Oil prices are dropping...

[Ag107.87]

You're telling me twice to shoot myself and you think that I'm the one with a temper problem? LOL

I will not share the details with anyone, and my opinions are based or solid real facts, and shaped by any extremist political or social agenda

You even admit to having an extremist political or social agenda. I ask, what is that agenda that you have?

As usual, your ilk will only accept "data" that supports your extremist ilk and when people don;t buy your line of lunacy, you get mad like a little four year old and throw a temper tantrum.

I'd happily accept any data that crosses my path and will scrutinize it. If it holds, I accept it. I've had to bite my tongue and do that many times and admit that I was wrong. If you can show me that I'm wrong on these assertions, I'd deeply apologize. But you seem extremely stubborn, so I doubt that will happen.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Care to actually cite your sources? Or is this just BS like your other jokes that you stated for facts like OPEC and our importers? Why would you think I, or anyone, would think you had ANY credibility when you 1) don't cite sources and 2) have already shown a complete ineptitude with respect to oil?

You simply saying a number or two does nothing to convince me that those numbers are anywhere near being correct. You're going to have to at least put a little effort into proving it. Would you care to?

If you can't provide the source for your oil production and consumption numbers, would you care to provide a source for US oil import sources? Or how about who is in OPEC? Can you at least do that?

I'm really interested in knowing why you can't provide a single source for anything you say.

As I have said before, I do not link sources on internet message forums. I have no duty to convince you or anyone. There are plenty of "sources" that back anyones numbers they want to quote here. I have 100%, rock solid faith in mine, and that is all I need. If you want to trust others that's fine.

The classic doomsday whiners that post here consistently post links showing demand always outstripping supply by hundreds of thousands of barrels a day, yet no shipment has ever been missed because of lack to supply. And every oil company official commercial of government owned, states there is no supply problem and won't be any time soon....

As to why. When you have 1000 posts on this forum on 100 different threads, you will come to fully understand why I never bother posting links to anything on a message forum and never will. I don't have to in order to credibly make my point with the mainstream posters on the forum.

The nutballs, like you, I don't usually even care about

 

[Zoomie1980]

You're telling me twice to shoot myself and you think that I'm the one with a temper problem? LOL



You even admit to having an extremist political or social agenda. I ask, what is that agenda that you have?



I'd happily accept any data that crosses my path and will scrutinize it. If it holds, I accept it. I've had to bite my tongue and do that many times and admit that I was wrong. If you can show me that I'm wrong on these assertions, I'd deeply apologize. But you seem extremely stubborn, so I doubt that will happen.

My agenda?

America will be fine. Our people are still smart. Mostly have character. We will figure it out. America has problems, but has always had problems, always will and we will work them out in time. I have no concerns about our future

I don;'t care about gay marriage, abortion or any other socio-political crap.
Al Gore is full of crap but so is Jerry Falwell. Bill Clinton was a waste and so was Bush....both of them. I believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the American people. Beyond that, I don't really care. I make good money, my retirement is secure, my kids are well educated and smart. I care about nothing else, very much, anyway.... I believe in self-reliance, and that if you are of sound mind and body in the US and you are poor, you DESERVE to be so. That's about it.

 

[Zoomie1980]

You're telling me twice to shoot myself and you think that I'm the one with a temper problem? LOL



You even admit to having an extremist political or social agenda. I ask, what is that agenda that you have?



I'd happily accept any data that crosses my path and will scrutinize it. If it holds, I accept it. I've had to bite my tongue and do that many times and admit that I was wrong. If you can show me that I'm wrong on these assertions, I'd deeply apologize. But you seem extremely stubborn, so I doubt that will happen.

No, you are obviously a very angry and bitter little man that whines a lot about what his fellow Americans do or don't do. You are obviously miserable, so just shoot yourself, you won't care, then.

As for your take on oil, you must have longed the market and are pissed that you are now getting margin calls..... LOL!!!

 

[Zoomie1980]

You're telling me twice to shoot myself and you think that I'm the one with a temper problem? LOL



You even admit to having an extremist political or social agenda. I ask, what is that agenda that you have?



I'd happily accept any data that crosses my path and will scrutinize it. If it holds, I accept it. I've had to bite my tongue and do that many times and admit that I was wrong. If you can show me that I'm wrong on these assertions, I'd deeply apologize. But you seem extremely stubborn, so I doubt that will happen.

