Ohh Chris?

[Oddball]

See?!!?!?!???

It doesn't matter what the weather does. Any which way the weather goes, it's all the fault of industrial man in general, and America in particular!!!

Isn't being an AGW Luddite easy and fun!!

Abnormal weather. Pay attention to abnormal weather. Lots of hurricanes, droubt, severe warming or freezing of the polar caps,

Forget about GW. Lets just clean up the planet from smog so we can breathe. And stop with the plastic. The Pacific is a toilet bowl. Lets go to wind turbines and use trees, but replant so we don't run out of trees. But plastic is bad.

And companies polluting need to stop.

 

[Chris]

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

By rigging the data, one can make anything look like anything. In this case, you are saying that the current level of TSI is lower than it was 80 years ago which was the absolute peak of TSI over the last 1000 or so years. The TSI for years has been higher than at any time in the last millenium. This is pretty impressive.

The same type of rigging device is used to accentuate warming. When measurements say that the Globe has warmed by whatever degrees in the last 200 years, the authors are measuring from the coldest point in the last 1000 years. The obvious reason for this particular starting point is exactly for the reason of showing the largest increase.

The fallacy in this which usually goes unannounced and unnoticed is that they start the period of measure from the low point. The warming starts before the cause they cite and they strongly connect the two as a causal relationship when it cannot exist.

I'm not sure that this is a lie. It is disingenuous in the extreme, but it may not be a lie. Maybe a swindle is more accurate.

So, why is the ice still melting? In the simplest terms, some of is and some of it is not. If CO2, which is a pretty well homogenized gas, was the culprit, all of it would be melting at equal rates everywhere. This is not the case. The Northern Hemisphere sees the greatest melting and the Southern Hemisphere, not so much.

As it happens, most of the glaciers of today are/were in the Northern Hemisphere. "Why?" to that might also be a good question.

The Patagonia Icefields of Chile and Argentina, the largest non-Antarctic ice masses in the Southern Hemisphere, are thinning at an accelerating pace and now account for nearly 10 percent of global sea-level change from mountain glaciers, according to a new study by NASA and Chile's Centro de Estudios Cientificos.

Researchers Dr. Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.; Andres Rivera of Universidad de Chile, Santiago, Chile; and Gino Casassa of Centro de Estudios Cientificos, Valdivia, Chile, compared conventional topographic data from the 1970s and 1990s with data from NASA's Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, flown in February 2000. Their objective was to measure changes over time in the volumes of the 63 largest glaciers in the region.

Results of the study, published this week in the journal Science, conclude the Patagonia Icefields lost ice at a rate equivalent to a sea level rise of 0.04 millimeters (0.0016 inches) per year, during the period 1975 through 2000. This is equal to nine percent of the total annual global sea-level rise from mountain glaciers, according to the 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Scientific Assessment. From 1995 through 2000, however, the rate of ice loss from the icefields more than doubled, to an equivalent sea level rise of 0.1 millimeters (0.004 inches) per year.

NASA - South American Glaciers Melting Faster, Changing Sea Level

 

[Chris]

Andean glaciers are melting so fast that some are expected to disappear within 15-25 years, denying major cities water supplies and putting populations and food supplies at risk in Colombia, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia.

The Chacaltaya glacier in Bolivia, the source of fresh water for the cities of La Paz and El Alto, is expected to completely melt within 15 years if present trends continue. Mount Huascarán, Peru's most famous mountain, has lost 1,280 hectares (3,163 acres) of ice, around 40% of the area it covered only 30 years ago. The O'Higgins glacier in Chile has shrunk by nine miles in 100 years and Argentina's Upsala glacier is losing 14 metres (46ft) a year.

Although a few glaciers in southern Patagonia are increasing in size, almost all near the tropics are in rapid retreat. Some glaciers in Colombia are now less than 20% of the mass recorded in 1850 and Ecuador could lose half its most important glaciers within 20 years.

