Ok 9-11 conspiracy theorist, 1 simple question, WHY?

Well said. If anybody wants to know what all the fuss is about, I suggest doing an internet search, it has most of the information to prepare one for coming on here. I would also fix my browser problem if You tube wont open.


So which site should they believe?

The site that says no planes were involved or the site that confirms planes were involved?

The site that says there were no hijackers and the planes involved were rogue aircraft or the one that confirms hijackers were involved?

The site that says bombs were in the towers or the site that says no bombs were in the towers or the site that says there was themite, the site that says there was thermate, or the site that now says nano-thermite?

The site that says phone calls were morphed (faked) or the site that confirms that the calls were real?

The site that says a missile hit the Pentagon, the site that says an A-3 Skywarrior was used, or the site that says it was a plane but not AA77. Should they belive the sites that say a plane was used to flyover the building to shield a missile attack--that theory was always my favorite.

What about the video a friend of yours brings up everyday that says that pods were under the planes used to hit the towers? Should they belive that site?

Should they believe the site that says remains were faked or should they belive the site that says the remains were never there to start with?

How about the sites that say Flight 93 was shot down although it has been proven mathematically that it could not have happened? What about the sites that say Bush was behind it? Should they believe them or the ones that say Wolfowitz was behind it? Or the ones that say it was the Rothchilds?

I think they could save a lot of trouble and ignore you and all of those sites and just read the 9/11 Commission Report which has all of the answers on the major events of the attack.

I would suggest you go to those sites seeking a fact driven re-investigation of 9/11
Of course, "fact driven", being ANYTHING where the end result is what YOU believe?:lol::lol::lol:
 
Makes perfect sense.Divecunt is so stressed out getting his ass handed to him on a platter like he and all the other OCTA trolls here do everyday,that he could not take the stree anymore and had to take a vacation for a while,so they brought this other dumbfuck troll in to replace him.:lol: It totally makes sense since he appeared just shortly after divecunt left.:lol:

What world did you say you lived on?

its a place just outside of the matrix you live in....
If you back up what 9/11 Inside Job posts then you are a fucking idiot. Read his post history you fucking idiot.:cuckoo:
 
So you don't want to tell us what the writers of the 911CR claim they were lied to about?

Must not disprove any of the main points. That's about what we figured....
You mean like the main points that that the US was attacked on 9-11? Or that 2 planes demolished 3 buildings in damn near freefall speed? Or that the pentagon was indeed attacked, and another plane did crash in PA? You hang your hat on on stuff like this and are satisfied with it, so be it it just goes to show you don't have the guts to see this whitewash thrown right in your face. Like I said in another reply to you, this has been rehashed over and over, it has become common knowledge, you are either severely behind the curve on this topic, or just willfully ignorant..I'm leaning towards the latter on this one.


David Ray Griffin

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon - washingtonpost.com

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon - washingtonpost.com

The 9-11 commission doesn't believe the government, why do you?
I see you, 9/11 Inside Job and eots as those stupid fucks that I see at Ground Zero in NY City. Fat, dressed in jeans and T-shirts and shoving flyers in my face.:up_yours::asshole:
 
Dude candytroll is not only a government shill, but an attention seeker,the WORST thing you can do is take his bait and reply to him giving him the attention he seeks.You should have put him and divecunt on ignore YEARS ago.btw,wonder where that other troll attention seeker divecunt is.He hasnt been on here in the last few days amazingly.thats a miracle.

divecunt is on stress leave...so they brought this babbling jrk loser

Really?
Loser?
so thats what you do when your argument has lost?
ne part of the administration’s pre-9/11 plan to refashion the world was to replace the Taliban so that a pipeline to bring oil from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan could be built...
David Ray Griffin
David Ray Griffin "9/11: A Christian Theologian's Response"

Our take...

