on america's history with uncle joe

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    "NKVD and military intelligence, GRU, knew almost everything on the minds of the Americans and British. There were two Soviet agents in Roosevelt’s entourage: Asst. Treasury Secretary Harry Dexter White and Alger Hiss. Sudoplatov says he heard from GRU there was a third highly placed Soviet agent in the White House, and another who was a famous financier and scion of one of America’s most famous families."

    FDR was Stalin's little sock puppet
     
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    Stalin's desire at the end of WWII was not pure expansion. Initially all he wanted pro-soviet buffer states between himself and the west and in this he succeed, especially due to Roosevelt's naivety and Truman's lack of knowledge concerning our dealings and promises made to Stalin by Roosevelt. (Truman was not included in the negotiations). Churchill was horrified by what Roosevelt was doing but was actually not in a powerful enough position to effectively counter so was forced to accept the inevitable.
     
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    Considering that Russia had just lost over 10% of their population, it is understandable how paranoid they would be. Russia wanted to ensure they would never be invaded again. I doubt if they would have wavered on that point. Russia also felt that they bore the bulk of the burden against the Nazis and deserved most of the spoils.
    FDR could have fought it, but it would have involved removing Russia from already occupied territory
     
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    Bullshit.

    Patton for one wanted to beat the Soviets to Prague and Berlin and the Germans would have gladly helped him in that effort. But Ike was under orders from Stalin's favorite sock puppet, FDR, as to disposition of Europe; that is, Uncle Joe get a lot of the prime real estate. FDR was advised by Communist spies. Joe McCarthy told the embarrassing truth that USState was overrun with Communist spies. History bears out McCarthy.

    In his journals and letter Patton calls WWII a huge strategic failure for the USA because it left "major European capitals in the hands of the descendants of Genghis Khan"

    50 years later, thanks to Ronald Reagan, Eastern Europe broke the yoke of Communist oppression.
     
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    Great post...glad you found the essay.

    Especially agree with the former, perhaps not the latter of this:
    "The left-leaning, likely senile Roosevelt kept hailing Stalin, who had murdered over 20 million people, "our Uncle Joe."


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    Patton was an ass when it came to evaluating the political realities of a situation. The Russians had killed 7 million Germans during the war. How many million casualties would the American public have tolerated ?
     
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    Patton was a great military leader. However, his combat losses at times were for meaningless territory at great loss. His ego put soldiers in the grave for no militaty reason at all many times.
    McCarthy used the shotgun effect. Accuse EVERYONE and see what sticks. Roy Cohn was his assistant and accomplice at that along with Bobby Kennedy at times.
    McCarthy could have cared less about the American doctrine of innocent until proven guilty. For every spy he may have revealed 1000 innocent people had their lives ruined.
     
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    An even better picture of FDR:

    1. “On September 2, 1939, the day after the outbreak of war in Europe, Whittaker Chambers had told much of what he knew about Soviet espionage in the United States to Adolph Berle, Assistant Secretary of State and President’s Roosevelt’s advisor on internal security. Immediately afterwards, Berle drew up a memorandum for the President which listed Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White and the other leading for whom Chambers acted as courier. One was a leading presidential aide, Lauchlin Currie….Roosevelt, however, was not interested. He seems to have dismissed the whole idea of espionage rings within his administration as absurd.” ‘The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.p.107

    2. “Whereas [Soviet intellience] had penetrated every major branch of Roosevelt’s administration, OSS…had not a single agent in Moscow. (Roosevelt arrived at the Tehran Conference in November 1943 determined to reach agreement with Stalin, even at the risk of offending Churchill.) He declined Churchill’s proposal that they meet privately, but accepted Stalin’s invitation that he should stay at …the Soviet embassy….It seems not to have occurred to Roosevelt that the building was, inevitably, bugged.” Ibid, p.111.

    3. “Roosevelt was bringing to Tehran his closest wartime adviser, Harry Hopkins, …(who) had established a remarkable reputation…for taking the Russians into his confidence. Earlier in the year he had privately warned the Soviet embassy in Washington that the FBI had bugged a secret meeting…” Ibid. [Hopkins was not a Soviet spy or agent, but just one who was impressed with the Soviet war effort.]


    Was Stalin simply interested in the Soviet Union, or did he have bigger plans?
    Hiss was his agent...

    “In 1945, while serving as a member of the American delegation to the Yalta Conference, Hiss was named Director of the Office of Special Political Affairs. Later that year, he was Secretary General of the San Francisco Conference that organized the United Nations. After the conference - as the highlight of his government career - Hiss was asked to fly the new U.N. charter back to Washington in a special plane for President Truman's signature. "That was the day," Hiss said later, "when I realized exactly how important I really was - the charter had a parachute and I didn't."
    The Alger Hiss Story
     
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    Total left-wing pap.


    1. McCarthy’s primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF… For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice.

    2. “A host of other right-wing Republicans had sought to dramatize the communism issue, but only McCarthy succeeded. And McCarthy succeeded while the others did not in part because of his thoroughgoing contempt for the rules of political controversy.”
    Michael Paul Rogin, The Intellectuals and McCarthy: The Radical Specter, p. 251

    He forced liberals to explain themselves in full view of the American people. So they made McCarthy the issue.
     
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