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    USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)

    interesting link....below is written by a friend...

    about 6 months ago I was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. This is out of context, but this is the actual question as asked. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer, how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground." Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.


    The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota ; western South Dakota ; and extreme eastern Montana .... check THIS out:

    The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

    'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea..' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.

    'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years' reports, The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

    That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight.
    THAT'S RIGHT. 2,041 YEARS STRAIGHT!!!!
    2. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from TWO YEARS AGO!

    U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!
    Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

    Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

    They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

    - 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
    - 18-times as much oil as Iraq
    - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
    - 22-times as much oil as Iran
    - 500-times as much oil as Yemen
    - and it's all right here in the Western United States .

    HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

    James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.

    Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
     
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    I wasn't aware of the oil that existed but it doesn't suprise me-----I'm guessing the public is a pawn caught between some energy barons that use politics for wealth.
     
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    That's fuckin' AWESOME!!!

    And it's in the MIDDLE of the country so it would be easy to get it from place to place.

    But what happens in 2041 years from now?

    Do we really want to burden our children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children with a lack of oil?
     
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    yes
     
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    That would be like a small creature living on the surface of an orange, and discovering that just a little ways below the peel, there was enough orange juice to last for 100,000,000,000 years!
     
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    We want global warming to prevent them from experiencing the next ice age.
     
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    Another Moody Blues fan...
     
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    People! People!

    Where's the respect for all the velicoraptors who died oh so long ago to become this "fossil fuels"?

    Our national energy policy can only be described as Economic suicide. If the next Administration continues this disastrous course we should hit Ctrl Alt Del twice and reboot the government.
     
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    You people are so full of shit and misinformation. The Bakken will never be more than a minor producer. Welcome, but not anything to shout about.

    The Oil Drum | The Bakken Formation: How Much Will It Help?

    If 500 million barrels turns out to be the ultimate recovery, the recovery factor would range from 0.13% to 0.25% of estimated oil in place. This very low percentage recovery of the estimated oil in place is not unreasonable if one considers that many of the more marginal areas of the field are likely to be deemed sub-economic and will never be drilled and produced. Technology improvements that will inevitably be made during an era of high energy prices will undoubtedly render some of this more marginal oil recoverable, but the total recovery is still likely to be low.

    The USGS numbers are notable for their apparent certainty of the size of the undiscovered resources. The p5/p95 ratio is one measure of the spread or uncertainty of a probabilistic estimate. The USGS oil numbers show ratios of 1.2 to 1.9, which is quite surprising. These low ratios imply that the USGS is highly confident in their recoverable resource estimates. One would have thought that a 5X or 10X spread in this ratio would be more plausible considering that 85% to 90% of the resources has not yet been discovered. Perhaps when the detailed report is released, the logic behind this narrow range will be revealed. In the mean time, I remain highly skeptical that such a large resource with an unknown variability of fracture density, porosity, and recovery factor, and other factors, can be quantified with such precision.

    If we could actually produce 3.6 billion barrels of undiscovered oil forecast at the P50 level by USGS, how much would this equate to? The US uses about 7.6 billion barrels of oil products a year, according to EIA data. This is equivalent to just under six month's US oil use, spread over a very long period, probably 20 years or more. If total production amounts to only 500 million barrels, as I have suggested, this would equate to about 23 days worth of United States oil usage, spread over many, many years.

    Looking at future production another way, the recent peak in production has been 75,000 barrels of oil per day (discussed in more detail below). Even if operators are able to triple this amount, the resulting production of 225,000 barrels a day (which would be a considerable challenge), will amount to only about 1.1% of US oil consumption, assuming the US uses about 20.7 barrels of oil a day, based on EIA data.


    If we can reach 225,000 barrels of oil per day, the history of Bakken suggest this level would be short-lived - the peak production will probably last for a year or less - because as we shall see below, total Bakken production can be expected to decline to 50% or less of its peak rate within a few years, because of the steep decline rate of individual wells.
     
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    O.R., a half billion barrels isn't chump change. "Minor producers" add up. Your quoted article does shed new light on the subject but I don't think it exactly trivializes the project.
     
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    There's already 25 times more there than we thought who know what else awaits once we start actually drilling
     
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    Still- nothing wrong with doing a little forward-thinking, and getting a windmill for the ol' ranch house..

    500,000,000 is NOTHING. It is not enough to cook on a stove for your family, and keep warm, for a full month. Do you understand that, Mr H? It is NOTHING.

    Even if we do find a few trillion.. It is still barely enough to keep afloat with.
     
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    Anything we can do to get off foreign oil is a good move. If we buy less on the foreign market, oil prices will drop. Any drop in oil prices would help to boost the economy. If oil companies want to drill there, I say let them drill.
     
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    First let me say Old Crock is a complete moron, I will provide the proof.

    Oil, you know why we dont use our oil, its heavy crude, it costs much more to refine. Saudi Oil is the best oil in the world because its the cheapest to refine, light weet crude. We should continue to use all the Middle Eastern oil until there is no more, its our right. Suck on that liberal fools.

    We will never develop our oil when the profit in middle eastern oil is so great

    Thats right, lets use all the oil in the Middle East, lets also take that marxist chavez's oil, lets leave the tyrants with nothing than they will have no power. I know the pacifiist will cry that we will get killed but not if we kill them first. The only problem with our wars of late is that we have not practised total war, get rid of the lawyers and the psycho doctors and just take the oil, take the oil for fun, the Arab respects strenght, as long as we fight like weaklings the Arabs will not respect us, if we destroy all who oppose the Arabs will gladly be our freinds, its in their nature.

    Here is an Arab proverb; If you are weak you dont deserve our help, if you are strong you dont need our help

    The stronger we fight, the weaker Allah is, the Arab beleif is Allah commands all, if we win it was Allah's will. Not all Arabs are zealots so many will see our strength as an indication that there is no Allah and that the christian god of Jesus is the true god, many will convert, many convert every day and this is the dirty secret of the world, the more successful we are the less Moslems beleive in Islam and thus convert to christianity.

    As for old crock, old crock has no idea what he posts, one example here to show Old Crock does not understand or read his links and sources. Why should we follow an old crock link if old crock has not read the link or even understand what the source states.

     
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    OMG I just figured out who you really are...

    Osama? Dat you boy? :lol:
     
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    Well, I think Mdn did prove that someone was a moron:lol:
     
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    Estimates are that there is as much as 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale within the US. However, there are no technological means of getting at the barrels in an economic manner at the current time. I have seen estimates that given the current rate of technological improvements, we will be pulling out 3 million barrels a day by 2040. We currently import 8 million barrels a day now.
     
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    I wont argue with Old Crock when he is right.

     
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    we have more oil in shale deposits then all of the middle east combined...
     
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    Sure, but the quality of the Oil in the Middle East is far superior, that is why we are not devoloping our oil.

    Republican or Democcrat, both parties have put a show on, both parties are in the pocket of big oil. I think they should be honest about this.

    I have no problem taking Middle Eastern oil, those who will use the oil to better mankind have the right to the oil. Historically that has been the USA.

    I only have a problem appeasing tryants, we can take the oil and tell the tryants to get lost.
     

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