The idea that Afghanistan was attacked in order to construct oil and gas pipelines through Afghanistan is a common one. David Ray Griffin spells out a more detailed chronology here:

In July 1998, the Taliban, after having failed in 1997 to take the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, finally succeeded, giving it control of most of Afghanistan, including the entire pipeline route. After this victory CentGas [UNOCAL] immediately announced that it was "ready to proceed."37 Shortly thereafter, however, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were blown up, leading the United States to launch cruse missile strikes against OBL's camps in Afghanistan. These and related developments led Unocal to withdraw from CentGas, convinced that Afghanistan under the Taliban would never have the peace and stability needed for the pipeline project.38 Rashid, finishing his book in mid-1999, wrote that the Clinton Administration had shifted its support to the pipeline route from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey, adding that "by now nobody wanted to touch Afghanistan and the Taliban."39

When the Bush administration came to power, however, it decided to give the Taliban one last chance. This last chance occurred at a four-day meeting in Berlin in July 2001, which would need to be mentioned in any realistic account of how the US war in Afghanistan came about. According to the Pakistani representative at this meeting, Niaz Naik, US representatives, trying to convince the Taliban to share power with US-friendly factions, said: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs."40 Naik said that he was told by Americans that "military action against Afghanistan would go ahead...before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest."41 The US attack on Afghanistan began, in fact, on October 7, which was as soon as the US military could get ready after 9/11.42
9/11: Possible Motives Of The Bush Administration

This retelling raises immediate questions. If bin Ladin is a "CIA asset", for instance, as we're often told, then why would he attack the US embassies in 1998? If pipelines through Afghanistan are so important, then why would Clinton launch a missile attack on Afghanistan that appears to have achieved nothing except contribute to the destruction of those projects? (And we’ve more about Niaz Naik on these pages.)

Whatever the reason, Unocal announced they were suspending activities related to the pipeline immediately after the missile strikes. Their statement, however, revealed this wasn’t the only issue (our emphasis):

Unocal Statement: Suspension of activities related to proposed natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan

El Segundo, Calif., Aug. 21, 1998 -- As a result of sharply deteriorating political conditions in the region, Unocal, which serves as the development manager for the Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline consortium, has suspended all activities involving the proposed pipeline project in Afghanistan. We are discussing this suspension with the other members of the consortium.

This decision to suspend activities is consistent with Unocal's long-held position concerning its involvement in the project. For the past several months, Unocal has been reviewing this project with CentGas participants. We have consistently informed the other participants that unless and until the United Nations and the United States government recognize a legitimate government in Afghanistan, Unocal would not invest capital in the project. Contrary to some published reports, Unocal has not - and will not - become a party to a commercial agreement with any individual Afghanistan faction.

Unocal was instrumental in proposing the Central Asia gas pipeline project in 1995 and in forming the seven-member CentGas consortium in October 1997. The consortium was formed to evaluate and, if appropriate, to participate in the future construction of a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to natural gas markets in Pakistan and, potentially, India.

Unocal will only participate in construction of the proposed Central Asia Gas Pipeline when and if Afghanistan achieves the peace and stability necessary to obtain financing from international lending agencies for this project and an established government is recognized by the United Nations and the United States. For this reason, we strongly support the United Nations conflict resolution process underway in this and other regions.

We believe that the CentGas pipeline would benefit the entire region by providing vitally needed energy infrastructure, employment and training, as well as hard currency revenues to the several countries involved. The proposed pipeline is an example of a large-scale project that may, after the appropriate conditions are met, help Afghanistan move from its present devastation toward economic reconstruction.

Since the pipeline project was first proposed, there have been a number of complex issues that Unocal has taken very seriously. Unocal recognizes the legitimate concerns regarding the treatment of women in Afghanistan. Consistent with our core values and business principles, Unocal is currently providing humanitarian support and skills training to Afghanistan through CARE and the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Neither program is designed to provide pipeline construction skills training. These programs meet or exceed UN guidelines for doing fieldwork in Afghanistan. They include basic job skills training and education for both men and women, and elementary education for boys and girls. Unocal has also contributed relief assistance for victims of the recent earthquakes through the Red Cross and the United Nations.
Unocal Statement: Suspension of activities related to proposed Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline 8/21/98

It's very clear that UNOCAL would not proceed with the project until the Taliban Government were recognised by the US. So if the pipelines were of such primary importance, why wouldn't they do this? United Nations recognition would still be required, but if America put their weight behind that, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't be able to make it happen.

The 9/11 Timeline's account of why Unocal abandoned the project isn't any more helpful to Griffin's case:

Unocal announces it is withdrawing from the CentGas pipeline consortium, and closing three of its four offices in Central Asia. President Clinton refuses to extend diplomatic recognition to the Taliban, making business there legally problematic. A concern that Clinton will lose support among women voters for upholding the Taliban plays a role in the cancellation. [New York Times, 12/5/1998]
Centgas

Again US recognition (or the lack of it) is apparently a major problem, and Clinton appears to put concerns about the Taliban's treatment of woman, and how recognition would play with US voters, ahead of any pipeline concerns. This really doesn't suggest a project so vital it becomes a motive for 9/11 less than three years later. And when you examine the timeline more closely, this seems even less likely.