The rate of glacier retreat has shocked scientists, says a report on the effects of global warming in Latin America by 20 UK-based environment and development groups who have drawn on national scientific assessments. Their study says climate change is accelerating the deglaciation phenomenon.

"The speeding up of the ... process is a catastrophic danger," says Carmen Felipe, president of Peru's water management institute. In the short term, the president says, it could cause overflows of reservoirs and trigger mudslides, and in the longer term cut water supplies.

Cities in peril as Andean glaciers melt | Environment | The Guardian

 

[DiveCon]

Andean glaciers are melting so fast that some are expected to disappear within 15-25 years, denying major cities water supplies and putting populations and food supplies at risk in Colombia, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia.

The Chacaltaya glacier in Bolivia, the source of fresh water for the cities of La Paz and El Alto, is expected to completely melt within 15 years if present trends continue. Mount Huascarán, Peru's most famous mountain, has lost 1,280 hectares (3,163 acres) of ice, around 40% of the area it covered only 30 years ago. The O'Higgins glacier in Chile has shrunk by nine miles in 100 years and Argentina's Upsala glacier is losing 14 metres (46ft) a year.

Although a few glaciers in southern Patagonia are increasing in size, almost all near the tropics are in rapid retreat. Some glaciers in Colombia are now less than 20% of the mass recorded in 1850 and Ecuador could lose half its most important glaciers within 20 years.

The rate of glacier retreat has shocked scientists, says a report on the effects of global warming in Latin America by 20 UK-based environment and development groups who have drawn on national scientific assessments. Their study says climate change is accelerating the deglaciation phenomenon.

"The speeding up of the ... process is a catastrophic danger," says Carmen Felipe, president of Peru's water management institute. In the short term, the president says, it could cause overflows of reservoirs and trigger mudslides, and in the longer term cut water supplies.

Cities in peril as Andean glaciers melt | Environment | The Guardian

gee, imagine that
Glaciers left over from the last ice age are melting on the FUCKING EQUATOR

 

[Harry Dresden]

Andean glaciers are melting so fast that some are expected to disappear within 15-25 years, denying major cities water supplies and putting populations and food supplies at risk in Colombia, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia.

The Chacaltaya glacier in Bolivia, the source of fresh water for the cities of La Paz and El Alto, is expected to completely melt within 15 years if present trends continue. Mount Huascarán, Peru's most famous mountain, has lost 1,280 hectares (3,163 acres) of ice, around 40% of the area it covered only 30 years ago. The O'Higgins glacier in Chile has shrunk by nine miles in 100 years and Argentina's Upsala glacier is losing 14 metres (46ft) a year.

Although a few glaciers in southern Patagonia are increasing in size, almost all near the tropics are in rapid retreat. Some glaciers in Colombia are now less than 20% of the mass recorded in 1850 and Ecuador could lose half its most important glaciers within 20 years.

The rate of glacier retreat has shocked scientists, says a report on the effects of global warming in Latin America by 20 UK-based environment and development groups who have drawn on national scientific assessments. Their study says climate change is accelerating the deglaciation phenomenon.

"The speeding up of the ... process is a catastrophic danger," says Carmen Felipe, president of Peru's water management institute. In the short term, the president says, it could cause overflows of reservoirs and trigger mudslides, and in the longer term cut water supplies.

Cities in peril as Andean glaciers melt | Environment | The Guardian

gee, imagine that
Glaciers left over from the last ice age are melting on the FUCKING EQUATOR

Chrissies brain is melting.....

 

[code1211]

Andean glaciers are melting so fast that some are expected to disappear within 15-25 years, denying major cities water supplies and putting populations and food supplies at risk in Colombia, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia.

The Chacaltaya glacier in Bolivia, the source of fresh water for the cities of La Paz and El Alto, is expected to completely melt within 15 years if present trends continue. Mount Huascarán, Peru's most famous mountain, has lost 1,280 hectares (3,163 acres) of ice, around 40% of the area it covered only 30 years ago. The O'Higgins glacier in Chile has shrunk by nine miles in 100 years and Argentina's Upsala glacier is losing 14 metres (46ft) a year.

