On the new ideology of the Republican Party

[Wry Catcher]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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[Ropey]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

History does not suggest otherwise. US history shows that the greatest expansion has been when business is allowed to flourish.

Compromise is necessary but I think both sides need to move to their respective positions as they have merged their lines so much that it's hard to see just what they stand for with both sides pandering to the media.

Regardless of their ideologies. Rather useless stagnation might be better than a heavy sided Liberal agenda imo. :

 

[whitehall]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

Jeez, there was a time when increasing the profits of American industry was a good thing. What a difference a socialist administration makes.

 

[The Rabbi]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

Current push tp end regulations? Really? Care to link to anyone who says we should end regulations?
No, dumbshit. The push is to cut back the reams of new regulations emanating from Washington's back end that serve no purpose but to make people's lives miserable and expensive.
Allowing industry to act in their own best interests sounds like a great idea to me. They know what is in their best interests better than Washington. Remember when Obama wanted to run GM?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

History does not suggest otherwise. US history shows that the greatest expansion has been when business is allowed to flourish.

Compromise is necessary but I think both sides need to move to their respective positions as they have merged their lines so much that it's hard to see just what they stand for with both sides pandering to the media.

Regardless of their ideologies. Rather useless stagnation might be better than a heavy sided Liberal agenda imo. :

Is preventing the types of abuse noted in the OP "a heavy sided liberal agenda"? The "jobs" bills pushed by the Republican House are IMO a heavy sided ideological agenda. The links posted in the OP are real products of a deregulated industry. Do you support the elimination of the EPA?

 

[The Rabbi]

That is the mode of the left: we need regulations to prevent world catastrophe.
The regs are ineffective. The financial industry has been one of the msot heavily regulated since the Depressoon. That didnt stop any number of financial scandals. The oil drilling industry is heavily regulated. But that didnt stop the BP oil spill.
But all of these regulations do stop innovation and increased productivity in the industries affected.

You might want to go look at a book called The Death of Commonsense. I think it may be banned in CA, I don't know. He detailsa case where the EPA laid out regulations for worker safety in a chemical plant. The regs concerned a certain valve that methane passed through. The plant had never had an issue with this valve and it's concern was only potential. Nontheless the EPA was adamant they the co adopt expensive new valves to stop this "problem." Eventually the management invited the regulators to the plant. They showed them the valve. Then they showed them the end of the pipeline where methane was spewing out into the atmosphere. The regulators had caused a huge financial drain on something that wasn't a concern at all while failing to address something that should have been, because they didnt know anything about chemical plants.

 

[Ropey]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

History does not suggest otherwise. US history shows that the greatest expansion has been when business is allowed to flourish.

Compromise is necessary but I think both sides need to move to their respective positions as they have merged their lines so much that it's hard to see just what they stand for with both sides pandering to the media.

Regardless of their ideologies. Rather useless stagnation might be better than a heavy sided Liberal agenda imo. :

Is preventing the types of abuse noted in the OP "a heavy sided liberal agenda"? The "jobs" bills pushed by the Republican House are IMO a heavy sided ideological agenda. The links posted in the OP are real products of a deregulated industry. Do you support the elimination of the EPA?

It's not about my support. It's about what's happening in reality. Libs are in power and you are talking about heavy handed ideological agendas.

Libs are in power and they need to find some way to work. If they don't, then they are at issue, not their opponents.

Get to work does not only apply to the OWS imo.

 

[Wry Catcher]

History does not suggest otherwise. US history shows that the greatest expansion has been when business is allowed to flourish.

Compromise is necessary but I think both sides need to move to their respective positions as they have merged their lines so much that it's hard to see just what they stand for with both sides pandering to the media.

Regardless of their ideologies. Rather useless stagnation might be better than a heavy sided Liberal agenda imo. :

Is preventing the types of abuse noted in the OP "a heavy sided liberal agenda"? The "jobs" bills pushed by the Republican House are IMO a heavy sided ideological agenda. The links posted in the OP are real products of a deregulated industry. Do you support the elimination of the EPA?

It's not about my support. It's about what's happening in reality. Libs are in power and you are talking about heavy handed ideological agendas.

Libs are in power and they need to find some way to work. If they don't, then they are at issue, not their opponents.

Get to work does not only apply to the OWS imo.