In his earlier account, for instance, Griffin reported that "Rashid, finishing his book in mid-1999, wrote that the Clinton Administration had shifted its support to the pipeline route from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey, adding that "by now nobody wanted to touch Afghanistan and the Taliban."" What he didn't mention is that Clinton signed an agreement to proceed with this pipeline in November 1999:

Agreement signed in Istanbul on US-backed Caspian oil pipeline
By Patrick Richter
30 November 1999

On November 18 and 19, representatives of 55 nations met in Istanbul, Turkey at a summit meeting of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The United States sent a top-level delegation, including President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and National Security Adviser Samuel Berger. Clinton combined participation at the summit with a five-day state visit underscoring Washington's strategic alliance with the Turkish regime.

On the fringes of the conference Clinton presided over the signing of an agreement to take forward the construction of an oil pipeline from the Azeri capital of Baku, on the western shore of the Caspian Sea, through Georgia to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan. The building of this oil pipeline, and a second pipeline for natural gas from Baku to Turkey, occupies a pivotal place in Washington‘s strategy to secure US dominance over Transcaucasia and Central Asia, a region believed to contain the biggest untapped reserves of oil and natural gas in the world.

Estimates of the oil reserves fluctuate between 3 and 28 billion tons. A figure of around 10 billion tons is regarded as most likely. This amounts to 7 percent of total world oil reserves. The gas reserves are estimated to be between 8 and 18 trillion cubic metres, i.e., 6 to 13 percent of world reserves.

For American policy makers, realization of a pipeline that skirts both Russia and Iran will not only mean huge revenues for US-based energy companies, but also US dominance over former Soviet Republics that were traditionally within the Russian sphere of influence. The deal signed in Istanbul is certain to exacerbate tensions between the US and Russia, and intensify an already intense struggle for influence in the Caspian between Washington and its Western European allies.
Agreement signed in Istanbul on US-backed Caspian oil pipeline

Let's recap. America themselves contributed to the killing of the Afghan pipeline project by refusing to recognise the Taliban, and launching a missile attack on bin Ladin. Griffin's own source tells us that they shifted their support to another route that didn't cross Afghanistan, and agreement was achieved to "take forward the construction" of that back in 1999. Why, then, attack Afghanistan after 9/11?

Looking at what's happened since 9/11 offers no more clues. These articles, for example, imply that there is now a pipeline through Afghanistan (our emphasis):

Mr. Rove, the first thing that I would like to address is Afghanistan - the place that anyone with a true "understanding of 9/11" knows is a nation that actually has a connection to the 9/11 attacks. One month after 9/11, we invaded Afghanistan, took down the Taliban, and left without capturing Usama Bin Laden - the alleged perpetrator of the September 11th attacks. In the meantime, Afghanistan has carried out democratic elections, but continues to suffer from extreme violence and unrest. Poppy production (yes, Karl, the drug trade) is at an all time high, thus flooding the world market with heroin. And of course, the oil pipeline (a.k.a. the Caspian Sea pipeline) is better protected by U.S. troops who now have a "legitimate" excuse to be in that part of Afghanistan. Interesting isn't it Karl that the drug "rat line" parallels the oil pipeline. (Yet, with all those troops guarding that same sliver of land, can you please explain how those drugs keep getting through?)
Kristen Breitweiser: Karl Rove's "Understanding of 9/11"

We attacked Afghanistan because of 9-11 and this Administration, the Clinton – Gore Administration and the 9-11 Commission have yet to admit that Bridas Corporation beat US oil companies to the punch and had signed up the parties to build the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. They had also, in 1992 and 1993, signed huge oil and gas leases in Turkmenistan and had to have that pipeline to get the oil and gas to the oceans, just like our Big Oil companies and UK too. We now control that pipeline through use of military force resulting from 9-11 and they still cannot find Osama bin Laden, and have not even been looking for him. They had an agenda that could only be sold as a lie.
http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/911Pentagon.htm

Lauro Chavez: ...But, yeah, I thought we were going to Afghanistan to hunt down Bin Laden. I’m helping in the search to hunt down Bin Laden. No. Not the case. Actually, I actually was providing communications for special ops guys and then I was pulling roving guard, guarding the pipeline.

