Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotence

[Care4all]

Defending the First Amendment

Nobody is "defending" the first amendment in any of this. You're trying to expand the first amendment such that religious belief would trump all civil power and authority, and lead to the complete dissolution of government upon the demand of the church.

Try not to be a complete dipstick. The First Amendment bars the govenrment from interfering in the practice of religion. That means it can't pass laws that force someone to do something against his deeply held religous beliefs. You apparently believe that unless the government can impose whatever it wants on the curch, that it would "trump all civil power and authority." That's complete hogwash.

[And the people best able to determine that are a bunch of male virgins who haven't the first clue about medical sciences, as opposed to it being decided between a woman and her doctor.

Anyone with a brain can determine that. This isn't about women's health. Fluke even admitted as much. She testified on behalf of "reprodutive rights," not women's health.

Is everything liberals say complete bullshit?

Just a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

beg to differ....reproduction IS a WOMEN'S HEALTH issue.

 

[zeke]

Oh, well, then by all means tell us your propaganda Zeke.

wtf you talking about now? Hey check out the Blunt/Rubio proposed bill. That was a good ole gooden.
All about protecting women's health rights. Do you wonder why it didn't pass?

 

[Gagafritz]

We aren't talking about that. Why can't you talk about what we are talking about? Libs can never take their own to task.

 

[konradv]

We aren't talking about that. Why can't you talk about what we are talking about? Libs can never take their own to task.

It only seems fair, if men are getting insurance that pays for Viagra, women should be getting insurance that pays for defending against it.

 

[zeke]

Why can't you talk about what we are talking about?

Let's see. You were talking about a bill to protect men who need help "getting it up". And you want to protect that right, I guess. Which would lead me to believe that your man may need that help. (it is ok if he does. Seems like most Rethugs do need that help, from what I hear.)

And I was talking about womens health and and the bills that the Rethugs have tried to pass dealing with womens health. (according to Repubs, their bills would be good for women, according to women, they don't seem to agree.)

How could anyone argue that making sure men are healthy enough to eat their make my dick hard pill, is not a good thing for both men and women?

Reproductive health for men and women are not related in your mind?

 

[Inthemiddle]

Well, let's see. Dems whine and whine and whine about the bedroom. And, here is Dem trying to get into the bedroom and tell your doctor what to do. Um...yeah.

Perhaps we can call it the Howell manuever that the doc has to stick his finger in your anus before getting Viagra.

You seem to have a big problem with confirmation bias.

 

[Avatar4321]

These and other bills are a reaction to Republican attacks on women's health. They will probably fail, but they are a good step in the right direction, none the less.

Another bill requires men to sit through a medical video of the treatment of priaprism.

Fun stuff.

Except of course, there have been no attacks on women's health

 

[zeke]

there have been no attacks on women's health

In your own mind maybe. However I talked with several women over the weekend that definitely feel that Rethugs are attacking womens health provisions. (one ditto head didn't feel that way).

Hey but you got plenty of people that agree with you on here. So don't worry about it. You got the WH won already.

 

[Avatar4321]

there have been no attacks on women's health

In your own mind maybe. However I talked with several women over the weekend that definitely feel that Rethugs are attacking womens health provisions. (one ditto head didn't feel that way).

Hey but you got plenty of people that agree with you on here. So don't worry about it. You got the WH won already.

Im aware what the spin is. Doesnt change the fact that the spin is a bunch of nonsense made up by people who can't actually debate the real issues.

 

[konradv]

These and other bills are a reaction to Republican attacks on women's health. They will probably fail, but they are a good step in the right direction, none the less.

Another bill requires men to sit through a medical video of the treatment of priaprism.

Defending the First Amendment is not an "attack on women's health." Birth control has little to do with women's health.

Then, it would also seem that Viagra has little to do with men's health. Either they're both covered or neither.

 

[uscitizen]

These and other bills are a reaction to Republican attacks on women's health. They will probably fail, but they are a good step in the right direction, none the less.

Another bill requires men to sit through a medical video of the treatment of priaprism.

Fun stuff.

Defending the First Amendment is not an "attack on women's health." Birth control has little to do with women's health.

women die from pregnancies.

 

[zeke]

Im aware what the spin is. Doesnt change the fact that the spin is a bunch of nonsense made up by people who can't actually debate the real issues.

I knows what you mean. Spinning the issue like saying that this is about "freedom of religion".,
Not only is that a spin, it is a stretch also.

If you take BC, were you stopped from attending church this Sunday? Or any day for that matter.
Tell me what church you can not attend if you take birth control? The Catholic church seems to have the biggest problem with birth control. Do they keep anyone from attending if they use BC? No. I didn't think so.

When the Catholic church can get their flock to quit using birth control, and the guvmint insists that Catholic women USE birth control, then we will have a war on religion,

But somehow I don't think the Catholic church can get the women to quit using birth control. And the guvmint never proposed "making" anyone take birth control.

I think you Rethugs are spinning so hard you are all dizzy.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Try not to be a complete dipstick. The First Amendment bars the govenrment from interfering in the practice of religion. That means it can't pass laws that force someone to do something against his deeply held religous beliefs.

No, that's not what the first amendment means. You're trying to expand the first amendment to cover an ocean of things that it has never meant, things that the courts have continually rejected over and over and over again, things that would be completely absurd to accept unless we were to believe that the intention of the framers was to allow religious belief to be so supreme that it could completely end the rule of law by simply saying "I believe."