NOT based on extemist philosophy.

I am a pragmatist and have no real political agenda. The hard right religious nutballs are as screwed up as the socialist moveon.org nutcases....and the "modern civilization is going crumble because of oil" bigots.

 

[Annie]

Use oil industry numbers that they, themselves use for their own strategic planning. Do not use "independent" or government based numbers as they either have political bias's or do not have access to accurate or real time data. If you have a clearance, use US or UK military sources and do your own analysis.

Meaning, you don't. Ok.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Meaning, you don't. Ok.

I have hundreds of sources for information about oil. Almost none of them are linkable on the Internet. And as I have said, I gave up linking stuff here anywhere, because no matter what people link, it doesn't matter, they will debunk it somehow. I know I debunk links all the time.

I trust my data. Most of the time I can make cases or debunk arguments based on the links other post here, so let everyone else do the skut work. In a lot of cases a great case can be made against people here using their own links against them.

Bottom line, I will rarely link anything here in support of an opinion. It takes a lot of time to find it all and link it and in the end, it's a waste of time anyway. Especially when I derive my opinions from literally hundreds of sources anyway and no one of them tells the story.

 

[Annie]

I have hundreds of sources for information about oil. Almost none of them are linkable on the Internet. And as I have said, I gave up linking stuff here anywhere, because no matter what people link, it doesn't matter, they will debunk it somehow. I know I debunk links all the time.

I trust my data. Most of the time I can make cases or debunk arguments based on the links other post here, so let everyone else do the skut work. In a lot of cases a great case can be made against people here using their own links against them.

Bottom line, I will rarely link anything here in support of an opinion. It takes a lot of time to find it all and link it and in the end, it's a waste of time anyway. Especially when I derive my opinions from literally hundreds of sources anyway and no one of them tells the story.

Again, ok. The opinion is worth what it is, unsubstantiated.

 

[Paulie]

By 2015 over 25% of Iowa, Nebraska and the Dakota's electric power will come from WIND. The rest will continue to be nuclear and coal, which we have at least 100 year supply of.

Car's, by 2015 there I doubt there will be many traditional gasoline powered vehicles remaining in production. That';s what the market wants, hybrids, electrics, fuel cells, etc and that is what will eventually be delivered, whether you believe it or not. The Volt is merely the first mainstream electric car, there will be many, many more.

And we still have well over a 40 year supply of oil left to tide us over until we transform the basis of our energy consumption. And we will transform or we our way of life will die and the American people are simply not that stupid, even if you believe they are.

So a suggestion to you is go out in your garage, close the doors, start your car and leave the world since you are obviously convinced that is your fate anyway. What would dooms day loons like you and Paulitics do if we ever did have a REAL recession? This little thing we are dealing with right now hasn't even technically made it to official recession? Go shoot yourself and do us all a favor...

You say you don't use government numbers for much of anything, but it's obviously government numbers you are using to claim there is no recession.

I've seen you cite the GDP and unemployment figures on multiple occasions, like they're not unbelievably skewed.

Every number you cite, is either a government number, or something you made up. You've never posted a source to any claim you've ever made.

Oh, but you know general Chilton personally, and your family is in the oil business. That's all supposed to be good enough for us fellow anonymous message board posters.

'Fuck outta here, dude.

 

[Charles_Main]

suggesting people go kill themselves is very unbecoming.

 

[Zoomie1980]

You say you don't use government numbers for much of anything, but it's obviously government numbers you are using to claim there is no recession.

I've seen you cite the GDP and unemployment figures on multiple occasions, like they're not unbelievably skewed.

Every number you cite, is either a government number, or something you made up. You've never posted a source to any claim you've ever made.

Oh, but you know general Chilton personally, and your family is in the oil business. That's all supposed to be good enough for us fellow anonymous message board posters.

'Fuck outta here, dude.

That's right. Take it or leave it. I could care less whether you buy it or not. That's your problem.

And I'm not going anywhere.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Again, ok. The opinion is worth what it is, unsubstantiated.

That's all there is on any Internet discussion forum. And no one is going to convince anyone of anything on any of them.

 

[Zoomie1980]

suggesting people go kill themselves is very unbecoming.

Not when the poster is convinced their way of life is doomed no matter what anyone does, and expresses no belief in any capacity on behalf of any entity to prevent it.

