On the topic of ethics: Gay television

[OCA]

Well lets see there was Pinochet in Chile whom they are syill discovering the graves of his victims, we arranged the Turks to invade Cyprus and they killed about 30,000 and made a permanent U.N. situation(the Turks slaughter Kurds), we supported the Contras in Nicaragua and their death squads, we supported and bankrolled a military junta in Greece who regularly rounded up and killed dissidents etc. etc. etc.

My point is we are responsible for alot of the hot spots and ongoing troubles in the world and yes I agree sometimes we have to get involved but we should also be man enough to say we fucked up, I mean i'll admit we fucked up with Sadaam, hell the guy gassed his own people with our products.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Well lets see there was Pinochet in Chile whom they are syill discovering the graves of his victims, we arranged the Turks to invade Cyprus and they killed about 30,000 and made a permanent U.N. situation(the Turks slaughter Kurds), we supported the Contras in Nicaragua and their death squads, we supported and bankrolled a military junta in Greece who regularly rounded up and killed dissidents etc. etc. etc.

My point is we are responsible for alot of the hot spots and ongoing troubles in the world and yes I agree sometimes we have to get involved but we should also be man enough to say we fucked up, I mean i'll admit we fucked up with Sadaam, hell the guy gassed his own people with our products.

Nope. In all these situations, had our global opponent gained influence, the devastation would've been worse.

 

[OCA]

Take each individual situation and explain how American interests were more important than their individual lives or freedoms. This is provided you know something about each of these situations, i'm especially interested to hear your take on the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and the CIA engineered military junta in Greece.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Take each individual situation and explain how American interests were more important than their individual lives or freedoms. This is provided you know something about each of these situations, i'm especially interested to hear your take on the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and the CIA engineered military junta in Greece.

You tell me how the future of the free world did not depend on keeping out communist influence. Are you a commie? Check out the devastation communism wrought on russia in all the gulags, oppression and such. Granted, we supported people who maybe carried ouT personal agendas and vendettas and regional revenge. they would have committed these acts regardless of which superpower bought their allegiance.

 

[OCA]

You tell me how the future of the free world did not depend on keeping out communist influence. Are you a commie? Check out the devastation communism wrought on russia in all the gulags, oppression and such. Granted, we supported people who maybe carried ouT personal agendas and vendettas and regional revenge. they would have committed these acts regardless of which superpower bought their allegiance.

Commie lol. Hey Archie Bunker the cold war ended about 12 years ago, wake up!

So as long as a country did not end up in the hands of communists 100's of thousands of dead are cool with you? I'm just saying that all of this preempting around the world we did you're sure that the lives taken by the dictators and thugs we propped up were all for the best? If you died at the hands of some U.S. undemocratically elected and backed thug you're parents would say "well damn at least it didn't fall into the hands of the communists. I'm still waiting for your take on, well just Cyprus since I don't want to overload you, or is it you are talking out your ass and have no clue what went on there with that asshole Nixon and Kissinger?

Your asking me if i'm a commie is weak, I expect better out of you.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Commie lol. Hey Archie Bunker the cold war ended about 12 years ago, wake up!

Well we were discussing the past, so give a rest mr. one liner.

So as long as a country did not end up in the hands of communists 100's of thousands of dead are cool with you? I'm just saying that all of this preempting around the world we did you're sure that the lives taken by the dictators and thugs we propped up were all for the best? If you died at the hands of some U.S. undemocratically elected and backed thug you're parents would say "well damn at least it didn't fall into the hands of the communists. I'm still waiting for your take on, well just Cyprus since I don't want to overload you, or is it you are talking out your ass and have no clue what went on there with that asshole Nixon and Kissinger?

Your asking me if i'm a commie is weak, I expect better out of you.

The good we've accomplished with our "ways" far exceeds the bad. Why you choose to focus on the negative is beyond me. I guess it's your inner lib coming out. Or else you just like arguing with me.
The past is meaningless out of context. Who can guess the devastation which would have resulted from a communist foothold in south america. And many parents ARE proud their children died defeating communism or naziism or whatever other evil needed to be done away with.

Context, boy. Context.

 

[OCA]

You think the mother of a kid on Cyprus feels that her son was a hero after he was bayoneted by Turks? Or the relatives of a man who was just found in a mass grave in Chile after being wasted by Pinochet?

BTW tell me about Cyprus, and a little clue, it has nothing to do with communism.

Also no need to guess the devastation brought on by American propping of dictators and thugs, its all recorded now. The funny thing is I agree with some of our actions but much of it has been a disaster and yeah we've given alot of aid over the years but still I don't think any intelligent person will still say that our support of oh lets say, Hussein in the 80's was not a major fuck up.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You think the mother of a kid on Cyprus feels that her son was a hero after he was bayoneted by Turks? Or the relatives of a man who was just found in a mass grave in Chile after being wasted by Pinochet?

BTW tell me about Cyprus, and a little clue, it has nothing to do with communism.

Also no need to guess the devastation brought on by American propping of dictators and thugs, its all recorded now. The funny thing is I agree with some of our actions but much of it has been a disaster and yeah we've given alot of aid over the years but still I don't think any intelligent person will still say that our support of oh lets say, Hussein in the 80's was not a major fuck up.

When it comes to global dominance and good and evil, it's a "big picture" scenario.

 

[OCA]

So i'll assume thats a no, you don't know what you're talking about. I gave you about 45 days to go back and brush up your debating skills but I see you attended the school of avoidance instead.

One question though, are American lives more valuable than lives of citizens of any other country? And no we aren't talking about all out war here, we are talking about lives taken by U.S. backed dictators and thugs or in covert actions.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

So i'll assume thats a no, you don't know what you're talking about. I gave you about 45 days to go back and brush up your debating skills but I see you attended the school of avoidance instead.

One question though, are American lives more valuable than lives of citizens of any other country? And no we aren't talking about all out war here, we are talking about lives taken by U.S. backed dictators and thugs or in covert actions.

Assume what you want. you are unable to view events in a greater context. American lives are not more valuable, but the systems of government we endorse and create serve populations more beneficially, regardless of race. Socialism kills.

 

[OCA]

Assume what you want. you are unable to view events in a greater context. American lives are not more valuable, but the systems of government we endorse and create serve populations more beneficially, regardless of race. Socialism kills.

How about Sadaam's government in the 80's? Was that beneficial?

Lol socialism kills, you still resort to that ol'one liner when losing an argument, your like Linus and his blanket.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

How about Sadaam's government in the 80's? Was that beneficial?

Lol socialism kills, you still resort to that ol'one liner when losing an argument, your like Linus and his blanket.

It did keep communism out of the region. That DOES matter. Anything else?

 

[OCA]

It did keep communism out of the region. That DOES matter. Anything else?

So keeping a form of government out is more important than individual lives, good to know.

Uh where do you stand on self determination? Was it good for us back in the 1700's but not good for individual countries in the 20th century where we were had interests?

 

[5stringJeff]

Since GayTV has devolved into communism, let's continue this conversation elsewhere.