I really don't understand. Which heavy handed regulations do you feel must be modified/eliminated? Some on the right are calling for the elimination of the EPA, which prompted my question. Historical evidence suggests wiithout regulations abuses will occur. My links are evidence that this is true.

I understand how regulations can and do restrict new and exisiting business and industry, and have acknowledged it takes government too long to approve projects. I also understand that there are extremists on the left who oppose all development as well as extremists on the right who oppose all regulations.

I simply want an honest debate, here, and in Congress. And that is the Gordian knot waiting for a leader to sever. Because I want an honest debate, I usually ignore Rabbi and whitehall who are representative of of a small minority of rigid ideologues.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.

You're an idiot

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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You're still an idiot

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thanks for sharing CrusaderFrank, you're opinions remain substantive and thought provoking as usual.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thanks for sharing CrusaderFrank, you're opinions remain substantive and thought provoking as usual.

Are you auditioning for the part of Rdean's trusty Republican hating sidekick? It's a little boring the when the first guy has it, maybe you can find some other malfunction?

 

[The Infidel]

Hey Wry.... try to start a new business, any business, and you will see that there is a mile high pile of regs you must adhere to.

Its no wonder companies are moving overseas! That and the outrageous tax rates.

You libs, and that includes lots of Repubix too, are too stupid to see the problem.

The EPA needs to be reminded that they work for us, not the other way around.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hey Wry.... try to start a new business, any business, and you will see that there is a mile high pile of regs you must adhere to.

Its no wonder companies are moving overseas! That and the outrageous tax rates.

You libs, and that includes lots of Repubix too, are too stupid to see the problem.

The EPA needs to be reminded that they work for us, not the other way around.

You're correct in one respect. There are too many regulations a new business must comply with before opening their doors to customers. Each hoop also requires a fee, a permit or an inspection or all of those listed. Many are local regulations, municipal or county, some state and some federal. It is a legitimate argument and I support reform.

Where you're wrong is that I'm stupid or a far left wack job. The EPA does work for us, what the far left wack jobs want is for the EPA to be eliminated so that industry can do what industry does without being policed. That I oppose for the reason elucidated in the OP.

Tax policy needs to be changed, and government needs revenue. I oppose the elimination of Social Security and Medicare, and support Universal PREVENTATIVE health care as a government funded function. With service provided by the private sector, not doctors/nurses/techs employed by the government. I support a nominal tax on every transaction of stocks, bonds and other securities (.25 cents for every transaction, no matter the size) to fund a national health care initiative.

Now, I must run but I believe this debate has only begun and if the fools stay away it might become an honest an open discussion. So, CrusaderFrank, Rabbi, Whitehall, please go away and post your foolish extreme and childish personal attacks elsewhere.

 

[The Rabbi]

What work does the EPA do for us?
If companies illegally pollute they can be takne to court to remedy the situation. We don't need an EPA promulgating regulations for that. The spectre of large fines and court costs should keep companies in line. Regulations will not be effective in preventing intentional abuse.

 

[The Infidel]

What work does the EPA do for us?
If companies illegally pollute they can be takne to court to remedy the situation. We don't need an EPA promulgating regulations for that. The spectre of large fines and court costs should keep companies in line. Regulations will not be effective in preventing intentional abuse.

Its more fun to say Repubix like dirty air and dirty water

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well two fools posted their opinions. No one suggests Republicans like dirty air or dirty water; but acid rain and burning rivers once existed in our country; the fools only response is hyperbole since they cannot dispute the facts.

Regulations do slow development down, no one argues with that conclusion. Fools howerver want it their way, I'm simply suggesting that we don't toss out all regualtions and agencies which protect our air, water, food, drugs and safety when on our roads, waterways and airways. The fools never describe what regulations they object too, likely because fools don't usually have a clue. An honest debate is one where issues and regulations are well defined, cost-benefits and cost-negatives are evaluated with open minds by men and women of good character and good will.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you want to see the most fouled, polluted and most dangerous places on Earth, visit any Progressive Utopia.

East Germany was a fucking skank hole, so is North Korea and Haiti

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you want to see the most fouled, polluted and most dangerous places on Earth, visit any Progressive Utopia.

East Germany was a fucking skank hole, so is North Korea and Haiti

All of the east bloc soviet satellite nations had serious pollution problems, not because they were progressive, in fact all including the Soviet Union were conservative an authoritarian. Your ignorance in such matters is impressive. That you are not embarrassed by your posts is incredible.