On the new ideology of the Republican Party

[LordBrownTrout]

Samson, is this another production? WC, what are your implications with "preventative health care"? This surely would entail government edicts/regulations on what we eat?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Samson, is this another production? WC, what are your implications with "preventative health care"? This surely would entail government edicts/regulations on what we eat?

No implications whatsoever. The way I see it, the cost of treatment for chronic and mostly preventable disease grows the later treatment begins.

So, if we were to invest in community health centers, one in each Congressional District (some large in area might need two or even three smaller clinics) and provided all pregnant women with prenatal care, their babies with well baby checks and inoculations, and regular physicals as they grew to age 21.

Free vaccines for flu and pneumonia and other communicable disease for all adults and free lab tests for chronic disease, These and educational classes free on many preventative health care topics, including drug and alcohol abuse and obesity, will drive down the costs for future treatments, reduce the cost to business and industry for work lost and Americans would be happier and healthier and more productive.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Building Health Clinics in each Congressional District, 535 plus a few extra would provide jobs, both temporary construction jobs and long term clerical, technical and professional career jobs. Grants for service would provide Federal dollars to students who attend and complete necessary training to fill the technical jobs, forgiving the student the cost of his or her education if they chose to work in such clinics for a predetermined period of time. Medical student too, including RN's and Nurse Practitioners might benefit from such grants for service too.

 

[Brutus]

The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people

Of course if it is against government that means the people have
the power. A liberal will lack the IQ to understand that to be a party of the people one must be opposed to government. America was formed to be about opposition to government. Perhaps you would be happier in Cuba?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people

Of course if it is against government that means the people have
the power. A liberal will lack the IQ to understand that to be a party of the people one must be opposed to government. America was formed to be about opposition to government. Perhaps you would be happier in Cuba?

Thanks for sharing. Is CrusaderFrank your tutor?

So, I appreciate your lesson on the history of our nation, I never knew those who designed our system of government wanted a direct democracy. I always believed our system of government was a product of compromise. I suppose my attendance at a liberal university was biased by the liberal professors and TA's at CAL.

 

[Brutus]

Thanks for sharing. Is CrusaderFrank your tutor?

dear, I think its more accurate to say that Thomas Jefferson has tutored us both that his study of history revealed that liberal government was the source of evil. Jefferson knew that without even seeing the 20th century. You have seen it but lack the IQ to know what you saw. Do you wonder why the liberals spied for Stalin?

So, I appreciate your lesson on the history of our nation, I never knew those who designed our system of government wanted a direct democracy.

If I said or implied they did I'll pay you $10,000 Bet??? or run away with your straw man

I always believed our system of government was a product of compromise.

yes exactly!! compromise between those who wanted freedom from liberal government and those who wanted more freedom from liberal government

I suppose my attendance at a liberal university was biased by the liberal professors and TA's at CAL.

why would you say that? Is it because 97% of them admit to being brain dead liberals following each other in lock step?

Can you say anything intelligent in defense of liberalism or is always changing the subject your way of showing us you're liberal and slow?

 

[Flopper]

Hey Wry.... try to start a new business, any business, and you will see that there is a mile high pile of regs you must adhere to.

Its no wonder companies are moving overseas! That and the outrageous tax rates.

You libs, and that includes lots of Repubix too, are too stupid to see the problem.

The EPA needs to be reminded that they work for us, not the other way around.

You're correct in one respect. There are too many regulations a new business must comply with before opening their doors to customers. Each hoop also requires a fee, a permit or an inspection or all of those listed. Many are local regulations, municipal or county, some state and some federal. It is a legitimate argument and I support reform.

Where you're wrong is that I'm stupid or a far left wack job. The EPA does work for us, what the far left wack jobs want is for the EPA to be eliminated so that industry can do what industry does without being policed. That I oppose for the reason elucidated in the OP.