Q - Guarding the pipeline for oil for United States... corporate, right?

Lauro Chavez: That’s right. A lot of people don’t know about the pipeline. A lot of people, when I talk about that are like, “What are you talking about?” And I’m like, “Dude, there’s a huge... like, the Alaskan pipeline, that comes all the way through Afghanistan, like down in the Gulf, it comes through Pakistan...” I don’t know where all it goes, honestly I haven’t really found a whole lot on it, but... I was, I had to pull shifts, like every two or three days they’d..... I’ve have to pull a six hour rotation, on top of a humvica(?) driving around pieces, these sections of this pipeline to make sure that, ya know, like, guys weren’t going to come blow it up. And ya know, then, that’s when I started thinking, I’m like, I’m like, well, “What am I here for man? I’m not protecting people, I’m protecting oil!” Ya know, who wants to get shot for that? They give you guys awards, ya know, and I’m just like, “For what? Ya know, what did we do? We protected someone’s money. Ya know, somebody’s investment.”
BELLACIAO - Veteran in Central Command Bunker on 9/11 Speaks Out - Cathy Garger

They are wrong. There is no Trans-Afghan pipeline. There is a deal to build one, but construction hasn’t begun yet, and some doubt whether it can happen given the current situation:

KABUL, Afghanistan, April 17, 2006 (ENS) - The deal has been signed, the partners agreed. Within the next two years, Afghan government officials say, construction will begin on a major gas pipeline that will extend from energy rich Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan, and perhaps on to India.

But even before the ink had dried on the mid-February agreement in Ashgabat, analysts were second guessing the deal. Despite the brave face shown by the major players, this latest plan could follow several early versions into oblivion – and for the same reason, that instability in Afghanistan casts doubt over any infrastructure project, especially such a big one.
Afghanistan's New Pipeline Deal May Be Just Another Pipe Dream

Meanwhile, the oil pipeline that Clinton supported, from the Caspian sea to Ceyhan in Turkey (and so avoiding Afghanistan altogether) is now open.

A pipeline from Central Asia to China has been running since 2005:

A 960-km-long pipeline connecting Kazakhstan with China has began pumping oil in December 2005. The $700-million project was completed by the China National Petroleum Corp and KazMunaiGaz Company of Kazakhstan in a record period of just one year. It holds an initial annual capacity of 10 million tons and full capacity of 20 million tons.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=30039

And that Pakistan article also spells out how another pipeline agreement in the region has come about through a route far more secure than anything Afghanistan can currently offer:

China and Pakistan have agreed in principle to build a trans-Karakoram oil pipeline along the Karakoram Highway to connect the Middle East with the north-western China through Gwadar. The pipeline once in place can set the stage for another rewarding oil bridge from the landlocked Central Asia to the world market. On the pattern of the trans-Alaska pipeline, it would be possible to build an oil grid starting from Turkmenistan or Kazakhstan travelling through Tajikistan and the uninhabited Wakhan corridor and the peaceful Ashkoman valley of the Northern Areas to converge with the trans-Karakoram pipeline at around Gilgit for onward transportation to Gwadar...

The trans-Karakoram oil-gas pipeline has brighter prospects because of the relatively secure environment along the proposed route. The Northern Areas as we know is a unique pivot which brings China, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India within the radius of 250 kilometres of each other. It will enable Caspian oil to reach the world oil market, particularly the rapidly growing economies in Asia, bypassing conflict-prone and politically problematic countries like Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, Armenia, Chechnya and even Georgia. The proposed route also bypasses the comparatively troubled spots within Pakistan like the Tribal Areas and the restive Balochistan province. Chinese willing, there is an option to pull the line straight from Gilgit up to Karachi through Punjab instead of Gwadar. As for recent history of violence in Gilgit, the issues there are of a very local nature mainly stemming from administrative inadequacies which can be addressed once the economic stakes are appropriately acknowledged.

The Caspian region in Central Asia houses phenomenal energy reserves. Here, the proven natural gas reserves are estimated at more than 236 trillion cubic feet, and estimated oil reserves range up to 243 billion barrels. But since almost all the oil infrastructures in the region were developed during the Soviet era, they are designed and directed to the advantage of Moscow, in which Russia maintained a tight control over oil exports from its former Soviet colonies to the outside world.

