On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs

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    On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
     
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    Who's got time to read your version of "War an Peas"? I'll just take your word fo it.

    Gunny's right...any body dissagree? Didn't think so!

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    I never bore of that excerpt from Grossman.
     
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    Thank you. :)
     
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    I agree with this guy 100% but I also think a sheep can become a sheep dog in a matter of seconds. :)
     
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    I've met LTC Grossman. One intense individual.

    His book "On Killing" should be required reading for everyone in the military and/or law enforcement.
     
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    You see that f-18 zoom over your head?

    By definition, the sheep cannot be the sheepdog. The sheepdog protects the flock. Always. The sheep might try to protect itself and its own and get lucky, but will revert back to being a sheep the second the personal threat is over.
     
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    Why does writing, sentiments like that remind me of the Nazi youth corps or the Maoist youth corps or the Japanese youth corps before their attempts to conquer the world because they were warriors and warriors are good and the others sheep. And why does it remind me of HS boys offering each other out, some hoping the other would step down and never offering to fight with someone whose reputation regardless of size was they would fight you no matter what. Or remind me of how immature braggadocio can be and how stupid and how often throughout history, so tragic. Words that like are often used by those who stir up trouble, listen to Bush Jr or Cheney, two draft dodgers, who had they served may have saved a great many tears.

    "All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." George Orwell


    "We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil. War gives us a feeling of moral clarity that we lack at other times." Sam Keen
     
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    Perhaps you will never understand the sheepdog, so you project.
     
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    It is not a bad thing to be a sheep in this matter. Grossman does not cast any values on the sheepdog and sheep as to which one is better morally. I know I am a sheep.
     

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