Tax policy needs to be changed, and government needs revenue. I oppose the elimination of Social Security and Medicare, and support Universal PREVENTATIVE health care as a government funded function. With service provided by the private sector, not doctors/nurses/techs employed by the government. I support a nominal tax on every transaction of stocks, bonds and other securities (.25 cents for every transaction, no matter the size) to fund a national health care initiative.

Now, I must run but I believe this debate has only begun and if the fools stay away it might become an honest an open discussion. So, CrusaderFrank, Rabbi, Whitehall, please go away and post your foolish extreme and childish personal attacks elsewhere.

In the two businesses I have had ownership, federal regulation was never a problem. I found state and local regulations far more of a problem than federal. Regardless of the size of your business, you can always have a problem with some federal regulation, particularly environmental, however I suspect most small businesses's regulation problems are mostly state and local.

Thinking that gutting federal environmental laws are a solution to our economic problems is a real stretch of the imagination. China has some of the strongest environmental regulations you will find anywhere. Brazil which sports a strong economic recovery passed in 1998 what is considered to be one of the strongest and most completed environmental laws. In fact, most countries with strong environmental laws are doing at least as well or better economically than the US.

 

[Brutus]

China has some of the strongest environmental regulations you will find anywhere.

1) China had to shut down an entire city to clear the air for the olympics

2) China opens new coal plant every week. How do you think 1.3 billion people grow at 10% a year????

3)new coal in China adds more new pollution to the air every week than England produces in an entire year from all sources.

 

[FactFinder]

On the new ideology of the Republican Party

"Ideology"? I thought that was a search for the perfect path. I see no evidence of that from either party.

Seems they are all in it for themselves.

 

[Brutus]

On the new ideology of the Republican Party

"Ideology"? I thought that was a search for the perfect path. I see no evidence of that from either party.

Seems they are all in it for themselves.

of course thats idiotic. Republicans are for freedom from liberal government just as Jefferson was

 

[Flopper]

China has some of the strongest environmental regulations you will find anywhere.

1) China had to shut down an entire city to clear the air for the olympics

2) China opens new coal plant every week. How do you think 1.3 billion people grow at 10% a year????

3)new coal in China adds more new pollution to the air every week than England produces in an entire year from all sources.

Which is exactly the reason why they have adopted such strong environmental regulations. China has no option but to address pollution. 400,000 in China are dying prematurely due to air pollution. 70% of the rivers in China are too polluted to be used as source for drinking water.

 

[Flopper]

What work does the EPA do for us?
If companies illegally pollute they can be takne to court to remedy the situation. We don't need an EPA promulgating regulations for that. The spectre of large fines and court costs should keep companies in line. Regulations will not be effective in preventing intentional abuse.

Ecological disasters can cost billions in cleanup and resulting lawsuits, destroy lives, property, and businesses. The purpose of the EPA is not to sue people but rather to prevent environmental disasters such as the Love Canal, Picher, Oklahoma Lead Contamination, and Alabama PCB Poisoning.

It’s not shocking that top business executives are openly supporting EPA regulations. Businesses require certainty and reliability so they can plan ahead and make the proper investments needed now to prosper down the road. Having EPA guidance and certification of compliance provides businesses with important assurance that they are in compliance with the law.

When it comes to the environment, an once of prevention is certainly worth a pound of cure. What you suggest is ridiculous, dealing with environmental problems only after they occur in the courts.

 

[Brutus]

Which is exactly the reason why they have adopted such strong environmental regulations. China has no option but to address pollution. 400,000 in China are dying prematurely due to air pollution. 70% of the rivers in China are too polluted to be used as source for drinking water.

strong regulations in China????????????????


1) China had to shut down an entire city to clear the air for the olympics

2) China opens new coal plant every week. How do you think 1.3 billion people grow an economy at 10% a year????

