On filibusters

[Charles_Main]

What meeting do you reference? BTW, Solyndra was a $500,000 "bondoggle"; Iraq cost us $10 Billion per month and the lives of too many Americans for years. Both were funding by votes in the Senate.

Solyndra, by itself, cost that much, how much does corporate welfare cost?

By the way, the Senate did not vote on the Solyndra loan, stop lying.

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Money came from the Stimulus, but the Stimulus did not mention Solyndra or any other Company by name. It left who got what up to the Discretion of Bureaucrats in the Obama Admin at the Dept of Energy in this case. This Obama admin used the Green Energy spending part of the Stimulus as a campaign war chest, to reward supporters and assure they again supported Obama.

It's the Blue Print for Holding the WH for a very long time. Who cares about a billion dollar Campaign when you can spend Hundreds of Billions of Dollars of tax payers money on "Stimulus" and pick and choose your supporters as those who receive the money.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Solyndra, by itself, cost that much, how much does corporate welfare cost?

By the way, the Senate did not vote on the Solyndra loan, stop lying.

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Money came from the Stimulus, but the Stimulus did not mention Solyndra or any other Company by name. It left who got what up to the Discretion of Bureaucrats in the Obama Admin at the Dept of Energy in this case.

So ... ? Was I lying, mistaken or correct? Did Congress approve the funds for the act which funded Solyndar? Yes, and the Senate voted for the act from which Solyndra was funded!

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Money came from the Stimulus, but the Stimulus did not mention Solyndra or any other Company by name. It left who got what up to the Discretion of Bureaucrats in the Obama Admin at the Dept of Energy in this case.

So ... ? Was I lying, mistaken or correct? Did Congress approve the funds for the act which funded Solyndar? Yes, and the Senate voted for the act from which Solyndra was funded!

That's like saying Congress approved the My Lai Massacre because it funded the military.
FAIL.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What meeting do you reference? BTW, Solyndra was a $500,000 "bondoggle"; Iraq cost us $10 Billion per month and the lives of too many Americans for years. Both were funding by votes in the Senate.

Solyndra, by itself, cost that much, how much does corporate welfare cost?

By the way, the Senate did not vote on the Solyndra loan, stop lying.

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Senate approved the loan program, which was funded by the House. How the money was spent was left to the discretion of the executive branch. Forgive me for assuming you were intelligent enough to understand this and calling you a liar when you are merely stupid.

You claim McConnell made it his number one priority to make Obama a one term president, yet you have no idea what meeting I am referring to. I would assume you are lying but you already demonstrated an uncanny level of ignorance, so perhaps you are just stupid.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Solyndra, by itself, cost that much, how much does corporate welfare cost?

By the way, the Senate did not vote on the Solyndra loan, stop lying.

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Senate approved the loan program, which was funded by the House. How the money was spent was left to the discretion of the executive branch. Forgive me for assuming you were intelligent enough to understand this and calling you a liar when you are merely stupid.

You claim McConnell made it his number one priority to make Obama a one term president, yet you have no idea what meeting I am referring to. I would assume you are lying but you already demonstrated an uncanny level of ignorance, so perhaps you are just stupid.

I made no reference to any meeting; McConnell stated his number one goal several times. Do I need to post a UTube video of his remarks?

Clearly you're an asshole, but I digress. In the context of the discussion I'm not lying or stupid (though your usual ad hominem attack is noted). You're kind hold the Democrats accountable for the Iraq fiasco because some Democrats gave Bush permission to invade and occupy that country. Yep, not knowing Bush would do something so idiotic doesn't not absolve them of this mistaken vote. The same can be said for every member of the Senate who voted for the stimulus act.

But, the point of the thread is (or was) a discussion on the filibuster and the manner in which you defended it.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Senate approved the loan program, which was funded by the House. How the money was spent was left to the discretion of the executive branch. Forgive me for assuming you were intelligent enough to understand this and calling you a liar when you are merely stupid.

You claim McConnell made it his number one priority to make Obama a one term president, yet you have no idea what meeting I am referring to. I would assume you are lying but you already demonstrated an uncanny level of ignorance, so perhaps you are just stupid.

Clearly you're an asshole, but I digress. In the context of the discussion I'm not lying or stupid.

True. You're both.
And a cocksucker.

