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    This has most likely been covered, but Im curious how people feel and if they care about the US Government's media control in regards to US military deaths.

    Anyone care to defend this as anything other than public manipulation?

    Out of sight Out of mind........



    ..........Since 1991, the media have been banned from covering the arrival of remains at Dover. The air base houses the military's largest mortuary, where bodies are prepared for burial before they are sent to the families' hometowns.

    In March, before the Iraq war began, the Pentagon clamped down on similar coverage from military installations around the world, such as Ramstein Air Base in Germany or in Afghanistan. "The prohibition includes ... the movement of remains at any point," the Pentagon guidelines say.

    The result is that images of caskets being returned to U.S. soil are not shown to the American public. This policy contrasts with Italy's national display of grief last month when 19 of that country's troops died in an Iraq suicide bombing and received a state funeral through the streets of Rome.............



    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-12-31-casket-usat_x.htm
     
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    The liberal media goes out of its way to cover this non issue.

    Why not demand to have open caskets as they are brought off the plane?

    Or how about bringing cameras into the morgue?

    The left wants to do anything to undermine the war - and the hell with the families of the deceased soldiers
     
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    So its better to stick our heads in the sand and not witness the grim reality of whats going on in Iraq?

    These soldiers dont deserve recognition for losing their lives?

    What the fuck has Paris Hilton done for the US lately?

    Why dont we all know the names of every american that has lost their life in this occupation?

    Maybe because the grim reality is, that much death, is bad for business.

    And if the Media was allowed to show the caskets returning, Bush would never have had a chance for a second term.
     
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    Is this what you want more of?

    Images of dying Texas soldier ignite debate

    Jan. 31, 2007, 12:23AM

    By MICHAEL HEDGES and JAMES PINKERTON

    WASHINGTON — A photograph and videotape of a Texas soldier dying in Iraq published by the New York Times have triggered anger from his relatives and Army colleagues and revived a long-standing debate about which images of war are proper to show.

    The journalists involved, Times reporter Damien Cave and Getty Images photographer Robert Nickelsberg, working for the Times, had their status as so-called embedded journalists suspended Tuesday by the Army corps in Baghdad, military officials said, because they violated a signed agreement not to publish photos or video of any wounded soldiers without official consent.

    New York Times foreign editor Susan Chira said Tuesday night that the newspaper initially did not contact the family of Army Staff Sgt. Hector Leija about the images because of a specific request from the Army to avoid such a direct contact.

    "The Times is extremely sensitive to the loss suffered by families when loved ones are killed in Iraq," Chira said. "We have tried to write about the inevitable loss with extreme compassion."

    She said that after the newspaper account, with a photograph of the soldier, was published Monday, a Times reporter in Baghdad made indirect efforts to tell the family of the video release later that day. The video was still available for viewing on the Times’ Web site Tuesday night, when the newspaper notified clients of its photo service that the photograph at issue was no longer available and should be eliminated from any archives…

    Chief Warrant Officer 4 Robert Lobeck, serving as the Army’s casualty assistance officer with Leija’s family in Texas, said seeing the images of Leija on the Internet was very upsetting to the relatives.

    "Oh God, they shouldn’t have published a picture like that," Leija’s cousin Tina Guerrero, who had not seen the images but was aghast about them anyway, told the Houston Chronicle on Tuesday in Raymondville. She said the images would be especially hurtful to the soldier’s parents, Domingo and Manuela Leija, who have remained in the family’s home on the edge of town. ”It’s going to devastate them," Guerrero said. ”They’re having enough pain dealing with the death of their son."

    Accompanying the Times article was a picture of Leija on a stretcher, an Army medic using his right hand to compress the sergeant’s wounded forehead. Leija was alive in the photograph. The story noted that he died later in the day.

    Later Monday, the Times posted on its Web site a five-minute, 52-second video taken at the scene of the shooting, showing an interview with Leija before he was wounded, then the frantic moments after he is downed by a single shot…

    The agreement that journalists are asked to sign as a condition of embedding has 14 rules. Rule 11 covers military casualties: "Names, video, identifiable written/oral description or identifiable photographs of wounded service members will not be released without service member’s prior written consent."

    The ground rule goes on to say, "In respect for family members, names or images clearly identifying individuals ‘killed in action’ will not be released." The rule says names of soldiers killed can be released a day after family notification, but it does not address photographs or video images.