The BTC pipeline was the first serious effort to wean Central Asia away from the Russian clutches. According to an assessment by US Department of Energy, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan alone sit on more than 130 billion barrel oil, three times more than the United State's own reserves. Being a country where four per cent of the world's population consumes about one-fourth of global energy output, it is but natural for the US to keep a good calculation of the world's oil wells. Besides, given the fast rate of resource depletion, and the chronic political uncertainties the Middle East continues to suffer, it is only prudent for the world to look for oil in remote places like the Caspian.

In the 1990s the Unocal-led consortium had brought Pakistan and a number of Central Asian republics around to an idea of building a 1,040-mile-long oil pipeline from the Caspian region to an export terminal at Karachi through Afghanistan. The pipeline would have a capacity of one million barrels of oil per day. Later on Unocal and a Turkish firm also came up with a plan to construct a gas pipeline linking Turkmenistan's rich gas fields with markets in Pakistan and India. The proposed 790-mile pipeline would have travelled through Afghanistan to Multan, and also onward to an Indian pipeline.

However, continued instability and chaos in Afghanistan made it difficult for the financers to go ahead with the projects. Though the situation in Afghanistan remains murky, the recent progress made by China and Pakistan concerning up-gradation of the 1300-km Karakoram Highway with a parallel initiative of an oil pipeline, a fibre optic line and with a proposal to lay railway tracks is poised to transform the dynamics of oil business in the region in many ways. Needless to say, there will be potential political and environmental spillovers which will deserve dedicated discussions later on.

At the moment both China and South Asia are experiencing a sharp rise in the demand for energy, which is likely to be doubled by the coming decade. Political turmoil in the Middle East and Afghanistan makes it all the more urgent for these countries to seek alternate and reliable energy routes. The trans-Karakoram oil pipeline may not solve their energy problems for good but it will certainly give these countries enough time to do something for the future.

Currently China's 80 per cent oil imports passes through the narrow and piracy-prone Malacca straits. The trans-Karakorum pipeline will allow it to import oil in a more secure and sustainable mode. For Pakistan, and the rest of the world it opens more exciting opportunities to unlock the true business potential of the landlocked Caspian oil.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=30039
 
So what in gods name are you trying to say?
Jet planes
turned into scud missiles
flew into 3 buildings and one field
So you are comparing commercial aircraft to a genuine Scud missile? What in Gods name are YOU trying to say?
The only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?

Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
 
I did not realize how screwed up the people that claim 9-11 was an inside job until I wrote this thread
"the only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?"

My point is that person who wrote that never will have to make that choice thousands had to make that day
Burn to death, or jump
I do not care which side of this fantasy any-one stands on. The people who made the movies with these claims made profit off of you

To allow this fantasy to take anyones life to a point in which those peoples choices that day are forgotten
Speaks volumes for that persons ability to make any rash decisions
I will pray for them
 
I did not realize how screwed up the people that claim 9-11 was an inside job until I wrote this thread

Oh, you're just scratching the surface...

Thats nuts
Those people burned to death or jumped to there death and that cat says "we all know the fuel burned up in seconds"
Like that was part of the reason it was an inside job?
do you think these people believe that?
 
I did not realize how screwed up the people that claim 9-11 was an inside job until I wrote this thread

Oh, you're just scratching the surface...

Thats nuts
Those people burned to death or jumped to there death and that cat says "we all know the fuel burned up in seconds"
Like that was part of the reason it was an inside job?
do you think these people believe that?

Yes, I do think they believe that.
 
So what in gods name are you trying to say?
Jet planes
turned into scud missiles
flew into 3 buildings and one field
So you are comparing commercial aircraft to a genuine Scud missile? What in Gods name are YOU trying to say?
The only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?

Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
Don't try to distort what I'm saying, you compared the jetliners to Scud missiles which is obviously stupid. As far as the fires in the buildings, NIST has even said the kerosene was consumed shortly after the planes impact, further discrediting the claim that the fires severely melted/weakened the steel enough-at all the critical points -at the same time-to cause a symmetrical collapse of all 3 buildings-in near freefall speed- Think about-Asymmetrical damage equaling Symmetrical collapse? :cuckoo:
This is not to say there weren't fires in the buildings, that made people choose between 2 horrible deaths, but to compare the planes to Scud weaponry, and to think the fires-as horrible as some pockets were to some people who had the misfortune to be within proximity of them -caused the obliteration of the WTC is nutz-the argument goes- office fires could not have caused the symmetrical collapses, considering that heat hot enough to do so, would have to travel to the critical points, at the same time with the same intensity, for the wtc to collapse as they did.
Heat applied at one point, would travel to another point, but by the time it reached it, it would be substantially cooler -One of steel's best qualities and a major reason it is used in building construction is its ability to dissipate heat quickly and stand up unscathed in even the worst "towering inferno".

