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That is because many do not understand issue 2. It is like anything else in politics.

One side uses fear tactics to make people think that our safety is at risk, and the other side tries to get the point across that A yes vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

official arguments FOR/YES issue 2

Official arguments for and against Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum, Issue 2 (2011) - Ballotpedia

Official argument against/NO on issue 2

OMG we are all going to die by the hand of "big corporations"

I am voting YES No really I am voting YES

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending. There needs to be accountability to the ones who are employed by the state. It has gone unchecked for far too long

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

Your YES vote on Issue 2 will:

Protect Good Teachers and Improve Our Schools

Issue 2 keeps the best teachers in the classroom by ending the unfair practice of seniority-based layoffs, which forces struggling schools to cut many of our best teachers first.

Issue 2 returns control of our schools to taxpayers by bringing increased transparency to teacher contract negotiations.

Issue 2 enables schools to retain and reward good teachers by allowing them to base pay raises on job performance.

Restore Balance and Ensure Fairness

Issue 2 ensures that government employees receive quality health care, but asks them to pay a mere 15% of their health insurance coverage which is still less than half of what the average private sector worker pays (31%).

Issue 2 asks government employees to make make a fair contribution (10%) to their taxpayer funded retirement plans instead of requiring taxpayers to provide these pension benefits for free. Many private sector workers get no retirement benefits at all.

Issue 2 allows good job performance to be considered when awarding pay raises to government employees. Private sector workers earn their paychecks by doing a good job, and so should government employees.

Get Spending Under Control, Retain Jobs, and Protect Taxpayers

Issue 2 will save our communities millions of dollars annually, helping them balance their budgets and retain jobs.

Issue 2 will protect taxpayers by giving them the right to reject unaffordable government employment contracts.

Lazy union and government employees are a blite on our employment situation in Ohio

Here is one argument against this, just one simple one. When you remove seniority as a provision to layoffs, then it becomes pretty automatic for cash strapped systems to lay off the highest paid teachers first, regardless of ability. It just becomes a numbers game where the ones making the most get cut first and replaced with younger, lower paid employees down the road. It's always a good thing to look at both sides of the issue.

 

[Sarah G]

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending. There needs to be accountability to the ones who are employed by the state. It has gone unchecked for far too long

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

Your YES vote on Issue 2 will:

Protect Good Teachers and Improve Our Schools

Issue 2 keeps the best teachers in the classroom by ending the unfair practice of seniority-based layoffs, which forces struggling schools to cut many of our best teachers first.

Issue 2 returns control of our schools to taxpayers by bringing increased transparency to teacher contract negotiations.

Issue 2 enables schools to retain and reward good teachers by allowing them to base pay raises on job performance.

Restore Balance and Ensure Fairness

Issue 2 ensures that government employees receive quality health care, but asks them to pay a mere 15% of their health insurance coverage which is still less than half of what the average private sector worker pays (31%).

Issue 2 asks government employees to make make a fair contribution (10%) to their taxpayer funded retirement plans instead of requiring taxpayers to provide these pension benefits for free. Many private sector workers get no retirement benefits at all.

Issue 2 allows good job performance to be considered when awarding pay raises to government employees. Private sector workers earn their paychecks by doing a good job, and so should government employees.

Get Spending Under Control, Retain Jobs, and Protect Taxpayers

Issue 2 will save our communities millions of dollars annually, helping them balance their budgets and retain jobs.

Issue 2 will protect taxpayers by giving them the right to reject unaffordable government employment contracts.

Lazy union and government employees are a blite on our employment situation in Ohio

Nobody is buying Kasich bullshit. He's on his way out next.

Yeah, well he had his job cut out for him after that last joke that was our governor

Ohio is not happy with Kasich. There was polling that said if Ohio had it to do over, they would vote for Strickland over Kasich by 18 pts.

Voter's remorse on steroids.

 

[Sarah G]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

I've been talking to people today, it doesn't look good for issue 2.

Actually, it looks great Sarah, if you're voting against it.

Yes. Vote no!

 

[Sarah G]

Issue 2 falls, Ohio collective bargaining law repealed

Ohioans voted Tuesday night to repeal a Republican-backed law that restricted collective bargaining for public workers, a victory for Democrats and labor organizers both nationally and in the state.

AP has declared Issue 2 (as the law was called on the ballot) dead. As of this writing, with about 75 percent of precincts in, repeal led by a whopping 62 to 38 percent margin.

Gov. John Kasich (R) took office in January vowing to curb unions’ power. But he appears to have overstepped his hand in curtailing the rights of 350,000 public workers — including firefighters and police officers — to negotiate over benefits, equipment and other issues.

The backlash against the law began as soon as Kasich signed it, in March. By August, when the governor asked for a compromise with unions, it was too late.

“It’s clear that the people have spoken and my view is, when people speak in a campaign like this you have to listen,” Kasich said in a press conference after the results came in. He said he would “take a deep breath” and think about the results. “But let me be clear, there is no bailout coming” for the state, he said, adding that he would work with local governments to curb costs.

As in other states, the law became a battleground for an ongoing fight between labor and conservative groups over collective bargaining. In Wisconsin, after Gov. Scott Walker (R) eliminated collective bargaining for many public employees, Democrats and labor failed to take back the state Senate in recall elections. Now, unions have their first bonafide win.

By including firefighters and police officers in the legislation, Republicans in Ohio set themselves up for a far more difficult fight. Wisconsin’s collective bargaining law made exceptions for both.

“This was an effort by the entire labor movement in the state,” said Lee Saunders, secretary-treasurer of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. “All labor was together.”

Labor groups, led by the National Education Association and the Ohio Education Association, through the group “We Are Ohio,” poured $30 million into the repeal effort. Opponents of repeal, under the banner “Build A Better Ohio,” raised only $7.5 million.

“This was a thrashing in Ohio — a huge overreach by extremist Republicans and an enormous victory for average working families,” said Steve Rosenthal, a longtime Democratic labor strategist. “A sleeping giant may have been awoken in the process. In Ohio nearly 30 percent of the vote in 2012 will come from union households. There is enormous energy coming off this victory.”

Issue 2 falls, Ohio collective bargaining law repealed - The Washington Post

The Republican governors were so arrogant. I'm glad they were slapped back into reality. The voters have spoken in Ohio, have faith everyone else, keep working for change and the average American.