On The 'Surge'

[maineman]

Again (and again and again), you made the assertion; the responsibility is entirely your own. Why is it so difficult to provide a simple quote with a link showing that Our President used the words that you stated?

Oh…and regarding Bush lying to us…..

There are just about a half a million hits on a google search for Bush administration + misleading claims + Saddam + Weapons of Mass Destruction. Here are a few…..

http://www.senate.gov/~levin/newsroom/release.cfm?id=249087

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/IraqOnRecord.html

http://www.bushoniraq.com/cheney5.html

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_07-08/iraqintel_julaug03.asp

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...cheney_on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda/

http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2004/0401souann.html

http://www.hermes-press.com/wmd_gate.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0205-27.htm

 

[red states rule]

I think Yankee's got something here.

You know I do. A bunch of rich white kids, at a southern school, rape a poor black women

Yea, that is how libs view the races

 

[glockmail]

Oh…and regarding Bush lying to us…..

There are just about a half a million hits on a google search for Bush administration + misleading claims + Saddam + Weapons of Mass Destruction. Here are a few….

Yet you repeat yourself.

What ever happened to "certainty and absence of doubt"?

 

[maineman]

http://www.bushoniraq.com/bush5.html

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons, he's got them."
Source: Remarks by the President at Missouri Welcome, White House (11/4/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"Not only has he got chemical weapons, but I want you to remember, he's used chemical weapons."
Source: Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"We not only know he's got chemical weapons, but incredibly enough he's used chemical weapons."
Source: President Talks Tax Cuts and Homeland Security in Iowa, White House (11/4/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"[Saddam Hussein is] a man who not only has chemical weapons, but he has used chemical weapons against some of his neighbors."
Source: Iraq Must Disarm Says President in South Dakota Speech, White House (11/3/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it claimed that Iraq's UAVs were intended and able to spread chemical or biological weapons, including over the United States, but failed to mention that the U.S. government agency most knowledgeable about UAVs and their potential applications, the Air Force's National Air and Space Intelligence Center, had the following view: the "U.S. Air Force does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological (CBW) agents."

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"[Iraq] possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

"In defiance of the United Nations, Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
Source: President: Iraqi Regime Danger to America is "Grave and Growing", White House (10/5/2002).


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Explanation This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


is that enough for now?

 

[red states rule]

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America�s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam�s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq�s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration�s policy towards Iraq, I don�t think there can be any question about Saddam�s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

 

[glockmail]

http://www.bushoniraq.com/bush5.html

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is that enough for now?

Where did Bush use the word “certain” or “absolute”? These “explanations” are merely opinions.

 

[maineman]

Where did Bush use the word “certain” or “absolute”? These “explanations” are merely opinions.

I said that team bush expressed absolute certainty. I said they claimed a total absense of doubt. both of those statements are accurate.

Do you want to count how many angels can dance on the head of a pin next?

what IS your point in this trivial line of inquiry?

 

[red states rule]

I said that team bush expressed absolute certainty. I said they claimed a total absense of doubt. both of those statements are accurate.

Do you want to count how many angels can dance on the head of a pin next?

what IS your point in this trivial line of inquiry?

You know Dems are losing when Chris Matthews starts slobbering how they are not doing their "job"

Chris Matthews: Bush Treats Congress Like Katrina, Ignores It
Posted by Geoffrey Dickens on February 14, 2007 - 10:37.
On last night's Hardball Chris Matthews, interviewing Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, was peeved that Democrats weren't pushing hard enough to have a vote on the surge. Citing polls in opposition to the surge a flustered Matthews worried Democrats were gonna roll over for the President and demanded Hoyer not let the President ignore Democrats like he ignored Katrina. In the first segment of the February 14th, Hardball Matthews declared to Hoyer: "He is gonna treat you, the first branch of the Constitution, as if you're Katrina, not to be paid attention to."

The following is the full question from Matthews:

Chris Matthews: "Well, we have a new poll that shows that seven, seven out of 10 Americans are watching Congress to see how they vote on this and they say that they vote and they say that if they vote the wrong way, they're going to remember that come election time. You know, Mr. Leader, you and I were grew up in a country where presidents were very attune to Congress and respectful of it, especially those who came out of Congress like Lyndon Johnson and John F. Kennedy and even Richard Nixon. They watched the Congress, they paid attention to it and they cared about its legislative duties. This President, and I know you respect him as we do, as President, but he came out and said the other day that he's not even gonna bother watching the floor debate. He doesn't even want to hear about it. He's got other things to do. He is gonna treat you, the first branch of the Constitution, as if you're Katrina, not to be paid attention to. Does that bother you constitutionally that the President doesn't think that this major debate on war is something he's not even gonna bother to watch on television?"
http://newsbusters.org/node/10823

 

[glockmail]

I said that team bush expressed absolute certainty. I said they claimed a total absense of doubt. both of those statements are accurate.

Both of those statements are clearly opinions. Correct?

 

[maineman]

Both of those statements are clearly opinions. Correct?

no...I think the quotes clearly back up my statements.

You do know, don't you...that when someone says that "there is no doubt" that that statement is synonymous with there being a total absence of doubt?