It is now acknowledged that most of the jet fuel - which is highly volatile - was consumed in the first few minutes by the huge fireballs at the time of impact. The idea that large pools of jet fuel could be burning for the entire 1-2 hours until the Towers fell is not consistent with the behavior of a volatile and highly flammable liquid in a high temperature environment. It would have either ignited, or - if inadequate oxygen was available to support combustion - it would have left the building as a vapor along with the smoke. Indeed, the smell of jet fuel was reported over a wide area.

The burning jet fuel did of course start the fires inside the buildings (which were more severe in the North Tower where more of the jet fuel was taken inside the building) but the jet fuel could not have been a significant ongoing fuel for the fires. Known combustible materials within the buildings(carpets, desks, paper, plastics, etc.) are also mostly hydrocarbon in nature and can produce combustion temperatures no higher than jet fuel. House fires typically produce temperatures in the500 - 650˚C range.
 
So what in gods name are you trying to say?
Jet planes
turned into scud missiles
flew into 3 buildings and one field
So you are comparing commercial aircraft to a genuine Scud missile? What in Gods name are YOU trying to say?
The only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?

Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, or are doing a poor job of distorting what is actually being said. :cuckoo: I vote for both.
 
So you are comparing commercial aircraft to a genuine Scud missile? What in Gods name are YOU trying to say?
The only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?

Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
Don't try to distort what I'm saying, you compared the jetliners to Scud missiles which is obviously stupid. As far as the fires in the buildings, NIST has even said the kerosene was consumed shortly after the planes impact, further discrediting the claim that the fires severely melted/weakened the steel enough-at all the critical points -at the same time-to cause a symmetrical collapse of all 3 buildings-in near freefall speed- Think about-Asymmetrical damage equaling Symmetrical collapse? :cuckoo:
This is not to say there weren't fires in the buildings, that made people choose between 2 horrible deaths, but to compare the planes to Scud weaponry, and to think the fires-as horrible as some pockets were to some people who had the misfortune to be within proximity of them -caused the obliteration of the WTC is nutz-the argument goes- office fires could not have caused the symmetrical collapses, considering that heat hot enough to do so, would have to travel to the critical points, at the same time with the same intensity, for the wtc to collapse as they did.
Heat applied at one point, would travel to another point, but by the time it reached it, it would be substantially cooler -One of steel's best qualities and a major reason it is used in building construction is its ability to dissipate heat quickly and stand up unscathed in even the worst "towering inferno".

It is now acknowledged that most of the jet fuel - which is highly volatile - was consumed in the first few minutes by the huge fireballs at the time of impact. The idea that large pools of jet fuel could be burning for the entire 1-2 hours until the Towers fell is not consistent with the behavior of a volatile and highly flammable liquid in a high temperature environment. It would have either ignited, or - if inadequate oxygen was available to support combustion - it would have left the building as a vapor along with the smoke. Indeed, the smell of jet fuel was reported over a wide area.

The burning jet fuel did of course start the fires inside the buildings (which were more severe in the North Tower where more of the jet fuel was taken inside the building) but the jet fuel could not have been a significant ongoing fuel for the fires. Known combustible materials within the buildings(carpets, desks, paper, plastics, etc.) are also mostly hydrocarbon in nature and can produce combustion temperatures no higher than jet fuel. House fires typically produce temperatures in the500 - 650˚C range.

