OMG: I agreed with Michael Moore just now on CNN

[Nosmo King]

Michael Moore's fat bloated self was on CNN a few minutes ago. Larry King asked him about the oil spill.

Moore kinda got teary eyed looking, gazed up and away from the camera, and just began speaking with wonder saying "You know, this is America, that was a 7 inch hole, 36 inches tall....the pipe was 36 inches....and it took us 90 days to plug it"......"What happened to us? We're America, what happened.....nothing works anymore" (he then blasted oil companies and corporations for having so much power)

Well, Mr. Moore, I agree with you. WHAT happened to "us"? Our morality went down the crapper for one. Thats why people act the way they act these days. Values like modesty, integrity, selflessness and thrift have been thrown out the window.

As for why we couldn't fix the hole quicker, well, it takes research and development to make technological leaps like that. It takes............GASP............PROFIT to fund R&D. Oil companies need......gasp.....profits to pay for extracirricular research and development. We need things like NASA, yes the same NASA whose budget Obama just slashed and who he told their job would be to make Muslims feel good about themselves.

Mr. Moore, we need evil, greedy, profit driven corporations like Boeing, Locheed-Martin, Microsoft, Exxon, and yes, even the diabolical Haliburton, to turn big profits so they can field research and development teams to come up with innovations to tend to future unforseen problems.

It takes big profits in the medical field for them to fund studies and experiments to innovate and create new medicines and cures. Evil, stinking slimey profits.

Mr. Moore is right. "What happened to us"? We have fallen. In innovation, in morality, in manners, all as the country has slowly drifted more and more liberal.

Mr. Moore asks "What happened to us" and he'll probably blast conservatives next for wanting to "take us backwards". Backwards sounds pretty good some days.

First, morality is not a function of the state. Once the state tells us how to behave in a moral context, I ask what freedoms have been erased.

But the bigger point is: you seem to think that if companies just made more profits, they could avoid such accidents as the BP spill. Well, if BP had followed all the regulations and accepted industry practices rather than cut corners in order to .....wait for it....make a larger profit, we would not be discussing a massive oil spill and how to stop it.

As soon as you get your nose from the rectum of corner-cutting corporations, the ridiculous notion of turning those companies loose to reap profit at the expense of health, safety and the environment will become crystal clear.

Given that a panel of experts has still not said exactly what happened I wonder how you know all this. How much money did BP save? What "corners" did they cut? What regulations did they violate? Would adhering to those regulations have prevented the accident?
You don't have the first fucking clue, of course. But it is a convenient chance to demonize a corporation for being successful.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37279113/#slice-2

The researcher, Dr. Robert Bea, came to the nation's capital this week with that message about what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon rig.
Bea's been an engineer for 57 years, with experience investigating past disasters. An engineering professor at the University of California at Berkeley, he's a co-founder of its Center for Catastrophic Risk Management, and is the Center's principal researcher. After Hurricane Katrina, he helped lead an independent investigation into why the levees in New Orleans collapsed.

The report lists what Bea believes are seven "Steps Leading to Containment Failure," also known as "blowout," including:
*improper well design
*improper cement design
*early warning signs not properly detected, analyzed or corrected
*removing the pressure barrier -- displacing drilling mud with sea water 8,000 feet below the drill deck
*flawed design and maintenance of the final line of defense – the blowout preventer

One of the early warning signs was belches or 'kicks' of methane gas, which came up from the depths of the well in the weeks before the accident. The gas was in slushy ice forms called methane hydrates -- but was potentially explosive. One incident was serious enough to shut the well down.
"They had a catastrophic loss of drill fluid into the formation," Bea says. "Gas got to the surface. They had to bring the rig to cold operation."

