OIC Condemns Johnson’s Murder

[Gaebolg]

I would believe that these terrorists represented only a small and very misled portion of the religion, if it weren't for all the video I see coming from the Middle East; crowds of thousands cheering at news of American deaths during 9/11, praying for our demise, crowds pulling dead U.S. contractors out of vehicles and dragging them through the streets in Iraq, Crowds cheering and desecrating dead Rangers in Somalia and the list goes on. I read english translations of Arabic newspapers everyday and read the op-eds and interviews with the "man on the street" in these Islamic countries and with all of that information and fact, it's impossible to believe that those people are the minority. If they truly are the minority, then the majority of muslims need to stay out of our way because they are part of the problem, in not policing their own.

The only time I hear U.S. Islamic leaders, speak against this so-called "minority" it's usually when they are afraid of public backlash. It comes off as more of a "Don't hurt me, I didn't do it" than a "How dare they desecrate my religion". If it looks like they have nothing to fear, they are silent. In other words, they condone it through their inaction.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Patriot
most muslims want Americans dead.

Okay, I'm not going to argue with you.
I am just going to wait for you to prove this rash and innacurate generalization.

 

[Yurt]

Originally posted by Gaebolg
I would believe that these terrorists represented only a small and very misled portion of the religion, if it weren't for all the video I see coming from the Middle East; crowds of thousands cheering at news of American deaths during 9/11, praying for our demise, crowds pulling dead U.S. contractors out of vehicles and dragging them through the streets in Iraq, Crowds cheering and desecrating dead Rangers in Somalia and the list goes on. I read english translations of Arabic newspapers everyday and read the op-eds and interviews with the "man on the street" in these Islamic countries and with all of that information and fact, it's impossible to believe that those people are the minority. If they truly are the minority, then the majority of muslims need to stay out of our way because they are part of the problem, in not policing their own.

The only time I hear U.S. Islamic leaders, speak against this so-called "minority" it's usually when they are afraid of public backlash. It comes off as more of a "Don't hurt me, I didn't do it" than a "How dare they desecrate my religion". If it looks like they have nothing to fear, they are silent. In other words, they condone it through their inaction.

:arabia: exactly!

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Okay, I'm not going to argue with you.
I am just going to wait for you to prove this rash and innacurate generalization.

Gee Flash, seems to be a lot more compelling evidence to prove that point.....

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Gee Flash, seems to be a lot more compelling evidence to prove that point.....

I'm waiting.
Seeing groups of people protesting in the streets doesn't count.

Unless that guy I see out on the street regularly with the 'God Hates Fags' signs represents all Christians.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

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Originally posted by Patriot
most muslims want Americans dead.
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Originally posted by Flasher

Okay, I'm not going to argue with you.
I am just going to wait for you to prove this rash and innacurate generalization.
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Originally posted by Me
Gee Flash, seems to be a lot more compelling evidence to prove that point..... (meaning Patriot's point)
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Originally posted by Flasher
I'm waiting.
Seeing groups of people protesting in the streets doesn't count.

Unless that guy I see out on the street regularly with the 'God Hates Fags' signs represents all Christians.
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What the hell are you talking about? Who/what are you waiting for? and what does the God hates Fags guy got to do with muslims not denouncing the barbarities committed by their brethren?

You make no sense sometimes......

 

[Patriot]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
You make no sense sometimes......

Only sometimes?

 

[nycflasher]

Hey hey hey
Prove that most Muslims want to kill Americans...
or shut your piehole
I mean that in a nice way.

 

[Patriot]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Hey hey hey
Prove that most Muslims want to kill Americans...
or shut your piehole
I mean that in a nice way.

I have posted time and time again and until you read the Quran you wont believe what I post. You dont have to even believe me. Read for yourself the full unbiased version.


But since you need to be kept on a leash and dragged around to the truth here is some help...


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/1.htm





Unbelievers
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by Patriot
But since you need to be kept on a leash and dragged around to the truth here is some help...

Are panties on the head optional

 

[Patriot]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Are panties on the head optional

Not for NYC he might enjoy that and not get the message.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Patriot
I have posted time and time again and until you read the Quran you wont believe what I post. You dont have to even believe me. Read for yourself the full unbiased version.


But since you need to be kept on a leash and dragged around to the truth here is some help...


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/1.htm





Unbelievers
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”

You can quote the Quran all you want and still come NOWHERE CLOSE to proving to anyone that most Muslims want to kill Americans.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Patriot
But since you need to be kept on a leash and dragged around to the truth here is some help...

Ah... so you spent some time in Abu Grahib.

Is that why you did what you did over there, simply because you hate Muslims?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Are panties on the head optional

Panties on the head are an option I can live with, as long as I know where they came from.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by nycflasher
You can quote the Quran all you want and still come NOWHERE CLOSE to proving to anyone that most Muslims want to kill Americans.

Ah, but can YOU prove they don't?

Their silence is deafening on all matters relating to the atrocities their brethren commit in the name of Allah, almost to the point of quietly condoning it......

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Ah, but can YOU prove they don't?

The burden is on you, I believe, since you made the statement. If you can't back it up, why should I spend MORE time dicrediting it?

 

[Yurt]

Originally posted by nycflasher
You can quote the Quran all you want and still come NOWHERE CLOSE to proving to anyone that most Muslims want to kill Americans.

Do you read the news quotes from the arab world?? Or are you just ignorant? Did you see when they cheered our deaths on 9/11? I could go on with other more recent examples, hmm, like a report I read yesterday where the muslim on the street said "the contractor got what was coming to him because of the deaths suffered by muslims from the hand of America (pointing to IRAQ and Isreal). I would get you the site address, but I don't have time.

Come on, are you really claiming what you say or just trying to get a rise out of us. Open your eyes man.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS

Their silence is deafening on all matters relating to the atrocities their brethren commit in the name of Allah, almost to the point of quietly condoning it......

So if some psychopath goes into a mall tommorrow and shoots five people and says God told him to do it, you would assume that all Christians want to kill people who go to malls?

I don't follow your logic.

I do agree that it would be nice to hear MORE denouncing of these cowardly acts. But I come across Muslims every day and I would be an asshole to assume that they want to kill me.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Yurt
Do you read the news quotes from the arab world?? Or are you just ignorant? Did you see when they cheered our deaths on 9/11? I could go on with other more recent examples, hmm, like a report I read yesterday where the muslim on the street said "the contractor got what was coming to him because of the deaths suffered by muslims from the hand of America (pointing to IRAQ and Isreal). I would get you the site address, but I don't have time.

Come on, are you really claiming what you say or just trying to get a rise out of us. Open your eyes man.

I never said that some Muslims don't want to see Americans dead.
Everybody is fucking Muslim over there and some of them want us dead.

Some of them, even, may have a relative killed by an errant bullet or bomb. Ever think of that?

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by nycflasher
The burden is on you, I believe, since you made the statement. If you can't back it up, why should I spend MORE time dicrediting it?

Why should we waste time going down this road again?


Gee is their an echo? I think I said this 20 posts ago............