OK libs, when do you start admitting this was a mistake?

I can't seem to face up to the facts
I'm tense and nervous and I
Can't relax
I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire
Don't touch me I'm a real live wire

Psycho Killer
Qu'est Que C'est
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away

You start a conversation you can't even finish it.
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything.

When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?

Psycho Killer,
Qu'est Que C'est
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away

Ce que j'ai fais, ce soir la
Ce qu'elle a dit, ce soir la
Realisant mon espoir
Je me lance, vers la gloire ... OK
We are vain and we are blind
I hate people when they're not polite

Psycho Killer,
Qu'est Que C'est
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away


oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh....

your really making a fool of your self
First you create an event that will never will occur.
Next when I ask you why, you come up with this?
I am starting to feel sorry for you

JRK, I quit taking you seriously many, many threads ago. I respond to your posts purely for fun. If it's a problem, hit the ignore button.

I can't respond to absurd posts with serious responses.

To start with, its failing
In addition the intent is interesting to some
it shows much about you, your history, and the intent that your presence on this thread as well as this message board is and has been
Dude get a grip. Doing harm to others is no way to go thru life
 
Poster 8537 has shown were the liberal movement is today. Ignore the debate, attack the messenger with lies and slander that have nothing to do with the subject
watch him, its sad
 
your really making a fool of your self
First you create an event that will never will occur.
Next when I ask you why, you come up with this?
I am starting to feel sorry for you

JRK, I quit taking you seriously many, many threads ago. I respond to your posts purely for fun. If it's a problem, hit the ignore button.

I can't respond to absurd posts with serious responses.

To start with, its failing
In addition the intent is interesting to some
it shows much about you, your history, and the intent that your presence on this thread as well as this message board is and has been
Dude get a grip. Doing harm to others is no way to go thru life

Doing harm to others?

No posters were harmed in the making of this point.
 
JRK, I quit taking you seriously many, many threads ago. I respond to your posts purely for fun. If it's a problem, hit the ignore button.

I can't respond to absurd posts with serious responses.

To start with, its failing
In addition the intent is interesting to some
it shows much about you, your history, and the intent that your presence on this thread as well as this message board is and has been
Dude get a grip. Doing harm to others is no way to go thru life

Doing harm to others?

No posters were harmed in the making of this point.

When you make false statements about a Mans character, it is the harshest form of doing harm to another person you can do.
We are just sitting around and watching
you have been asked to stop and many times, and yet you will not. No-one watching understands it
I continue to just post on a PUBLIC message board information that I feel is important

Go ahead, we are waiting
 
yes...if too many banks fail, there are hundreds of other smaller banks that would gladly pick up the slack.
What slack? When too many banks fail for FDIC to handle it people loses their deposits - you can't move your money to a smaller bank if its GONE - can you? You don't really appear to get it. If a bank fails, and FDIC is exhausted, its depositors (the customers, with the checking accounts, i.e. YOU) - LOSE THEIR MONEY. FDIC isn't an infinite pool of insurance, once its gone its gone.

Do you even have a checking account? Do you like the fact that the money in it doesn't just disappear?
 
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Its hardly "socialist" to prevent the collapse of our entire economy. Without TARP many of the the banks would not be solvent - which means their deposits then are only guaranteed by FDIC - but when FDIC runs out of money in its fund, its out, and deposits are no longer guaranteed, leading to bank runs and mass hysteria. There's a reason TARP had bi-partisan support - it would have been stupid to not do it.

As I recall the GWB tarp was a loan
great idea from a very good president
We got that money back and it prevented the end of the world as we had known it

and it started a new ideology of bailing out the irresponsible.

It started a "new ideology" ? Now you're just a nutcase. I fail to see how its irresponsible for me to put my money in the bank.
 
