Ohio

[LoneLaugher]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

 

[EriktheRed]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

Yes.

Especially the resulting schadenfreude if it passes like expected tomorrow.

 

[Sarah G]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

I've been talking to people today, it doesn't look good for issue 2.

 

[Mr. H.]

What's it all about, Alfie?

 

[Sarah G]

What's it all about, Alfie?

Issue 2 is the collective bargaining issue. It was 30 points ahead to repeal over the last month or so then there was a barrage of ads bought to vote yes.

Hoping people are going to get out the vote tomorrow to repeal.

 

[Avatar4321]

Is a yes vote to repeal or a yes vote to keep in the spending cut measure?

Im more interested in issue 3. No clue what it is but yeah thats the one

 

[PixieStix]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

I've been talking to people today, it doesn't look good for issue 2.

That is because many do not understand issue 2. It is like anything else in politics.

One side uses fear tactics to make people think that our safety is at risk, and the other side tries to get the point across that A yes vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

official arguments FOR/YES issue 2

Official arguments for and against Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum, Issue 2 (2011) - Ballotpedia

Official argument against/NO on issue 2

OMG we are all going to die by the hand of "big corporations"

I am voting YES No really I am voting YES

 

[PixieStix]

Is a yes vote to repeal or a yes vote to keep in the spending cut measure?

Im more interested in issue 3. No clue what it is but yeah thats the one

A yes vote is to keep Senate Bill 5, a no vote would repeal it

 

[Sarah G]

Anyone interested in the Issue 2 vote in Ohio?

I've been talking to people today, it doesn't look good for issue 2.

That is because many do not understand issue 2. It is like anything else in politics.

One side uses fear tactics to make people think that our safety is at risk, and the other side tries to get the point across that A yes vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

official arguments FOR/YES issue 2

Official arguments for and against Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum, Issue 2 (2011) - Ballotpedia

Official argument against/NO on issue 2

OMG we are all going to die by the hand of "big corporations"

I am voting YES No really I am voting YES

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

 

[Inthemiddle]

A vote in favor of issue 2 supports keeping legislation that creates limits on collective bargaining rights for public employees. Current polling shows firm popular support against issue 2, and in favor of repealing the limitations. However, come election time the results could indeed be very different depending on how actually gets out to vote.

 

[PixieStix]

I've been talking to people today, it doesn't look good for issue 2.

That is because many do not understand issue 2. It is like anything else in politics.

One side uses fear tactics to make people think that our safety is at risk, and the other side tries to get the point across that A yes vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

official arguments FOR/YES issue 2

Official arguments for and against Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum, Issue 2 (2011) - Ballotpedia

Official argument against/NO on issue 2

OMG we are all going to die by the hand of "big corporations"

I am voting YES No really I am voting YES

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending. There needs to be accountability to the ones who are employed by the state. It has gone unchecked for far too long

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

Your YES vote on Issue 2 will:

Protect Good Teachers and Improve Our Schools

Issue 2 keeps the best teachers in the classroom by ending the unfair practice of seniority-based layoffs, which forces struggling schools to cut many of our best teachers first.

Issue 2 returns control of our schools to taxpayers by bringing increased transparency to teacher contract negotiations.

Issue 2 enables schools to retain and reward good teachers by allowing them to base pay raises on job performance.

Restore Balance and Ensure Fairness

Issue 2 ensures that government employees receive quality health care, but asks them to pay a mere 15% of their health insurance coverage which is still less than half of what the average private sector worker pays (31%).

Issue 2 asks government employees to make make a fair contribution (10%) to their taxpayer funded retirement plans instead of requiring taxpayers to provide these pension benefits for free. Many private sector workers get no retirement benefits at all.

Issue 2 allows good job performance to be considered when awarding pay raises to government employees. Private sector workers earn their paychecks by doing a good job, and so should government employees.

Get Spending Under Control, Retain Jobs, and Protect Taxpayers

Issue 2 will save our communities millions of dollars annually, helping them balance their budgets and retain jobs.

Issue 2 will protect taxpayers by giving them the right to reject unaffordable government employment contracts.

Lazy union and government employees are a blite on our employment situation in Ohio

 

[Avatar4321]

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

Dont have an argument not based on emotion?

 

[Sarah G]

That is because many do not understand issue 2. It is like anything else in politics.

One side uses fear tactics to make people think that our safety is at risk, and the other side tries to get the point across that A yes vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

official arguments FOR/YES issue 2

Official arguments for and against Ohio Senate Bill 5 Veto Referendum, Issue 2 (2011) - Ballotpedia

Official argument against/NO on issue 2

OMG we are all going to die by the hand of "big corporations"

I am voting YES No really I am voting YES

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending. There needs to be accountability to the ones who are employed by the state. It has gone unchecked for far too long

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

Your YES vote on Issue 2 will:

Protect Good Teachers and Improve Our Schools

Issue 2 keeps the best teachers in the classroom by ending the unfair practice of seniority-based layoffs, which forces struggling schools to cut many of our best teachers first.