Although a few glaciers in southern Patagonia are increasing in size, almost all near the tropics are in rapid retreat. Some glaciers in Colombia are now less than 20% of the mass recorded in 1850 and Ecuador could lose half its most important glaciers within 20 years.

The rate of glacier retreat has shocked scientists, says a report on the effects of global warming in Latin America by 20 UK-based environment and development groups who have drawn on national scientific assessments. Their study says climate change is accelerating the deglaciation phenomenon.

"The speeding up of the ... process is a catastrophic danger," says Carmen Felipe, president of Peru's water management institute. In the short term, the president says, it could cause overflows of reservoirs and trigger mudslides, and in the longer term cut water supplies.

Cities in peril as Andean glaciers melt | Environment | The Guardian

I noticed your article was from 2006 so I Googled a more recent one. According to an official from Bolivis, the big question is who will pay Bolivia for this. Ah! The light is dawning. If mankind, and therefore the USA is culpable, then Bolivia gets cash.

More motivation to prove that AGW is a fact. Are there any Bolibian scientists who are opposing the party line?

Here is an excerpt:

Retreat of Andean Glaciers Foretells Global Water Woes by Carolyn Kormann: Yale Environment 360

“The grand question here is, who compensates,” says Oscar Paz, director of Bolivia’s National Climate Change Program, “because we are not culpable for climate change. It’s not fair that a country like Bolivia, which emits 0.02 percent of global greenhouse emissions, already has annual economic losses from the impacts of climate change equivalent to four percent of our GDP.” These losses, about $400 million, are largely due to the recent Amazonian floods.

 

[Chris]

code, you are always trying to change the subject.

If the earth warms a great deal, we will have more to worry about than Bolivia.

Nice try at deflection, however.

 

[elvis]

code, you are always trying to change the subject.

If the earth warms a great deal, we will have more to worry about than Bolivia.

Nice try at deflection, however.

not that you ever do that, Christina.

 

[Chris]

code, you are always trying to change the subject.

If the earth warms a great deal, we will have more to worry about than Bolivia.

Nice try at deflection, however.

not that you ever do that, Christina.

Personal attacks are all you have.

It's kind of pathetic really.

 

[elvis]

code, you are always trying to change the subject.

If the earth warms a great deal, we will have more to worry about than Bolivia.

Nice try at deflection, however.

not that you ever do that, Christina.

Personal attacks are all you have.

It's kind of pathetic really.

We have refuted your claims over and over again. You're just too dense to defend the refutations. the attacks are just fun because you're such a douchebag.

 

[Chris]

not that you ever do that, Christina.

Personal attacks are all you have.

It's kind of pathetic really.

We have refuted your claims over and over again. You're just too dense to defend the refutations. the attacks are just fun because you're such a douchebag.

You have refuted nothing.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat.

We are adding 8 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year.

Refute that.

 

[del]

Personal attacks are all you have.

It's kind of pathetic really.

We have refuted your claims over and over again. You're just too dense to defend the refutations. the attacks are just fun because you're such a douchebag.

You have refuted nothing.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat.

We are adding 8 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year.

Refute that.

what causes you to retain water, chrissi?

 

[Chris]

We have refuted your claims over and over again. You're just too dense to defend the refutations. the attacks are just fun because you're such a douchebag.

You have refuted nothing.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat.

We are adding 8 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year.

Refute that.

what causes you to retain water, chrissi?

What causes you to waste your time here?

 

[DiveCon]

you have refuted nothing.

Co2 causes the earth to retain heat.

We are adding 8 billion tons of co2 to the atmosphere every year.

Refute that.

what causes you to retain water, chrissi?

what causes you to waste your time here?

uh, YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chris]

what causes you to retain water, chrissi?

what causes you to waste your time here?

uh, YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

No, Dive, you have no other life.

 

[DiveCon]

what causes you to waste your time here?

uh, YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

No, Dive, you have no other life.

but YOU are the cause of it being a waste of time