Old cars suck | Change my mind

[Godboy]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Everything you said is entirely true. But that's not the point.

The people who are into old cars, are into them for differing reasons than anything you listed.

It's about re-living better days when people were generally nice to each other, when we had standards of conduct.

It's about remembering your youth, and driving your new bride in a Chevy Impala Convertible, White with Red interior. My father still has the photo of him, and my mother, in his Impala convertible.

It's about going back to a happier time.

Now if you are just looking at cars, from a purely quality and functionality perspective.... well yeah, of course new cars beat old cars hands down.

Old cars are of course naturally worse at everything. Handling, braking, accelerating, power, fuel efficiency... and on and on.

Now, if you are asking which one I would buy from the two cars above... it depends. I don't like BMWs. Never did. Too small... too cramped... not a fan of the styling. Not that it's bad styling, just not my style.

The other car, isn't my style either though. One difference is, that first one, is a collectors item. It will go up in value over time. It just will. That BMW is going to lose 20% of it's value, as soon as the wheels hit publicly owned pavement. That 'thunk thunk" you hear when tires go over the curb, is 20% of the value falling off.

That classic car, is going to keep going up in value over time.... assuming you have a garage to put it in, and maintain it.

So... you have to think about that. I just looked up a BMW Roadster from 2010, MSRP $46,000, now offering $10,000 for it. That classic car is going to go up in value.

Storing cars in warehouses is a travesty. They should be driven, most of them anyway. I do see the value in keeping some around for historical purposes, but what good is a car that you dont drive?

 

[Godboy]

I'll take my GT40 MkI over a modern car any day of the week

A 2019 Ford GT is simply a better looking/performing version of that car, but i do love GT40s.

 

[Godboy]

Old, can turn, can stop, and is fast as fuck!

I mean, go karts are kinda cool, i guess. I dont totally hate it. I kinda like it actually.

 

[Godboy]

You're right....I'll take this old, slow. unreliable piece of shit off your hands....Give ya fifty bucks!

Get that monstrosity into one of those car crushing machines immediately!

 

[Godboy]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful. For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them. Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is. Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc). Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

Gottcha, man!

Damn those silly old cars! Those stupid old things which:

• Ran forever on anything you put in the tank because their engines weren't being pushed to the max.
  
• Could be souped up to triple their horsepower.
• Had little in them to break down and if they did, were easily diagnosable and fixable by the owner on the side of the road in 5 minutes without an engineering degree and a computer analysis.
• Didn't need high tech suspension or disc brakes because there weren't 10 million cars on the road and it they hit a new car today, would fold it like a newspaper and smash right through it and keep right on going with hardly a scratch.
• Didn't need 10,000 safety features because people back then actually knew how to drive.

While we're at it, damn all that silly old art as well! Imagine, at one time, people actually painted with oils on canvases and turned out dreck like this:

View attachment 278600 View attachment 278601

Fortunately in the modern era, we do it so much better now on iPads.

View attachment 278602

Ahhh, progress.

Art and cars arent the same thing. This thread is about my thoughts on cars.

 

[Godboy]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Everything you said is entirely true. But that's not the point.

The people who are into old cars, are into them for differing reasons than anything you listed.

It's about re-living better days when people were generally nice to each other, when we had standards of conduct.

It's about remembering your youth, and driving your new bride in a Chevy Impala Convertible, White with Red interior. My father still has the photo of him, and my mother, in his Impala convertible.

It's about going back to a happier time.

Now if you are just looking at cars, from a purely quality and functionality perspective.... well yeah, of course new cars beat old cars hands down.

Old cars are of course naturally worse at everything. Handling, braking, accelerating, power, fuel efficiency... and on and on.

Now, if you are asking which one I would buy from the two cars above... it depends. I don't like BMWs. Never did. Too small... too cramped... not a fan of the styling. Not that it's bad styling, just not my style.

The other car, isn't my style either though. One difference is, that first one, is a collectors item. It will go up in value over time. It just will. That BMW is going to lose 20% of it's value, as soon as the wheels hit publicly owned pavement. That 'thunk thunk" you hear when tires go over the curb, is 20% of the value falling off.

That classic car, is going to keep going up in value over time.... assuming you have a garage to put it in, and maintain it.

So... you have to think about that. I just looked up a BMW Roadster from 2010, MSRP $46,000, now offering $10,000 for it. That classic car is going to go up in value.

You make a valid point, however, i think that when it comes to cars, the importance of their drivability and looks outweighs the importance of nostalgia.

 

[Ringel05]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Yup, ugly as all hell......

^ Dope.

Ah yes, projection suits you.

 

[Ringel05]

Not to mention the awesome MGB....... My dad had one, I learned to drive a stick in it.

No, its bad.

That's okay, so is your taste in cars.

 

[Picaro]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Everything you said is entirely true. But that's not the point.

The people who are into old cars, are into them for differing reasons than anything you listed.

It's about re-living better days when people were generally nice to each other, when we had standards of conduct.

It's about remembering your youth, and driving your new bride in a Chevy Impala Convertible, White with Red interior. My father still has the photo of him, and my mother, in his Impala convertible.

It's about going back to a happier time.

Now if you are just looking at cars, from a purely quality and functionality perspective.... well yeah, of course new cars beat old cars hands down.

Old cars are of course naturally worse at everything. Handling, braking, accelerating, power, fuel efficiency... and on and on.

Now, if you are asking which one I would buy from the two cars above... it depends. I don't like BMWs. Never did. Too small... too cramped... not a fan of the styling. Not that it's bad styling, just not my style.

