Ohio's DeWine does not crumble before the anti-gun loons

[M14 Shooter]

You made two specific claims, and its up to you to back them.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

Thus, you don't have shit.
Be a man- admit it and move on.

I made an observation and a claim.

That you cannot back up. I know.
Do you often make claims you cannot back up and then throw a tantrum when someone call you on it?
I bet so.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

You don't have shit.

You made two specific claims, and its up to you to back them.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

Thus, you don't have shit.
Be a man- admit it and move on.

I made an observation and a claim.

That you cannot back up. I know.
Do you often make claims you cannot back up and then throw a tantrum when someone call you on it?
I bet so.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

You don't have shit.

I did back up what I said

This is a lie, as -nowhere- did you present case citations to back you claims abut what the law means.

As we know,.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

Thus, you have shit.

Please - throw another tantrum.

I'm not going to work for you for free.

You made the claims - onus is on your to back them up.
And so, its YOUR work you refuse to do.

UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CASE CITATIONS TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW MEANS, YOU DON'T HAVE SHIT.

Thus, you have shit.

 

[Votto]

Whatever.

Anyone who thinks they can change culture by passing laws, is an idiot. You might as well pass a law that declares it can't rain on Tuesday.

Think again.

Before slavery was outlawed the majority thought it Ok even though not ideal. Centuries later the idea of slavery seems morally repugnant to the majority after being made illegal.

Before Roe vs. Wade the majority consensus was that abortion was immoral. Decades after Roe the consensus is that abortion is Ok though not ideal.

Human beings are lemmings.

Bullshit.

To paraphrase Lincoln, culture is prior to, and independent of, legislation. Laws are only the fruit of cultural aims, and could never have existed if culture had not first gone that way. Culture is the superior, in power, of legislation, and deserves much the higher consideration.

No Virginia, the "majority" did not think slavery OK. Most of the North had already abolished it if they ever had it at all, indeed most of the world had, and only the rich planter class in the South was dependent on it, the element that waged the war.

Human beings are indeed lemmings but they're not lemmings for the frickin' law --- see the prior example of how well that Prohibition idea worked out. Rather, they're lemmings for peer pressure and what the TV or other media orders them to do. We didn't send the practice of smoking on a freefall by legislating it away --- we did that by making it uncool. We did that because movie idols and doctors and athletes weren't smoking any more. So the lemmings didn't either.

Culture leads; legislation follows.

You can't change history. Laws changed and the consensus followed.

Sorry about your luck Chuck.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When the pro-gun factions will try to eat their own as opposed to having a civil conversation and work toward realistic solutions, you know they're pretty well screwed.

The left wants background checks, registration and eventual confiscation. The right wing likes the idea of a POLICE STATE with its National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 27 / 7 / 365 womb to the tomb monitoring, prove this, prove that agenda, so the right and the left are simply two hands washing each other while bitching about which hand is the dirtiest.

So what do you want, no identification at all for something so important as voting? You need an ID for many other things like boarding a plane, buying alcohol or tobacco products, purchasing a home, renting a car or backhoe.....

One of the top reasons people are breaking into our country is work. Some are hiring illegally knowingly, and others are using fake documentation so the employer has no idea. Either way, jobs are attracting illegals to this country, and E-verify is one way to curb that.

People in this country used to understand that a driver's license was permission from the government to operate a vehicle on the highway.

When we got this notion that everybody needed an "ID" to do the things they normally do in the course of a day baffles me, but you are making a case for registered and carefully regulated firearms. You are making a case for big government on a scale that would make Hitler's tattoo idea pale by comparison.

One can tell that you have little knowledge and NO respect for the Constitution of the United States. You would be better served to join with the Democrats as your arguments are the same, exact ones they made in the mid 1990s. You speak of "illegals" realizing full well that under our system of jurisprudence, an individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Foreigners have every Right to take a job willingly offered. Laws that impede such were ones forced through Congress by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy and their purpose was to dilute the white vote by creating quotas. Such quotas deny to employers the equal protection of the laws; deny the foreigner their unalienable Rights and create a pretext to institute National Socialist policies regarding ID and the constant surveillance and monitoring of human beings.

Congress never had jurisdiction over foreigners until 1875 and then only because the United States Supreme Court granted Congress "plenary powers" AND changed the meaning of words to justify their actions. The biggest problem you have there is that the Constitution does not give the United States Supreme Court any authority to bestow upon any other branch of government ANY powers. Apparently you are ignorant or don't care about the Rule of Law.

WTF does voter ID have to do with the registering of guns? They are two entirely different subjects. Having a positive identification to vote is for the protection of all other voters. If I cast my vote for Trump, and somebody votes twice using a neighbors identity voting for whoever the Dem candidate is, my vote just got nullified. I was cheated out of having my vote counted.

It would be nice if we lived in a country where all can be trusted, but as we've seen repeatedly in this country, that's only a fantasy, especially when it comes to voting. It's not "Big Government" to secure the right of people who vote.

An illegal is not innocent of anything. The word "illegal" describes somebody that broke our laws. A foreigner does not have the right to take any job here if they are here illegally. That's as stupid as saying a criminal who broke into my home has the right to make himself a sandwich and watch my television until I get home.