 

[Wry Catcher]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc]Mitch McConnell: Top Priority, Make Obama a One Term President - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Trajan]

I get that; that said our government is gridlocked by ideology. The American voter, generally, won't abide by extreme changes and sets a course correction, seemingly every year.

[I don't know that the R's were ignored; clearly they were opposed to the idea of health care reform ideologically. The harsh rhetoric (Communism! Socialism!) from the right and even elected officials pretty much effected the R's ability to provide mature and responsible input into the need for health care reform in our nation.]

If the majority of the American voters were displeased by Obamacare, Romney's promise to repeal it on day one would have carried the day. Honest and educated people understood that Obamacare is not socialized medicine, that reform to our system of health care was necessary and voted to continue it (Obamacare).

If in 2016 Obamacare is a failure, the R's will carry the day and try to repeal it. If the Senate rules continue unabated, however, now that the Supreme Court has rule upon it, Obamacare will likely remain in effect for the foreseeable future. If it carries out its promises, even those opposed may learn to love it. However, those who feel their Golden Goose has been murdered will continue to work their ways with the Members of Congress they own.

Paying for it is the concern. It is up to Congress and the President to come to agreement on taxes, spending and priorities. But, that requires compromise and it appears that the most radical Republicans consider compromised to be the works of a RINO.

I don't remember Reid whinging about gridlock in 2004, why does he have a problem now?

Ask Reid. While you're at it ask McConnell why he choose to Nullify the election of President Obama and make his number priority to ensure President Obama was a one term President. Abject failure on his part, even partisan hacks must agree. Huh windbag?

because he got caught saying what they all feel and work to do, get their way and stop the other side from doing so....what, are you that gullible that Daschel and Reid didn't feel same when they were majority leader with Bush as a president?

Daschel actually lost in reelection ( first sitting majority leader in 60 years or so btw) becasue he was an obstructionist and had "lost touch" with the folks back home.....sound familiar?

 

[Trajan]

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Money came from the Stimulus, but the Stimulus did not mention Solyndra or any other Company by name. It left who got what up to the Discretion of Bureaucrats in the Obama Admin at the Dept of Energy in this case.

So ... ? Was I lying, mistaken or correct? Did Congress approve the funds for the act which funded Solyndar? Yes, and the Senate voted for the act from which Solyndra was funded!

jesus wept...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm not lying; I might be wrong. I believed and still do that Solyndra was funded under the 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. It may have been funded by the Energy Act, but until you provide evidence I'm lying I stand by my comment that Solyndra was part of an act of Congress, one voted upon in the Senate.

Now, you are free to cut and run which is one of your notable characteristics (or continue to argue illogically by attacking me and not my argument, one more character trait for which you are well known).

By the way, define "corporate welfare" vis a vis the Federal Grants Programs. You stil haven't answered what meeting you referenced.

The Senate approved the loan program, which was funded by the House. How the money was spent was left to the discretion of the executive branch. Forgive me for assuming you were intelligent enough to understand this and calling you a liar when you are merely stupid.

You claim McConnell made it his number one priority to make Obama a one term president, yet you have no idea what meeting I am referring to. I would assume you are lying but you already demonstrated an uncanny level of ignorance, so perhaps you are just stupid.

I made no reference to any meeting; McConnell stated his number one goal several times. Do I need to post a UTube video of his remarks?

Clearly you're an asshole, but I digress. In the context of the discussion I'm not lying or stupid (though your usual ad hominem attack is noted). You're kind hold the Democrats accountable for the Iraq fiasco because some Democrats gave Bush permission to invade and occupy that country. Yep, not knowing Bush would do something so idiotic doesn't not absolve them of this mistaken vote. The same can be said for every member of the Senate who voted for the stimulus act.

But, the point of the thread is (or was) a discussion on the filibuster and the manner in which you defended it.

He said that in 2010 during the midterm elections, yet you act like it was his agenda from day one, that makes you a liar.

My kind holds everyone responsible for everything they vote for. I haven't defended the filibuster, yet. what I have done is mock the ignorant idiots who are attacking it. There is a significant difference, one involves actual argument, the other only involves scorn.

 

[rightwinger]

The once quaint filibuster rules are being abused

Go back to a live filibuster. Speak until you drop