The first amendment prohibits the government from telling people what they must believe, and it prevents the government from telling churches what they must teach as religion. But the practice of religion can be interfered with, when general laws end up applying to activity that is inherently non religious, even if of religious import to a particular individual or group. This is why the government being involved in marriage is constitutional. This is why polygamy laws are constitutional.

The ridiculously expansive approach you are trying to force regarding the first amendment would mean that if a person claims public nudity as a religious practice, then that person has a constitutionally protected right to walk around nude in public anytime they so wish. It would mean that any act of government whatsoever would have to be ceased to be applied to any person who simply said "I don't believe in that." What you are advocating for is nothing more (or less) than de facto theocranarchy.

You apparently believe that unless the government can impose whatever it wants on the curch, that it would "trump all civil power and authority." That's complete hogwash.

The "hogwash" is to put words into my mouth, and for you to be so obtuse that you insist on framing things only in absolutes.

Anyone with a brain can determine that. This isn't about women's health.

Where is that thread about Americans being stupid? I'm starting to understand it. You're the perfect example of what was said regarding incompetence leading to a superiority complex. Here you are, an uneducated and dim witted fool, who believes he knows more about medical sciences than the concensus of highly trained doctors in our country. It's not about women's health? What do you know about women's health? Everything you spout is based on nothing more than preservation of ideology. The truth is that you don't care if this is about women's health.

Fluke even admitted as much. She testified on behalf of "reprodutive rights," not women's health.

1) I guess you completely fell asleep when she was talking about her lesbian colleague having ovarian cancer.

2) Reproductive rights and women's health are indispensibly intertwined.

Is everything liberals say complete bullshit?

I have to ask you this question. Why is it that everything a liberal says is complete bullshit? Why are you so incapable of appraising arguments based on a truthful rendering of their statements, as opposed to wild extrapolations and unfactual insertions on your part? Also, why is it that anyone who slightly disagrees with you on any matter is instantly labeled a "liberal"? I have a theory. You suffer from a severe superiority complex. Anyone who disagrees with you in any way on any matter must be, within the scope of your illness, defective by design. Because you perceive that there is exactly only one way to think, exactly one set of ideas and beliefs that must be held together to create exactly one scheme of acceptable beliefs and positions, you subsequently lump all forms of dissent, no matter what the particular subject matter of individual ideas, into a singular alternative scheme. And as a result, you label all people as belonging to one of two groups. The first group is those who believe as you do, and these people can do no wrong. And the second group is all people who disagree with you. And you assume that because someone says something that challenges anything you've ever thought, they must be inherently evil and belong to the second group, and that they must hold a litany of additional beliefs, because all those good for nothing lyin' ass libtards are all the same.

Just a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

You just proved my point.

 

[Full-Auto]

Im aware what the spin is. Doesnt change the fact that the spin is a bunch of nonsense made up by people who can't actually debate the real issues.

I knows what you mean. Spinning the issue like saying that this is about "freedom of religion".,
Not only is that a spin, it is a stretch also.

If you take BC, were you stopped from attending church this Sunday? Or any day for that matter.
Tell me what church you can not attend if you take birth control? The Catholic church seems to have the biggest problem with birth control. Do they keep anyone from attending if they use BC? No. I didn't think so.

When the Catholic church can get their flock to quit using birth control, and the guvmint insists that Catholic women USE birth control, then we will have a war on religion,

But somehow I don't think the Catholic church can get the women to quit using birth control. And the guvmint never proposed "making" anyone take birth control.

I think you Rethugs are spinning so hard you are all dizzy.

Nope just mandated someone else pay. Thanks for playing.

 

[regent]

Admitted, the Republicans aren't too good at economic programs, usually causing some kind of recession/depression, at wars a total failure, and at governing, up to now, miserable. But I think they have hit on something they have an aprtitude for, and that would be governing America's sex practices. Somehow this seems a natural for them they know all about abortions, gays, probes and what goes on in our bedrooms and what shoudn't. If elected Republicans could help America, in numerous sexual ways, maybe even cutting that nine-month thing down to say six months with simple laws.

 

[Gagafritz]

Why can't you talk about what we are talking about?

Let's see. You were talking about a bill to protect men who need help "getting it up". And you want to protect that right, I guess. Which would lead me to believe that your man may need that help. (it is ok if he does. Seems like most Rethugs do need that help, from what I hear.)

And I was talking about womens health and and the bills that the Rethugs have tried to pass dealing with womens health. (according to Repubs, their bills would be good for women, according to women, they don't seem to agree.)

How could anyone argue that making sure men are healthy enough to eat their make my dick hard pill, is not a good thing for both men and women?

Reproductive health for men and women are not related in your mind?

I didn't say i wanted to pay for it. Why don't you and your Libs pay your own way through life and leave me and mine alone?

 

[Gagafritz]

BTW, how do i read Reputation comments on this board? Not sure yet.

 

[Steelplate]

Apparently none of you realize what birth control pills are made of... let me clue you in... Hormones.

When a woman has a hormonal imbalance involving Estrogen and/or Progesterone, they tend to bleed like stuck pigs, or not get their periods at all... guess what they use to alleviate this HEALTH PROBLEM?

and yes... to those who are ignorant... both maladies cause health problems... bleeding all the time is dangerous. Not getting your period at all can cause a build up of uterine tissue...that tissue can become problematic and evolve into Uterine Cancer.

It's quite common, really... But the AM Radio boys don't want to talk about anything like that, so the righties remain clueless.

Birth control pills.

 

[Gagafritz]

What do you care what righties think? You seem to be awfully worried about that.

 

[Steelplate]

Just trying to educate the ignorant... to show shades of gray to people who only see black and white...

Consider it my right as an American and a Christian.