On The NSA 'Spying'

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    Excellent discussion starter here:

    http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/19543/

     
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    http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_12_11_corner-archive.asp#084896

     
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    At all sites, links are found. :laugh:

    http://coldfury.com/index.php/?p=6116

     
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    THere is no need for the NSA to be actively eavesdropping on US soil. Action can be taken by domestic agencies, and they have 72 hours in which to bring these actions to the FISA court, which has denied only a handful of actions since its inception.

    By authorizing NSA eavesdropping within the US, Dubbyuh overstepped his authority and Congress failed in its oversight duties, as they have since Dubbyuh took office. This imperial presidency cannot come to an end soon enough. I only hope he has the grace to resign before he disgraces himself by being impeached and removed from office.
     
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    clinton did the same thing.....
     
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    FISC had regular reports of this, according to the NYT story. It was kind of glossed over, but the courts had oversight as well. This would be all three branches of government with oversight of a program. Unlike project Echelon, in the 1990s up until 2000 the NSA monitored, with software and without court warrant, every digital communication in the US. This was authorized by another President.

    For those that don't remember Echelon was a project that had no oversight from any other branch of the government whatsoever. It authorized the NSA to use the Echelon software to monitor digital communications and flag for direct intel inspection all communications tagged with certain words. It was reported in the news and was an international controversy. The lefties all got behind their guy though....

    At least Bush's had reports to FISC (Foreign Intel Surveillance Court) and the Senate Intel committee, when there were questions from FISC the project was put on hold until the objections were handled then reopened. This is clearly evidence of oversight by the courts as well as the Senators like Mr. Harry Reid, who admitted finally that he had been part of the oversight and voiced no objection until after the story was reported.

    This will backfire if they keep attempting to lay this at only the Executive's feet. All three branches were in on it, including the Minority Party. They might want to rethink this tactic.

    This kind of thing keeps up we might have a Libertarian Party landslide in the next election!
     
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    Does anybody else 'not care'? I couldn't give two rat's asses if the Govt feels the need to tap my phone or take images of my house, from space. They do so on at least the idea I may be doing something wrong. More power to 'em.

    Why people get so worked up over this stuff is beyond me.
     
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    I agree. Tap my phones, you'll be bored.

    Check my computer, you'll be very disappointed.

    If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
     
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    It's like...

    FBI...you see a brother you THINK is a terrorist...shake him down. You THINK I'm a terrorist? Bet your ass...shake me down.
     

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