The other car, isn't my style either though. One difference is, that first one, is a collectors item. It will go up in value over time. It just will. That BMW is going to lose 20% of it's value, as soon as the wheels hit publicly owned pavement. That 'thunk thunk" you hear when tires go over the curb, is 20% of the value falling off.

That classic car, is going to keep going up in value over time.... assuming you have a garage to put it in, and maintain it.

So... you have to think about that. I just looked up a BMW Roadster from 2010, MSRP $46,000, now offering $10,000 for it. That classic car is going to go up in value.

Storing cars in warehouses is a travesty. They should be driven, most of them anyway. I do see the value in keeping some around for historical purposes, but what good is a car that you dont drive?

I know a professional restorer who has a four story warehouse near Reno, Nv. full of antique and restored vintage cars and cycles that makes a very good living renting them out to movie companies. He more than breaks even on his collection.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

/—-/ Why would anyone waste a second trying to change your mind? Who cares what you like?

 

[Picaro]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Yup, ugly as all hell......

^ Dope.

Ah yes, projection suits you.

'Dope' is a positive comment, you dope.

 

[toobfreak]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

/—-/ Why would anyone waste a second trying to change your mind? Who cares what you like?

Exactly. Goodboy seems hell bent on comparing apples and oranges while rationalizing his desire to own an uber-expensive super high tech car. The thing is that cars of old were designed on STYLING and beauty, then government regulations forced them into efficiency so they began looking at wind drag and all kinds of other things resulting in the modern car which basically all look the same.

But on beauty, breeding and class alone, it sure is hard to beat a 1935 Bugatti.

Imagine having this to cruise around in, in 1935 when others were still cruising around in Model T Fords. That was the life.

 

[Pilot1]

How much will that BMW be worth in five years with 100K miles on it? How much will the classic old car be worth? Plus, the older cars are just classically beautiful. Some have great performances, but can be modded to be stellar.

 

[toobfreak]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful. For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them. Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is. Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc). Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

Gottcha, man!

Damn those silly old cars! Those stupid old things which:

• Ran forever on anything you put in the tank because their engines weren't being pushed to the max.
  
• Could be souped up to triple their horsepower.
• Had little in them to break down and if they did, were easily diagnosable and fixable by the owner on the side of the road in 5 minutes without an engineering degree and a computer analysis.
• Didn't need high tech suspension or disc brakes because there weren't 10 million cars on the road and it they hit a new car today, would fold it like a newspaper and smash right through it and keep right on going with hardly a scratch.
• Didn't need 10,000 safety features because people back then actually knew how to drive.

While we're at it, damn all that silly old art as well! Imagine, at one time, people actually painted with oils on canvases and turned out dreck like this:

View attachment 278600 View attachment 278601

Fortunately in the modern era, we do it so much better now on iPads.

View attachment 278602

Ahhh, progress.

Art and cars arent the same thing. This thread is about my thoughts on cars.

FUCK YOU then. Art and cars ARE the same thing, at least they are and can be to people who want them to be and appreciate the art of a fine automobile. Go talk to and ask Ettore Maserati, Ferruccio Lamborghini or Ettore Bugatti if there isn't art in their cars. There is art in anything of fine craftsmanship, the best wristwatches aren't the most accurate, they are the most masterfully crafted.

BUT YOU ASKED US OUR OPINIONS, now you say this thread is only about you and YOUR thoughts on cars, so then GO TALK TO YOURSELF. Don't bother us.

 

[miketx]

In old cars you could replace the engine if need be. In new cars, a front end collision can total it just because of all the sensors that would have to be dealt with.

Ridiculous uneducated nonsense.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Say what?

This 1970 Lamborghini Countach is still ahead of its time.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I can appreciate old cars that have been restored just for their aesthetics.
But for me driving is fun and I want the latest and greatest in handling and power.

It's like comparing a Harley dripping in chrome to a Yamaha YZF-R3.

I'll take the Yamaha everytime.

 

[Blues Man]

Why would I try to change your mind if I don't care what you think?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I can appreciate old cars that have been restored just for their aesthetics.
But for me driving is fun and I want the latest and greatest in handling and power.

It's like comparing a Harley dripping in chrome to a Yamaha YZF-R3.

I'll take the Yamaha everytime.

I have to agree, I remember when I was traveling all the time and National rent a car in Los Angeles's let you rent classic cars. Well I rented this convertible for a few days and I thought I was going to die driving it down the highway in traffic, it handled like a boat.

 

[Godboy]

I really dont like old cars that are stock. With the exception of muscle cars from the 60s, and maybe a few from the 70s, im not interested in old cars at all. If it isnt a restomod, its awful.

For starters, old cars are unreliable. There was once a time when 100,000 miles meant your car was ready for a graveyard. They just didnt hold up, even if you maintained them.

Secondly, they arent safe. They handle terribly and their brakes are atrocious. They have no business being on the road with modern cars. We have enough deaths on our roads as it is.

Third, and most importantly, they dont perform well at all. You cant corner effectively, and they arent fast (by todays standards). For about $2,000, you can tune up a friggin Ford Focus to easily outperform the baddest cars from the past (top speed, quarter mile, track times, etc).

Ok, this is old and in super good condition, but its shape is silly...

For the money you probably spent to buy that ^, you could buy this BMW 8 Series Coupe.

If you had 100 grand to spend on a car, would it be on an old classic? Come on man. Dont tell me you wouldnt take the Beamer.

Old cars suck, change my mind.

Yup, ugly as all hell......

^ Dope.

Ah yes, projection suits you.

Lol, I mean its a dope car. You successfully "changed my mind" with that particular one. I wasnt insulting you.