Could it just be possible that the engineers on the Deepwater Horizon were motivated by something other than environmental and workplace safety? What could such a motivation be if it wasn't as noble as environmental and workplace safety?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wait.
So MSNBC, which we know is NEVER biased in its reporting, dug up some engineering prof who may or may not have any expertise in oil wells. He never visited the rig. He may or may not have talked to anyone actually there. The article itself mentions that there is no official investigation report yet and is likely to be years away.
And we're supposed to take his results at face value AND your assertion that BP must have been cutting costs by cutting corners on safety.
Helloooooo????????????????????

 

[Flopper]

Moore's movies are good entertainment, at least for the left and there is some some truth in them. Unfortunately in today's world, you have to shock and entertain if want to get the attention of a large audience. The truth is usually pretty boring.

 

[Nosmo King]

Wait.
So MSNBC, which we know is NEVER biased in its reporting, dug up some engineering prof who may or may not have any expertise in oil wells. He never visited the rig. He may or may not have talked to anyone actually there. The article itself mentions that there is no official investigation report yet and is likely to be years away.
And we're supposed to take his results at face value AND your assertion that BP must have been cutting costs by cutting corners on safety.
Helloooooo????????????????????

So, whenever there is the suspicion of malfeasance, you always ALWAYS wait for each and every fact to come to light before making any judgments? Is this an accurate description of your personal process? Would this apply to any and all circumstances, like policy and politics?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wait.
So MSNBC, which we know is NEVER biased in its reporting, dug up some engineering prof who may or may not have any expertise in oil wells. He never visited the rig. He may or may not have talked to anyone actually there. The article itself mentions that there is no official investigation report yet and is likely to be years away.
And we're supposed to take his results at face value AND your assertion that BP must have been cutting costs by cutting corners on safety.
Helloooooo????????????????????

So, whenever there is the suspicion of malfeasance, you always ALWAYS wait for each and every fact to come to light before making any judgments? Is this an accurate description of your personal process? Would this apply to any and all circumstances, like policy and politics?

First off, there is no suspicion of malfeasance, except on the part of Democrats looking to make hay on this sad event.
Second, no one has given a complete report based on extensive examination of the evidence. Why I should believe some talking head with the disabilities I mentioned is beyond me.
Finally, Dems have a history of shooting first and aiming later. Witness the extensive and expensive investigations into the Plame Affair and the firing of the federal prosecutors, both of which turned up dry holes.

 

[Truthmatters]

Michael Moore's fat bloated self was on CNN a few minutes ago. Larry King asked him about the oil spill.

Moore kinda got teary eyed looking, gazed up and away from the camera, and just began speaking with wonder saying "You know, this is America, that was a 7 inch hole, 36 inches tall....the pipe was 36 inches....and it took us 90 days to plug it"......"What happened to us? We're America, what happened.....nothing works anymore" (he then blasted oil companies and corporations for having so much power)

Well, Mr. Moore, I agree with you. WHAT happened to "us"? Our morality went down the crapper for one. Thats why people act the way they act these days. Values like modesty, integrity, selflessness and thrift have been thrown out the window.

As for why we couldn't fix the hole quicker, well, it takes research and development to make technological leaps like that. It takes............GASP............PROFIT to fund R&D. Oil companies need......gasp.....profits to pay for extracirricular research and development. We need things like NASA, yes the same NASA whose budget Obama just slashed and who he told their job would be to make Muslims feel good about themselves.

Mr. Moore, we need evil, greedy, profit driven corporations like Boeing, Locheed-Martin, Microsoft, Exxon, and yes, even the diabolical Haliburton, to turn big profits so they can field research and development teams to come up with innovations to tend to future unforseen problems.

It takes big profits in the medical field for them to fund studies and experiments to innovate and create new medicines and cures. Evil, stinking slimey profits.

Mr. Moore is right. "What happened to us"? We have fallen. In innovation, in morality, in manners, all as the country has slowly drifted more and more liberal.

Mr. Moore asks "What happened to us" and he'll probably blast conservatives next for wanting to "take us backwards". Backwards sounds pretty good some days.