Dude I am at lose as where to go from here with you. I wrote this thread thinking there would be rational discussion as to the events that took place on 9-11

let me get this straight

there was a fire, but the fire was not hot enough to cause the collapse
the 'planes" where just to deceive the world, and thats all they where
and that the damage that would have done if the fire goes on without any-one trying to put it out or un-able to put it out does not do enough damage to get us into war so we can build a pipeline across a country that 10 years later it is still not built

Ok
 
Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
Don't try to distort what I'm saying, you compared the jetliners to Scud missiles which is obviously stupid. As far as the fires in the buildings, NIST has even said the kerosene was consumed shortly after the planes impact, further discrediting the claim that the fires severely melted/weakened the steel enough-at all the critical points -at the same time-to cause a symmetrical collapse of all 3 buildings-in near freefall speed- Think about-Asymmetrical damage equaling Symmetrical collapse? :cuckoo:
This is not to say there weren't fires in the buildings, that made people choose between 2 horrible deaths, but to compare the planes to Scud weaponry, and to think the fires-as horrible as some pockets were to some people who had the misfortune to be within proximity of them -caused the obliteration of the WTC is nutz-the argument goes- office fires could not have caused the symmetrical collapses, considering that heat hot enough to do so, would have to travel to the critical points, at the same time with the same intensity, for the wtc to collapse as they did.
Heat applied at one point, would travel to another point, but by the time it reached it, it would be substantially cooler -One of steel's best qualities and a major reason it is used in building construction is its ability to dissipate heat quickly and stand up unscathed in even the worst "towering inferno".

It is now acknowledged that most of the jet fuel - which is highly volatile - was consumed in the first few minutes by the huge fireballs at the time of impact. The idea that large pools of jet fuel could be burning for the entire 1-2 hours until the Towers fell is not consistent with the behavior of a volatile and highly flammable liquid in a high temperature environment. It would have either ignited, or - if inadequate oxygen was available to support combustion - it would have left the building as a vapor along with the smoke. Indeed, the smell of jet fuel was reported over a wide area.

The burning jet fuel did of course start the fires inside the buildings (which were more severe in the North Tower where more of the jet fuel was taken inside the building) but the jet fuel could not have been a significant ongoing fuel for the fires. Known combustible materials within the buildings(carpets, desks, paper, plastics, etc.) are also mostly hydrocarbon in nature and can produce combustion temperatures no higher than jet fuel. House fires typically produce temperatures in the500 - 650˚C range.

Dude I am at lose as where to go from here with you. I wrote this thread thinking there would be rational discussion as to the events that took place on 9-11

let me get this straight

there was a fire, but the fire was not hot enough to cause the collapse
the 'planes" where just to deceive the world, and thats all they where
and that the damage that would have done if the fire goes on without any-one trying to put it out or un-able to put it out does not do enough damage to get us into war so we can build a pipeline across a country that 10 years later it is still not built

Ok

One thing you'll notice with twoofers is that they will never ever go point by point and answer questions. Get ready for another 2-3 paragraphs of insults with no answers at all. Thats how she rolls.
 
So you are comparing commercial aircraft to a genuine Scud missile? What in Gods name are YOU trying to say?
The only thing they have in common is the possible use of kerosene as fuel, which we all know burned up in the first few minutes of impact with the WTC towers. Your point?

Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, or are doing a poor job of distorting what is actually being said. :cuckoo: I vote for both.

thats why he wont pick up that book and read it.He cant read.:lol::lol: well he cant read the truth since it scares him.:lol:
 
Really?
That is so far removed from reality i am not sure what to say
Would the word projectile be better?
and as far as burning up in seconds
There are days I wonder if you would have had to make that choice
JUMP
BURN TO DEATH
If you would make that claim?
I wish no-one harm, but to claim while the entire world watched those people;e jump to there death is fucked up, thats sick beyond words
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, or are doing a poor job of distorting what is actually being said. :cuckoo: I vote for both.

thats why he wont pick up that book and read it.He cant read.:lol::lol: well he cant read the truth since it scares him.:lol:

I need to read a book that tells me there was a fire at the WTC? after the Jets crashed until the buildings?
And that this book tells me that the Jets where just a diversion? and thank god there was explosives, both of those buildings where just about put out huh?
I mean the NYC fire dept was so close to putting those fires out
This "book" whats it about 19.95?
Guys There is no intent here
the pipeline was never built
and Halliburton made 3-4% profit, there stocks went up
You people really think a group of people sit around and created a chain of events and then put them in place that would cost 10,000 american lives, billions in wealth that was lost just in the stock market, the loss of the WTCs, the companies, the we lath, the people, just so a pipe line could be put in one country and Halliburton could make get some work?
Guys you think some book is going to convince me of that?
have any of you stopped and thought about this?
 
