Fire and structural damage
     
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    After all the lies our government been caught in, is it really that hard to believe they are lying to us about 9/11?
     
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    The conspiracy would have to be vast, far beyond simply 'the government'. It would involve virtually all the eye witnesses, virtually every first reponder, virtually every fire fighter, the FDNY, the NYPD, all the people stuck on the highway beside the pentagon when a plane flew overhead.

    It would involve the news reporters who identified plane wreckage outside the Pentagon, the FAA, all the air controllers involved, the ASCE that did engineering reports.

    All with an absolute perfection of secrecy that has lasted 17 years? Absolute nonsense.

    Your own argument demonstrates the absurdity of the entire idea. 'After all the lies our government has been caught in'. Exactly. The government is ludicrously porous. There are leaks all the time. Contractors leak information, folks leak memos, there are whistleblowers, or people make plea deals.

    The conspiracy being described would have been absolutely enormous involving thousands if not tens of thousands of people. There is essentially no chance that this would be kept under wraps. None. And every year that goes by with no massive reveal.....just reduces the odds that it was a conspiracy.
     

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