    Chira said as far as she knew, the journalists had signed the forms. But she also said: "This issue has never been raised before when the New York Times has shown photographs of wounded soldiers." …

    Chira also said she had been told by the reporter in Baghdad that he had reached out to two people with Texas connections to act as intermediaries to alert the family that a video was going to be posted. They were Kathy Travis, a press aide to Rep. Solomon Ortiz, D-Corpus Christi, and Principal Gilbert Galvan of Raymondville High School.

    Travis had a different account.

    "Whoa, that isn’t what happened," she said Tuesday night in a telephone interview. "The reporter called me late Monday afternoon and said he understood that the family was upset and that he wanted us to know that he had the utmost respect for the soldier and wanted us to let the family know that."

    Galvan said a New York Times reporter called Monday, saying he could not reach Leija’s relatives and asking Galvan to notify the family of the story and the impending release of the video.

    Galvan said he went to the Leijas’ house and relayed the message. "They looked upset," he said…

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    I guess the Right doesnt want people to see whats happenning in Iraq.

    People dying.

    Your right wing Op-Ed is a perfect example of partisan politics.

    If the Gen pop was exposed to the amount of staggering death occurring in Iraq, you would be one unhappy NeoCon.
     
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    So is that what you want to see on the network news every night?

    I say we should be playing video from 9-11

    But libs said it would upset folks

    The article is based on facts - something you "overlooked"

    And this we have this gem from CNN

    Video shows snipers’ chilling work in Iraq

    (CNN) — Chilling scenes from a videotape made by insurgents show the work of snipers in Iraq, targeting and killing American troops, taking them down with a single bullet from a high-powered rifle.

    The graphic video of 10 sniper attacks was obtained by CNN — through intermediaries — from the Islamic Army of Iraq, one of the most active insurgent organizations in Iraq.

    In one scene, U.S. soldiers mingle among Iraqi civilians on a city street as a U.S. Humvee with a gunner in its turret stands guard nearby.

    From a distance, possibly hundreds of yards away, a sniper watches for his opportunity to strike as a fellow insurgent operates a camera to capture the video for propaganda purposes.

    In the video, street sounds mix with male Arabic voices as the sniper and his spotter talk off-camera.

    "People are around them," warns the spotter, who seems to be operating the video camera. "Want me to find another place?"

    "No, no," comes the reply, "give me a moment."

    And then, the crack of gunfire is heard and the soldier in the turret slumps forward.

    "Allahu Akbar (God is Great)!" is the exclamation as the sniper’s vehicle starts and they slip away.

    The deadly tactic is one the U.S. military also uses to take out insurgents.

    Retired Gunnery Sgt. Jack Coughlin was one of the top U.S. Marine Corps snipers in Iraq and has written a book about his experiences — "Shooter: The Autobiography of the Top-Ranked Marine Sniper."

    "I have over 60 kills," he told CNN’s Gary Tuchman. "We seek out the enemy and eliminate them with precision fire."

    Tuchman used Coughlin’s critical eye to analyze the Islamic Army of Iraq video.

    Coughlin said the time lapse between the sound of the shot and the man getting hit indicates the gunfire is coming from about 300 to 500 yards away and probably from a higher angle.

    But Couglin said he’s sure this team of at least three people has been trained well because they’re so calm.

    "They have their stuff wired," he said. "They know what they’re doing." (Watch the ex-Marine describe snipers’ deadly work — 2:46)

    The 20-year Marine veteran said the kind of body armor worn by troops in combat can be effective against a sniper’s bullet, and he added that there are other ways to defend against the horrifying attacks.

    "The worst enemy of a sniper is another sniper," Coughlin said. "Our snipers are hunting these guys — I guarantee you this is happening as we speak."

    Coughlin added that, in many cases, the best defense is a good offense.

    Remember, this is the same one party media who will not show the victims of 9/11, the beheading of hostages — even the Mohammad cartoons — lest they offend.

    But if they can encourage our countries enemies, they will at every opportunity.

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    Well, I guess we know what YOUR motive for this thread is!
     
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    Yea - smear Pres Bush and undermine the war effort
     
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    well dang that was difficult! Took a whole 2 minutes:

    http://icasualties.org/oif/

    I guess some folks really do post mere rhetoric. By the way. DoD has the complete list as well.
     
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    Well, I was going to report that we DO know the names of the military people who have died in the war.... But it looks like somebody provided that information for ya.
     

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