You understand, don't you the qualitative difference between, say, "there is NO DOUBT" and "there is LITTLE DOUBT"?

 

[red states rule]

General to NB: Blogs Incredibly Important, Americans Should Support Troops, Provide Resources
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on February 14, 2007 - 11:06.
Blogs such as NewsBusters are an "incredibly important" news medium whose influence will only continue to grow, a senior U.S. military official said today. Speaking from Baghdad, Major General William Caldwell, senior military spokesman in Iraq, made the remarks in the course of a conference call with bloggers in which this NewsBuster participated.

Said MG Caldwell in closing remarks: "Thanks for what you all do. I've just been amazed. What an incredible addition you are in helping tell what's going on. You're an incredibly important news medium, From what I've seen, [blogs have been] growing in importance from last May until now, and will only continue to grow in importance."


Caldwell also commented on the impact on the morale of US troops in Iraq of the current congressional debate. As MRC's Brent Baker has noted, there have been conflicting MSM reports on the attitudes of US troops on the ground.

Said Caldwell: "Everybody is listening to this debate in Washington. How is the debate in Washington affecting moral over here? I tell them that our troops know what's at stake in Iraq and they also know that the American public supports their efforts here. They're doing their mission, doing what they've been asked to do by our government. And the thing that our troops need most is is the continued support of the American people -- that's really key. That's a part that the American people can play -- to support these men and women and the civilians that are over here working, and to ensure also that the resources needed to accomplish this mission are available to them."

http://newsbusters.org/node/10825

 

[maineman]

you really are kind of lost when left to your own thoughts, aren't you? It seems that your repertoire really boils down to cut and paste and one liners.

why won't you ever answer those four questions I posed to you? typing the four one sylabble answers is clearly within your skill set.

 

[red states rule]

It seems libs get testy when they see how their defeatest antics pisses off the troops the claim to care about

 

[maineman]

It seems libs get testy when they see how their defeatest antics pisses off the troops the claim to care about

I am not testy at all. I am sorry if troops in Iraq are somehow negatively impacted by the vigorous debate over foreign policy which is a hallmark of our vibrant and healthy democracy. If there were no debate, they might not be negatively impacted, but they would ALSO be fighting and dying for a country that is much less free than the one they are fighting for now.

 

[red states rule]

I am not testy at all. I am sorry if troops in Iraq are somehow negatively impacted by the vigorous debate over foreign policy which is a hallmark of our vibrant and healthy democracy. If there were no debate, they might not be negatively impacted, but they would ALSO be fighting and dying for a country that is much less free than the one they are fighting for now.

Libs wish those damn troops, who are uneducated (per Kerry), Nazis like (per Durbin), run torture chambers (per ennedy), and who are fools to vote Republican in huge numbers, would just shut up

 

[glockmail]

[1]no...I think the quotes clearly back up my statements.

[2] You do know, don't you...that when someone says that "there is no doubt" that that statement is synonymous with there being a total absence of doubt?


You understand, don't you the qualitative difference between, say, "there is NO DOUBT" and "there is LITTLE DOUBT"?

1. So you admit that it is an opinion then.
2. I searched the page from your last lnk and the word "doubt" wasn't even found.

 

[glockmail]

I am not testy at all. I am sorry if troops in Iraq are somehow negatively impacted by the vigorous debate over foreign policy which is a hallmark of our vibrant and healthy democracy. If there were no debate, they might not be negatively impacted, but they would ALSO be fighting and dying for a country that is much less free than the one they are fighting for now.

Honest debate is one thing. Misleading the public and negative reporting by the MSM and Libs in general is quite another.

 

[maineman]

1. So you admit that it is an opinion then.
2. I searched the page from your last lnk and the word "doubt" wasn't even found.

no such admission whatsoever. The quotes speak for themselves.

if you didn't find "doubt" on the Bushoniraq website, you are incompetent when it comes to searching webpages

 

[maineman]

Honest debate is one thing. Misleading the public and negative reporting by the MSM and Libs in general is quite another.

again...from the party whose leaders told us they were certain that Saddam had WMD's and even knew where they were, accusations of "misleading" are cause for raucus bellylaughs.

I have never misled anyone about Iraq...and if you think that "if it bleeds, it leads" is a recent phenomenon of the media in America, or if you think such a philosophy has anywhere near as much to do with political perspective as it does with selling stuff, you really need to take a journalism class or two... "if it bleeds it leads" is as time honored in broadcast journalism as "tits above the fold" is in print journalism.

 

[red states rule]

again...from the party whose leaders told us they were certain that Saddam had WMD's and even knew where they were, accusations of "misleading" are cause for raucus bellylaughs.

I have never misled anyone about Iraq...and if you think that "if it bleeds, it leads" is a recent phenomenon of the media in America, or if you think such a philosophy has anywhere near as much to do with political perspective as it does with selling stuff, you really need to take a journalism class or two... "if it bleeds it leads" is as time honored in broadcast journalism as "tits above the fold" is in print journalism.

and do not forget the fact, I know you want to, alot of Dems said Saddam had WMD's as well