One thing you'll notice with twoofers is that they will never ever go point by point and answer questions. Get ready for another 2-3 paragraphs of insults with no answers at all. Thats how she rolls.
You're one to talk, you reply to posts with insults and disparaging remarks and now you want to cry about getting the same treatment thrown back in your face, what a hypocrite.
 
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, or are doing a poor job of distorting what is actually being said. :cuckoo: I vote for both.

thats why he wont pick up that book and read it.He cant read.:lol::lol: well he cant read the truth since it scares him.:lol:

I need to read a book that tells me there was a fire at the WTC? after the Jets crashed until the buildings?
And that this book tells me that the Jets where just a diversion? and thank god there was explosives, both of those buildings where just about put out huh?
I mean the NYC fire dept was so close to putting those fires out
This "book" whats it about 19.95?
Guys There is no intent here
the pipeline was never built
and Halliburton made 3-4% profit, there stocks went up
You people really think a group of people sit around and created a chain of events and then put them in place that would cost 10,000 american lives, billions in wealth that was lost just in the stock market, the loss of the WTCs, the companies, the we lath, the people, just so a pipe line could be put in one country and Halliburton could make get some work?
Guys you think some book is going to convince me of that?
have any of you stopped and thought about this?

Please go back to sleep, your naivety is stupendous.
 
One thing you'll notice with twoofers is that they will never ever go point by point and answer questions. Get ready for another 2-3 paragraphs of insults with no answers at all. Thats how she rolls.
You're one to talk, you reply to posts with insults and disparaging remarks and now you want to cry about getting the same treatment thrown back in your face, what a hypocrite.

exactly.could not have said it better myself.:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

This troll is such a major hypocrite its a joke.He is so pathetic with his hypocrisy that I finally did the smart thing and stopped trying to reason with this dumbfuck hypocrite.

Look at his hypocrisy here of what he stated below after all me and that other poster Mudwhistle did was point out the evidence and facts for him that he has been brainwashed by the government and media,yet the hypocrite whines about being insulted when HE threw the FIRST punch at me and Mudwhistle
with his childish tin foil hatters comment and how he always evades the evidence and facts and doesnt read our links we post..what a pathetic hypocrite.:cuckoo: wonder how old this kid is?:lol: as you can see below,he threw the first insult with his tin foil comment and is now whining about having insults thrown at him while he keeps evading the evidence and wont look at links or videos.lol.



http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...d-saudis-with-pocket-knives-nothing-else.html

well the tin hat group here is alive and well

Why the Airliners? I mean the first time they tried to blow up the WTC they used explosives. Why go thru all of this just to blow it up after the shock?
Your theory does not hold water

I also have often asked my self why so much effort with this when one dirty bomb from Iraq would have been so much better

Why did we do this and then forget to leave some weapons grade Uranium laying around?

He was the one that threw the first insult calling me and that other poster tin foil hatters when we threw no insults at all.we just pointed out the facts and evidence for him.and once he knew he could not debunk them,he started evading the evidence and facts.:lol:
This troll is so stupid he probably doesnt even know what a hypocrite is.


THEN when he posted that link in his pathetic attempt to debunk that video of mine,when i posed MY two links that debunked his link,as you can see,he could only stand there and throw childish insults instead of doing the mature thing and admitting he had been proven wrong and that his link was debunked by my two links..how pathetic.

Notice how the hypocrite troll could only come back and throw THIS insult below and ran away with his tail between his legs when he was confronted with overwhwelming evidence the towers were brought down by explosives he could not debunk? :lol::lol::lol:

Dude good luck with this
I feel sorry for you


http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...saudis-with-pocket-knives-nothing-else-3.html

talk about a coward who evades the evidence and facts and has to stoop to flinging insults when he cant refute the evidence and facts!!!!!:lol::lol::lol:
 
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One thing you'll notice with twoofers is that they will never ever go point by point and answer questions. Get ready for another 2-3 paragraphs of insults with no answers at all. Thats how she rolls.
You're one to talk, you reply to posts with insults and disparaging remarks and now you want to cry about getting the same treatment thrown back in your face, what a hypocrite.

After I take a stand on what I think happened based no evidence, facts, and common sense. I don't cry about your attempts at insulting people; I understand that is your lone weapon. It makes me laugh that it is all that remains but of course it's not as if you fell off of Mount Olympus to this lowly depth. You were a bottom feeder to start with. Too bad; so sad.

Merely, I was advising the relative newcomer to your tactic (singular). Its all you have.
 

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