Issue 2 returns control of our schools to taxpayers by bringing increased transparency to teacher contract negotiations.

Issue 2 enables schools to retain and reward good teachers by allowing them to base pay raises on job performance.

Restore Balance and Ensure Fairness

Issue 2 ensures that government employees receive quality health care, but asks them to pay a mere 15% of their health insurance coverage which is still less than half of what the average private sector worker pays (31%).

Issue 2 asks government employees to make make a fair contribution (10%) to their taxpayer funded retirement plans instead of requiring taxpayers to provide these pension benefits for free. Many private sector workers get no retirement benefits at all.

Issue 2 allows good job performance to be considered when awarding pay raises to government employees. Private sector workers earn their paychecks by doing a good job, and so should government employees.

Get Spending Under Control, Retain Jobs, and Protect Taxpayers

Issue 2 will save our communities millions of dollars annually, helping them balance their budgets and retain jobs.

Issue 2 will protect taxpayers by giving them the right to reject unaffordable government employment contracts.

Lazy union and government employees are a blite on our employment situation in Ohio

Nobody is buying Kasich bullshit. He's on his way out next.

 

[PixieStix]

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

Dont have an argument not based on emotion?

That is what many on the left in Ohio are doing, making it an emotional vote.

I am making an informed decision with my vote. Based on facts and numbers, as well as experience.

 

[Inthemiddle]

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending.

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing this kind of crap. Politicians need to stop blaming other people and start taking responsibility for themselves and their actions and their governance. Nobody is forcing anyone to offer such and such salaries to anyone. The unions are merely doing their jobs, and the teachers are offering their services and negotiating agreements for their own interests. That's how a free market works. They aren't taking anything away from anyone by pursuing their own financial success. When will you wing-nuts realize that you're not entitled to their hard work for your own gain. They're going to work for their own benefit and nobody else, because what's what we do in America. Stop bitching and complaining about other people's success.

 

[PixieStix]

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending. There needs to be accountability to the ones who are employed by the state. It has gone unchecked for far too long

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

Your YES vote on Issue 2 will:

Protect Good Teachers and Improve Our Schools

Issue 2 keeps the best teachers in the classroom by ending the unfair practice of seniority-based layoffs, which forces struggling schools to cut many of our best teachers first.

Issue 2 returns control of our schools to taxpayers by bringing increased transparency to teacher contract negotiations.

Issue 2 enables schools to retain and reward good teachers by allowing them to base pay raises on job performance.

Restore Balance and Ensure Fairness

Issue 2 ensures that government employees receive quality health care, but asks them to pay a mere 15% of their health insurance coverage which is still less than half of what the average private sector worker pays (31%).

Issue 2 asks government employees to make make a fair contribution (10%) to their taxpayer funded retirement plans instead of requiring taxpayers to provide these pension benefits for free. Many private sector workers get no retirement benefits at all.

Issue 2 allows good job performance to be considered when awarding pay raises to government employees. Private sector workers earn their paychecks by doing a good job, and so should government employees.

Get Spending Under Control, Retain Jobs, and Protect Taxpayers

Issue 2 will save our communities millions of dollars annually, helping them balance their budgets and retain jobs.

Issue 2 will protect taxpayers by giving them the right to reject unaffordable government employment contracts.

Lazy union and government employees are a blite on our employment situation in Ohio

Nobody is buying Kasich bullshit. He's on his way out next.

Yeah, well he had his job cut out for him after that last joke that was our governor

 

[PixieStix]

You are really buying that? Senate Bill 5 is about stopping the crazy government spending.

A YES vote on Issue 2 will make long overdue reforms to unfair and costly government employment practices in Ohio, while helping to get government spending under control and making government more accountable to taxpayers.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing this kind of crap. Politicians need to stop blaming other people and start taking responsibility for themselves and their actions and their governance. Nobody is forcing anyone to offer such and such salaries to anyone. The unions are merely doing their jobs, and the teachers are offering their services and negotiating agreements for their own interests. That's how a free market works. They aren't taking anything away from anyone by pursuing their own financial success. When will you wing-nuts realize that you're not entitled to their hard work for your own gain. They're going to work for their own benefit and nobody else, because what's what we do in America. Stop bitching and complaining about other people's success.

Oh the irony

 

[Inthemiddle]

Oh the irony

Irony my ass. That's exactly the argument that you'd give if people were talking about corporations making money. But you sure as Hell don't want to sing the same tune when it goes against your partisan politics.

 

[Sarah G]

A yes vote on issue 2 is a vote against teachers, firefighters, nurses and police. That's all you have to know and that is how the repeal is going to be successful.

Vote no on issues 2, vote for teachers, firefighters, nurses and police.

Yeah.

Dont have an argument not based on emotion?

That is what many on the left in Ohio are doing, making it an emotional vote.

I am making an informed decision with my vote. Based on facts and numbers, as well as experience.

You're voting based on talking points.

How are you voting on the other issues? Yes or no, without looking it up.

 

[PixieStix]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6TxuiXHz_o]Gov Kasich discusses Ohio Issue 2 - YouTube[/ame]