AWWWWWWWWWW

the POOR oil companies just donr get enough profit to do this research.


Are you fucking insane?

They are the most proifitable cos in the world and could very clearly afford the reseach and safety measures you are are talking about.

THEY CHOSE NOT TO!

They murdered the 11 people on that rig with their refusual to do the ALREADY recongnised safety measures.


Do you idiots EVER get tired of rewriting what happened to fit your agenda?

 

[Nosmo King]

Wait.
So MSNBC, which we know is NEVER biased in its reporting, dug up some engineering prof who may or may not have any expertise in oil wells. He never visited the rig. He may or may not have talked to anyone actually there. The article itself mentions that there is no official investigation report yet and is likely to be years away.
And we're supposed to take his results at face value AND your assertion that BP must have been cutting costs by cutting corners on safety.
Helloooooo????????????????????

So, whenever there is the suspicion of malfeasance, you always ALWAYS wait for each and every fact to come to light before making any judgments? Is this an accurate description of your personal process? Would this apply to any and all circumstances, like policy and politics?

First off, there is no suspicion of malfeasance, except on the part of Democrats looking to make hay on this sad event.
Second, no one has given a complete report based on extensive examination of the evidence. Why I should believe some talking head with the disabilities I mentioned is beyond me.
Finally, Dems have a history of shooting first and aiming later. Witness the extensive and expensive investigations into the Plame Affair and the firing of the federal prosecutors, both of which turned up dry holes.

I suspect maleficence beacause...are you ready....THE RIG BLEW UP AND THE SAFEGUARDS FAILED TO WORK. But, I'm nit picking and blaming a company when we all know everything is the Obama administration's fault.

I guess I took a page from Breitbart's book and fired before I aimed!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Do you idiots EVER get tired of rewriting what happened to fit your agenda?

......hey this sounds like what that IDIOT on the FAR Left "Truthwhocaresaboutit" does.....oh wait it is her.....

 

[The Rabbi]

So, whenever there is the suspicion of malfeasance, you always ALWAYS wait for each and every fact to come to light before making any judgments? Is this an accurate description of your personal process? Would this apply to any and all circumstances, like policy and politics?

First off, there is no suspicion of malfeasance, except on the part of Democrats looking to make hay on this sad event.
Second, no one has given a complete report based on extensive examination of the evidence. Why I should believe some talking head with the disabilities I mentioned is beyond me.
Finally, Dems have a history of shooting first and aiming later. Witness the extensive and expensive investigations into the Plame Affair and the firing of the federal prosecutors, both of which turned up dry holes.

I suspect maleficence beacause...are you ready....THE RIG BLEW UP AND THE SAFEGUARDS FAILED TO WORK. But, I'm nit picking and blaming a company when we all know everything is the Obama administration's fault.

I guess I took a page from Breitbart's book and fired before I aimed!

Aha. So every industrial accident is the result of malfeasance. Even where it isn't. Nah, no rushing to judgment on your part or anything, right?

 

[Truthmatters]

The malfeasance of BP has already been well documented.

Only idiots who have partisan aims to adjust the facts to fit their ideas dont know that.

 

[The Rabbi]

The malfeasance of BP has already been well documented.

Only idiots who have partisan aims to adjust the facts to fit their ideas dont know that.

So document it. Or STFU you lying bitch.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The malfeasance of BP has already been well documented.

Only idiots who have partisan aims to adjust the facts to fit their ideas dont know that.

So document it. Or STFU you lying bitch.

what??....Truth telling lies?....isnt it more like twisting things to fit in to what she wants it to be?....and then if you disagree .....your an obvious RIGHT winger of the first degree....

 

[Spoonman]

Excellent post!

What's happened to us? We've become fat, complacent, and on the lookout for government cheese.

The pioneers and settlers had no option for government cheese and somehow the survived. Hell they thrived and expanded our nation. Even the Donner party found a way to survive on their own.