To people who think and believe that way, I have only one suggestion....shoot yourself and save yourself the agony of watching your demise come true, since that's what you believe...

 

[Paulie]

That's right. Take it or leave it. I could care less whether you buy it or not. That's your problem.

And I'm not going anywhere.

Why not? I mean, you don't want to post sources for your information, because you say they'll be debunked anyway. And most people who debate would like to see sources for where they're getting their info from, so what's the point of you being here?

No one takes you seriously anyway.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Why not? I mean, you don't want to post sources for your information, because you say they'll be debunked anyway. And most people who debate would like to see sources for where they're getting their info from, so what's the point of you being here?

No one takes you seriously anyway.

They don't? I get a lot of responses to my posts.

And take a look at the majority of the links posted here. U-Tube, extremist blog sites and such make up the vast majority of links seen here. When I do link stuff on oil it will be from the oil industry itself and OPEC who know the business better than anyone else in the world, including government. I damned sure will NEVER link government, political, or blog sites unless those blogs are hosted by known MAINSTREAM industry employed people.

This is a place I get started on finding a lot of what I reference. Hundreds of links that I will never bother to post here.....because I am simply not going to take the time

http://freespace.virgin.net/alan.foum/index.htm

 

[Paulie]

They don't? I get a lot of responses to my posts.

And take a look at the majority of the links posted here. U-Tube, extremist blog sites and such make up the vast majority of links seen here. When I do link stuff on oil it will be from the oil industry itself and OPEC who know the business better than anyone else in the world, including government. I damned sure will NEVER link government, political, or blog sites unless those blogs are hosted by known MAINSTREAM industry employed people.

This is a place I get started on finding a lot of what I reference. Hundreds of links that I will never bother to post here.....because I am simply not going to take the time

OIL INDUSTRY WEBSITES

There's nothing wrong with a youtube link if it's a video of, say, an economist giving commentary, for instance. Just being youtube in and of itself is not uncredible.

But you rely on government numbers all the time. Your very reason for thinking we're not in a recession is due to government statistics.

You don't even know that Venezuela is an OPEC nation. That's pretty sad for a guy who claims so much economic knowledge.

But if you're not going to take the time to post links to the information you claim around here, then there's no point in you being here. No one wants to discuss this kind of stuff based on unsubstantiated opinions. That's simply not how debate works. You are of course free to come here and post whatever you want, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

 

[jreeves]

What makes you so sure that oil and nat gas drilling would even be legally possible in the most productive states (CA and FL)?

Public opinion...

 

[Charles_Main]

Not when the poster is convinced their way of life is doomed no matter what anyone does, and expresses no belief in any capacity on behalf of any entity to prevent it.

no it is unbecoming under those circumstances as well. Comments like that are not only unbecoming, but they take away from your own credibility if you ask me. Just as much as tossing around insults, and name calling.(not that I have not once or twice called someone an idiot myself, but I try to refrain from it as much as possible I think it is a sign of weakness of character and well as a weak argument)

many here do all it the time. I don't know about you but when someone calls somebody else an a-hole, or what ever in almost every response I tend to just ignore them. I feel the same way about telling people to go kill themselves. Maybe if you had knew somebody who actually killed theirself, you might feel differently about it.

 

[jreeves]

Not sure where your numbers come from, but less than 15% of oil comes from OPEC. We get almost all our imports from Mexico and Canada and Venezuela.

Oil production is sitting at about 86million a day and consumption at 84million. We have a two million barrel surplus a day and that should get to 3 million in the coming year as demand drops further and then will slowly rise to near zero over the next seven to ten years.

We will not just 100% STOP using oil overnight. In fact we will still be using some oil 50 years from now. But we will SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE our crude oil usage as soon as five years from now as we convert our power grid to coal, nuclear, wind and solar and our automobiles to first, gas-electric hybrids, then electrics, fuel cell or other power generating systems.

I posted links where my information came from, maybe you could do the same?

 

[Charles_Main]

I think a lot of people do not realize how many things Oil is used in other than Cars, and Power plants.

From Plastics to rubber to the asphalt that paves our roads. There are literally tons of products that use oil, or have some of the bi-products of oil in them.

here is a small list, by far not all.

Ammonia, Anesthetics, Antihistamines, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Faucet Washers, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

source
http://www.3k88.com/products.htm

We are tied to oil in more ways than most people can imagine.