People who make the kinds of comments about the 250 billion we loaned the banks with tarp have no clue as to what good those loans did, just in 401ks
Us working stiffs do not have Obama sitting around and bailing us out like he did the UAW. 401Ks alone would have lost trillions in capital that people are now using again to build, retire and purchase things with, even start businesses (Like me)

Without Tarp the DJIA was headed to pennies, It was one of the good things Obama did by voting for it
 
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You vote for people who approve socialist policies like TARP....

Its hardly "socialist" to prevent the collapse of our entire economy. Without TARP many of the the banks would not be solvent - which means their deposits then are only guaranteed by FDIC - but when FDIC runs out of money in its fund, its out, and deposits are no longer guaranteed, leading to bank runs and mass hysteria. There's a reason TARP had bi-partisan support - it would have been stupid to not do it.

As I recall the GWB tarp was a loan
great idea from a very good president
We got that money back and it prevented the end of the world as we had known it

TARP wasn't a loan. The government purchased troubled assets.

And it wasn't GWB's idea.
 
Its hardly "socialist" to prevent the collapse of our entire economy. Without TARP many of the the banks would not be solvent - which means their deposits then are only guaranteed by FDIC - but when FDIC runs out of money in its fund, its out, and deposits are no longer guaranteed, leading to bank runs and mass hysteria. There's a reason TARP had bi-partisan support - it would have been stupid to not do it.

As I recall the GWB tarp was a loan
great idea from a very good president
We got that money back and it prevented the end of the world as we had known it

TARP wasn't a loan. The government purchased troubled assets.

And it wasn't GWB's idea.

Technically your right about the idea
as far as the rest of it

List of Banks That Took TARP Money - Banking News, Interest Rates, and Saving Advice
Citigroup (NY): $45 billion
AIG (NY): $40 billion
JPMorgan Chase (NY): $25 billion
Bank of America/Merrill Lynch (NC): $25 billion
Wells Fargo (CA): $25 billion
General Motors (MI): $14 billion
Goldman Sachs (NY): $10 billion
Morgan Stanley (NY): $10 billion
PNC Financial Services (PA): $7.58 billion
U.S. Bancorp (MN): $6.6 billion


Eight of the nine banks that were found to not need new capital following the government's bank stress tests last month made the list.

JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500), Bank of New York Mellon (BK, Fortune 500), State Street (STT, Fortune 500) as well as regional banking giants Capital One (COF, Fortune 500), BB&T (BBT, Fortune 500) and U.S. Bancorp (USB, Fortune 500) all said they will pay back TARP funds. (Insurer MetLife also was not required to raise capital but it did not receive any TARP money.)

Investment bank Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500), which was the only financial firm that regulators did ask to raise money after the stress tests, confirmed it also won approval from the Treasury Department to pay back $10 billion.

Chicago-based Northern Trust (NTRS, Fortune 500), which took in $1.576 billion in TARP funds but was not part of the bank stress tests, also Tuesday said it won government approval to exit the program.

All 10 financial firms indicated that they intended to pay back TARP funds by redeeming the preferred shares the government acquired in them last fall. Such a move would return approximately $68 billion to the government's coffers
Banks That Received Tarp Funds - Bing

you call wat ever u want to call it
 
As I recall the GWB tarp was a loan
great idea from a very good president
We got that money back and it prevented the end of the world as we had known it

TARP wasn't a loan. The government purchased troubled assets.

And it wasn't GWB's idea.

Technically your right about the idea
as far as the rest of it

List of Banks That Took TARP Money - Banking News, Interest Rates, and Saving Advice
Citigroup (NY): $45 billion
AIG (NY): $40 billion
JPMorgan Chase (NY): $25 billion
Bank of America/Merrill Lynch (NC): $25 billion
Wells Fargo (CA): $25 billion
General Motors (MI): $14 billion
Goldman Sachs (NY): $10 billion
Morgan Stanley (NY): $10 billion
PNC Financial Services (PA): $7.58 billion
U.S. Bancorp (MN): $6.6 billion


Eight of the nine banks that were found to not need new capital following the government's bank stress tests last month made the list.

JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500), Bank of New York Mellon (BK, Fortune 500), State Street (STT, Fortune 500) as well as regional banking giants Capital One (COF, Fortune 500), BB&T (BBT, Fortune 500) and U.S. Bancorp (USB, Fortune 500) all said they will pay back TARP funds. (Insurer MetLife also was not required to raise capital but it did not receive any TARP money.)

Investment bank Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500), which was the only financial firm that regulators did ask to raise money after the stress tests, confirmed it also won approval from the Treasury Department to pay back $10 billion.

Chicago-based Northern Trust (NTRS, Fortune 500), which took in $1.576 billion in TARP funds but was not part of the bank stress tests, also Tuesday said it won government approval to exit the program.

All 10 financial firms indicated that they intended to pay back TARP funds by redeeming the preferred shares the government acquired in them last fall. Such a move would return approximately $68 billion to the government's coffers
Banks That Received Tarp Funds - Bing

you call wat ever u want to call it


Buying back stock shares isn't paying back a loan, its buying back stock shares.
 
TARP wasn't a loan. The government purchased troubled assets.

And it wasn't GWB's idea.

Technically your right about the idea
as far as the rest of it

List of Banks That Took TARP Money - Banking News, Interest Rates, and Saving Advice
Citigroup (NY): $45 billion
AIG (NY): $40 billion
JPMorgan Chase (NY): $25 billion
Bank of America/Merrill Lynch (NC): $25 billion
Wells Fargo (CA): $25 billion
General Motors (MI): $14 billion
Goldman Sachs (NY): $10 billion
Morgan Stanley (NY): $10 billion
PNC Financial Services (PA): $7.58 billion
U.S. Bancorp (MN): $6.6 billion


Eight of the nine banks that were found to not need new capital following the government's bank stress tests last month made the list.

JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500), Bank of New York Mellon (BK, Fortune 500), State Street (STT, Fortune 500) as well as regional banking giants Capital One (COF, Fortune 500), BB&T (BBT, Fortune 500) and U.S. Bancorp (USB, Fortune 500) all said they will pay back TARP funds. (Insurer MetLife also was not required to raise capital but it did not receive any TARP money.)

Investment bank Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500), which was the only financial firm that regulators did ask to raise money after the stress tests, confirmed it also won approval from the Treasury Department to pay back $10 billion.

Chicago-based Northern Trust (NTRS, Fortune 500), which took in $1.576 billion in TARP funds but was not part of the bank stress tests, also Tuesday said it won government approval to exit the program.

All 10 financial firms indicated that they intended to pay back TARP funds by redeeming the preferred shares the government acquired in them last fall. Such a move would return approximately $68 billion to the government's coffers
Banks That Received Tarp Funds - Bing

you call wat ever u want to call it


Buying back stock shares isn't paying back a loan, its buying back stock shares.

Like I said, you call it what ever you want to call it.
Where I come from that's called collateral that would have been gone if not for Tarp

While we are on the subject 0f 2007 budget that brought in 2.5 trillion
how many jobs you think we would create if we just shut the IRS for one year?

That is (less) the same we have went in debt for the last 2 years
No-one pays one penny for 1 whole year
how many jobs would that create?
 
Technically your right about the idea
as far as the rest of it

List of Banks That Took TARP Money - Banking News, Interest Rates, and Saving Advice
Citigroup (NY): $45 billion
AIG (NY): $40 billion
JPMorgan Chase (NY): $25 billion
Bank of America/Merrill Lynch (NC): $25 billion
Wells Fargo (CA): $25 billion
General Motors (MI): $14 billion
Goldman Sachs (NY): $10 billion
Morgan Stanley (NY): $10 billion
PNC Financial Services (PA): $7.58 billion
U.S. Bancorp (MN): $6.6 billion


Eight of the nine banks that were found to not need new capital following the government's bank stress tests last month made the list.

JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), American Express (AXP, Fortune 500), Bank of New York Mellon (BK, Fortune 500), State Street (STT, Fortune 500) as well as regional banking giants Capital One (COF, Fortune 500), BB&T (BBT, Fortune 500) and U.S. Bancorp (USB, Fortune 500) all said they will pay back TARP funds. (Insurer MetLife also was not required to raise capital but it did not receive any TARP money.)

Investment bank Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500), which was the only financial firm that regulators did ask to raise money after the stress tests, confirmed it also won approval from the Treasury Department to pay back $10 billion.

Chicago-based Northern Trust (NTRS, Fortune 500), which took in $1.576 billion in TARP funds but was not part of the bank stress tests, also Tuesday said it won government approval to exit the program.

All 10 financial firms indicated that they intended to pay back TARP funds by redeeming the preferred shares the government acquired in them last fall. Such a move would return approximately $68 billion to the government's coffers
Banks That Received Tarp Funds - Bing

you call wat ever u want to call it


Buying back stock shares isn't paying back a loan, its buying back stock shares.

Like I said, you call it what ever you want to call it.
Where I come from that's called collateral that would have been gone if not for Tarp

While we are on the subject 0f 2007 budget that brought in 2.5 trillion
how many jobs you think we would create if we just shut the IRS for one year?

That is (less) the same we have went in debt for the last 2 years
No-one pays one penny for 1 whole year
how many jobs would that create?


With no operating revenue for government, about 2.65 million jobs would be lost almost instantly, pushing unemployment up 1.6%.
 
Buying back stock shares isn't paying back a loan, its buying back stock shares.

Like I said, you call it what ever you want to call it.
Where I come from that's called collateral that would have been gone if not for Tarp

While we are on the subject 0f 2007 budget that brought in 2.5 trillion
how many jobs you think we would create if we just shut the IRS for one year?

That is (less) the same we have went in debt for the last 2 years
No-one pays one penny for 1 whole year
how many jobs would that create?


With no operating revenue for government, about 2.65 million jobs would be lost almost instantly, pushing unemployment up 1.6%.

OOOpah
We have borrowed 4 trillion dollars sense Obama took office. We could have shut the IRS down for about 18 months with that much debt, If we would have went back to the 07 budget not 1 of those jobs would have been lost.
It shows how much debt this admin has added with the results to show for it not very good.
2007 budget was about 2.7 trillion, we have borrowed 4 trillion, enough to go tax free for 18 months at that rate
You think a federal employee would take 07 wages in turn for 0 income tax?
I would
 
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Yes.

I admit Scalia made a huge fucking mistake with Gore v. Bush.

That was a clusterfuck.


In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm


Bush won. Get over it.



No dogbone for you!
 
Yes.

I admit Scalia made a huge fucking mistake with Gore v. Bush.

That was a clusterfuck.


In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm


Bush won. Get over it.



No dogbone for you!

My home is about 1 hr from central standard time. If you where in line @ 7 PM, you got to vote. At 7:57 eastern time there was still people in line to vote when CBS announced Gore had won Florida, so at 6:57 central time god knows how many people were in line in the panhandle and how many left when they heard Gore had won Florida
In addition
The screw-ups in Florida were in counties in which the Democratic party thrives. We have I think 67 counties in Florida, and only the ones who are left wing loons had hanging chads
 
Yes.

I admit Scalia made a huge fucking mistake with Gore v. Bush.

That was a clusterfuck.


In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm


Bush won. Get over it.



No dogbone for you!

My home is about 1 hr from central standard time. If you where in line @ 7 PM, you got to vote. At 7:57 eastern time there was still people in line to vote when CBS announced Gore had won Florida, so at 6:57 central time god knows how many people were in line in the panhandle and how many left when they heard Gore had won Florida
In addition
The screw-ups in Florida were in counties in which the Democratic party thrives. We have I think 67 counties in Florida, and only the ones who are left wing loons had hanging chads, just them and there was only 2-3 as I recall
 

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