On the Dole Again

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    by Michael D. Tanner

    Michael D. Tanner is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and the author of The Poverty of Welfare: Helping Others in Civil Society and other books.

    Added to cato.org on February 13, 2009

    This article appeared in the New York Post on February 13, 2009

    Full article here On the Dole Again

    Signing Welfare reform was one of the great things Clinton did. It ended a System that encouraged States to keep people on the roles, in order to keep getting Federal Funds.

    This is a giant step backwards, and a giant step toward a welfare state.

    Breeding dependency, and waste.
     
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    does this mean they were right when they called Obama a socialist?
     
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    Were we socialists prior to the 1996 reforms?
     
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    Good question. Speaking off the cuff, I would say in a way yes.
     
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    How so?
     
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    welfare reform is and always will be a joke...here in nc they had work programs where you worked 8 hours and got paid for 30...nice job if you can get it...methadone clinics...all paid for with medicare...if you have custody of the child you can get medicare and it will pay for the custodial parents and the child...lots of custody fights are no more than battles over who gets the welfare benefits...people play the system...work the in and outs of it...have a child and get a free ride..hud..food stamps...free day care...i am always amazed at how a welfare queen can do so well...

    i am not an anti help person...i believe in giving people help but not a free ride?
     
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    Starving people make lousy citizens.

    If the folks at CATO truly hate welfare, they ought to be against FREE TRADE which is making it so very necessary.

    Are they?
     
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    Did you read what they had to say? Where did they say they hated Welfare? They are simply pointing out that prior to 1996 our system encouraged States to keep people on the roles. Why because the more people on the rolls, the more Federal Money they had access to.

    The Reforms Clinton Signed were aimed at ending Abuse, and waste in welfare. They were aimed at creating incentives to get off of welfare and back to work, and removing incentives to do the opposite. They were not aimed at ending Welfare.

    To try and say they are simply against Welfare is disingenuous at best, and Dishonest at worst Edict, and I think you know that.

    Can not a reasonable Man such as yourself see that we need some kind of Control? That we should not just hand out Welfare with out trying to get people off of it? That maybe it is not wise to have a system that rewards the states with the most people on Welfare. WITH MORE MONEY??

    Please somebody with Reason talk to me here.
     
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    Not sure it proves that, but it does reinforce the Claim That I and others have been saying for over a year now.

    Obama will spend WAY MORE than Bush did, and the same Democrats who cried about 700 Billion In Iraq, will be silent as Obama, and Congress spend 3 times that much each year.
     
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    On the dole again is so true but once again it is the corporate failures on the dole. Fail, then shout the sky is falling and presto chango corporate welfare flows. Where would these financial geniuses be without welfare?

    "Wall Street is really predicated on greed"
    Sharon Smith: Greed Pays
    The Conservative Nanny State

    "An unequal society cannot help but be an unjust society. The most important item that parents in any society try to buy is a head start for their children. And the wealthier they are, the bigger the head start. Societies that promise equality of opportunity thus cannot afford to allow inequality of outcomes to become too great."

    Inequality on the March by J. Bradford DeLong
    Project Syndicate

    Poverty
     

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