3)new coal in China adds more new pollution to the air every week than England produces in an entire year from all sources.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly the reason why they have adopted such strong environmental regulations. China has no option but to address pollution. 400,000 in China are dying prematurely due to air pollution. 70% of the rivers in China are too polluted to be used as source for drinking water.

As a liberal you can't think. In fact its the definition of liberal

 

[The Rabbi]

What work does the EPA do for us?
If companies illegally pollute they can be takne to court to remedy the situation. We don't need an EPA promulgating regulations for that. The spectre of large fines and court costs should keep companies in line. Regulations will not be effective in preventing intentional abuse.

Ecological disasters can cost billions in cleanup and resulting lawsuits, destroy lives, property, and businesses. The purpose of the EPA is not to sue people but rather to prevent environmental disasters such as the Love Canal, Picher, Oklahoma Lead Contamination, and Alabama PCB Poisoning.

It’s not shocking that top business executives are openly supporting EPA regulations. Businesses require certainty and reliability so they can plan ahead and make the proper investments needed now to prosper down the road. Having EPA guidance and certification of compliance provides businesses with important assurance that they are in compliance with the law.

When it comes to the environment, an once of prevention is certainly worth a pound of cure. What you suggest is ridiculous, dealing with environmental problems only after they occur in the courts.

Yes! You have ouitlined the problem exactly. The EPA lives in fear of environmental disasters. To make sure that never happens they will scotch a million decent projects if they even think there might be a suspicion of some environmental damage, no matter how minute.
We do not live in a risk free world. To pretend that gov't can solves problems in advance of their existence is absurd.
THe issue is not the EPA's guidelines. The issue is that the change and increase those guidelines without regard to consequences.

 

[Wiseacre]

Wry, you kinda open yourself up for attacks because of the way you frame your OP. It's like you're looking for a fight rather than a serious discussion, which is fine if that's what you want.

Far as I know, the official GOP economic plan does not include ending regulations, just reducing them to what is actually needed and makes economic sense. When has Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, or any of the GOP candidates said we should eliminate all regs?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

Cuyahoga River Fire - Ohio History Central - A product of the Ohio Historical Society

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe./I]

Worth repeating with this caveat, "Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe"; even their supporters, those callous conservatives and echo chamber members who post on this MB would be excluded from the Republcian tent. They're simply to dumb to know it.

 

[Brutus]

Wry, you kinda open yourself up for attacks because of the way you frame your OP. It's like you're looking for a fight rather than a serious discussion, which is fine if that's what you want.

Far as I know, the official GOP economic plan does not include ending regulations, just reducing them to what is actually needed and makes economic sense. When has Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, or any of the GOP candidates said we should eliminate all regs?

so true actually the GOP is for very strong regulations that encourage capitalism, just not regulations that encourage socialism.

When consumers are free they regulate 1000's of businesses out of business every month. When liberals end competition as they did in health care, for example, no one goes out of business and costs go through the roof and poverty reaches soviet levels.

 

[The Rabbi]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

Cuyahoga River Fire - Ohio History Central - A product of the Ohio Historical Society

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe./I]

Worth repeating with this caveat, "Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe"; even their supporters, those callous conservatives and echo chamber members who post on this MB would be excluded from the Republcian tent. They're simply to dumb to know it.

Repeating yourself confirms your stupidity. No Republican wants to end govt regulation.
Billionaires like Warren Buffett and Jeff Immelt support Obama. Don't you read the papers?
This "The GOP only represents the rich" has been debunked so many times, and the opposite proven so many times, one wonders why you would bother, except to show off your gross stupidity and ignorance.

 

[Brutus]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party .

if you have evidence that Republicans want to end regulations I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal tail between your legs

 

[The Rabbi]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party .

if you have evidence that Republicans want to end regulations I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal tail between your legs

You'll get no response other than ranting, if that. Wry is incapable of making an argument and supporting it with facts. The really sad part is that he is probably one of the most enlightened geniuses of the Democratic Party just by comparison.