On American Reason

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    On American Reason.

    It’s hard to believe that many people in the world still give their faith to religion. Especially in this country. America, a nation founded on imagination, on philosophy, on rationality, and healthy skepticism. We are—or at least were—a nation with minds as free and wild and untamed as the land itself. What place does religion have in such a wide and untamed place? Surely, the belief or, more appropriately, the dry faith in religion should shrivel up and die in the hot sands of the American prairies. It doesn’t though. In fact, it thrives in the dry scrutiny of the desert like the burrobush. Growing thick and proud. It’s a weed with shallow roots.

    We Americans are blessed with a great land. A land which stretches far and wide, and is plenty bountiful. Much of the land though, is rather arid. It’s difficult to farm the land in our country but, with hard work and perseverance, many people make it work. They forged for themselves a land that is fertile from land that was sterile. The same applies to the American mind. We are a country that is relatively new in the global macrocosm. Our forbearers came to this country with nothing. They came with no plan beyond escaping a life that didn’t work for them. Our country was planted in that infertile ground. From this arid rocky land, our forefathers forged a fertile nation. They created a place where we could grow free of the taint of forced thought, free of taxation without representation, free of the implications of institution. Free of the oppressive things that came with being European.

    Our country has come to a point where we have forgotten those American ideals. Many Americans are allowing themselves to believe that this country was founded on the tenets of Christianity. Many would have you believe that our founding fathers were themselves God-fearing. This is certainly a powerful notion. But in actuality, these people are telling a counter-narrative, one in which they can’t be wrong. They are reading history in a way which sounds good and supports their own counter-narrative. They are backing it up with “irrefutable” facts based on their rigorous but ultimately erroneous readings of history. Should “circular logic” have a more precise definition, I haven’t heard it.

    What these people don’t realize is that the earliest Americans had no fear of God. In fact, our founding fathers were quite outspoken in their non-Christian belief. Thomas Jefferson himself said: "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Jefferson was of course a founding father, the chief author of the Declaration of Independence and the third president of the United States. And he was not alone in his sentiments. Surely, there’s a reason many people believe that we are a Christian nation. But that reason doesn’t exist in reality. Unfortunately for us, Jefferson is dead. But so is Abraham.

    I implore my fellow Americans to realize that we are not living in a Christian nation. We are living in a nation where we are allowed to think freely. We are allowed to go beyond the crushing yoke of theology.
     
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    Wow. Cant even get the first paragraph right. You do realize that our nation was founded upon religion right? That's why it's protected in the First amendment from Federal Government interference. Because our Founders knew how important it was to rely on Divine Providence.

     
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    No, that's not true at all. But thanks for taking the time to respond. Our founding fathers found the value in not giving our minds wholly to the superstitions of religion.
     
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    What else does one give their faith too?
     
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    Reason. Logic. Scientific rigor. You know, useful things like that.
     
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    Some of the many scientific theories.
     
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    As long as you add honesty and integrity to those rigors,not just vivid imaginations.
     
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    And you think I would have left any of those out why?
     
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    President Jefferson was against organized religion.
    The majority of all of our Founder's believed in God.
    Jefferson approved of Jesus moral philosophy, without the miracles (which he did not believe in). That's why he wrote his own bible.
    Our founders based our form of Government for the people to have morals.
    What are morals?
    The ten commandments

    If you don't believe in God that part can be ignored.
    The rest are morals.
    work for 6 days, rest for at least on 1 day
    Do not cheat on anyone, wife or business partners
    Do not lie
    Tell the truth
    Honor your parents
    Do not steal
    Don't be jealous of neighbors or anyone else.
    Don't murder

    Without these basic principles that has held us together as a nation our constitution does not work.
     
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    Our Founding Fathers were individuals, they didn't do 'group think'.... hence, they founded a country as a Republic, a nation of laws.... where people are free to worship or not in whatever way they deem fit.

    Here's a novel idea... since you respect the Founders so much... why don't you follow their principles and mind your own fucking business about what other people do or do not believe.
     

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