On the new ideology of the Republican Party

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    The current push to end government regulations by the Republican Party is both dangerous and myopic. It is wholly focused on increasing the profits of American Industry - both heavy and financial - at the expense of our environment and our children.

    Consider these historical consequences of deregulation:

    Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPA

    What is Acid Rain? | Acid Rain | US EPA

    http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1642

    The GOP worries about the debt and its effect on our children and grandchildren; so do I. I'd rather they pay taxes tomorrow then suffer the consequences of industrial pollution.

    The debate is all about ideology, the Republican ideology is to allow industry - heavy and financial - the freedom to act in their own self interest, using a rational that these industries will be good citizens. History suggests otherwise.

    I do see compromise on permits and such as a viable and win - win possibility; I do not see it as long as the Eric Cantor's control the House of Representatives. The GOP has become radicalized, it is no longer a party of the people, and likely has not been so for decades. Yet, it once pretended to be a big tent; today the tent has room only for billionaires and their industrial lobbyists and Wall Street's Masters of the Universe.
     
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    History does not suggest otherwise. US history shows that the greatest expansion has been when business is allowed to flourish.

    Compromise is necessary but I think both sides need to move to their respective positions as they have merged their lines so much that it's hard to see just what they stand for with both sides pandering to the media.

    Regardless of their ideologies. Rather useless stagnation might be better than a heavy sided Liberal agenda imo. :
     
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    Jeez, there was a time when increasing the profits of American industry was a good thing. What a difference a socialist administration makes.
     
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    Current push tp end regulations? Really? Care to link to anyone who says we should end regulations?
    No, dumbshit. The push is to cut back the reams of new regulations emanating from Washington's back end that serve no purpose but to make people's lives miserable and expensive.
    Allowing industry to act in their own best interests sounds like a great idea to me. They know what is in their best interests better than Washington. Remember when Obama wanted to run GM?
     
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    Is preventing the types of abuse noted in the OP "a heavy sided liberal agenda"? The "jobs" bills pushed by the Republican House are IMO a heavy sided ideological agenda. The links posted in the OP are real products of a deregulated industry. Do you support the elimination of the EPA?
     
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    That is the mode of the left: we need regulations to prevent world catastrophe.
    The regs are ineffective. The financial industry has been one of the msot heavily regulated since the Depressoon. That didnt stop any number of financial scandals. The oil drilling industry is heavily regulated. But that didnt stop the BP oil spill.
    But all of these regulations do stop innovation and increased productivity in the industries affected.

    You might want to go look at a book called The Death of Commonsense. I think it may be banned in CA, I don't know. He detailsa case where the EPA laid out regulations for worker safety in a chemical plant. The regs concerned a certain valve that methane passed through. The plant had never had an issue with this valve and it's concern was only potential. Nontheless the EPA was adamant they the co adopt expensive new valves to stop this "problem." Eventually the management invited the regulators to the plant. They showed them the valve. Then they showed them the end of the pipeline where methane was spewing out into the atmosphere. The regulators had caused a huge financial drain on something that wasn't a concern at all while failing to address something that should have been, because they didnt know anything about chemical plants.
     
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    It's not about my support. It's about what's happening in reality. Libs are in power and you are talking about heavy handed ideological agendas.

    Libs are in power and they need to find some way to work. If they don't, then they are at issue, not their opponents.

    Get to work does not only apply to the OWS imo. :)
     
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    I really don't understand. Which heavy handed regulations do you feel must be modified/eliminated? Some on the right are calling for the elimination of the EPA, which prompted my question. Historical evidence suggests wiithout regulations abuses will occur. My links are evidence that this is true.

    I understand how regulations can and do restrict new and exisiting business and industry, and have acknowledged it takes government too long to approve projects. I also understand that there are extremists on the left who oppose all development as well as extremists on the right who oppose all regulations.

    I simply want an honest debate, here, and in Congress. And that is the Gordian knot waiting for a leader to sever. Because I want an honest debate, I usually ignore Rabbi and whitehall who are representative of of a small minority of rigid ideologues.
     
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    You're an idiot
     

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