Oh my God...Another Tipping Point! Ahhhhh!

[westwall]

Normally I like Harrison Ford quite a bit. However, it seems he has fallen for the new "bad thing" designed to take the peoples money away from them now that globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Earth is 'at a tipping point', warns Harrison Ford

The loss of biodiversity is the next BIG THING. Even though we just classified something like 18,000 new species last year.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's the Great Climactic Googly Moogly, Charlie Brown!

 

[uscitizen]

You should only take political advice form repubable entertainers like Beck.
Or maybe Paris Hilton.



Sheesh what idiots take what entertainers say seriously anyway?

 

[loosecannon]

You should only take political advice form repubable entertainers like Beck.
Or maybe Paris Hilton.



Sheesh what idiots take what entertainers say seriously anyway?

occasionally even entertainers say something of gravity. Whether "tipping point" is hyperbole I dunno. The article clearly demonstrates the same kind of alarmism used to promote the climate change hysteria.

But labeling Ford a conspiracy theorist or an alarmist may cause us to miss something that is actually profoundly important. There is no doubt that the general environment is under assault by the population bomb.

 

[Mini 14]

Normally I like Harrison Ford quite a bit. However, it seems he has fallen for the new "bad thing" designed to take the peoples money away from them now that globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Earth is 'at a tipping point', warns Harrison Ford

The loss of biodiversity is the next BIG THING. Even though we just classified something like 18,000 new species last year.

Ford is an actor, not a thinker.

 

[Big Black Dog]

It's the Great Climactic Googly Moogly, Charlie Brown!

Hope everybody has a nice Googly Moogly day!

 

[konradv]

Normally I like Harrison Ford quite a bit. However, it seems he has fallen for the new "bad thing" designed to take the peoples money away from them now that globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Earth is 'at a tipping point', warns Harrison Ford

The loss of biodiversity is the next BIG THING. Even though we just classified something like 18,000 new species last year.

It would be something, if there were 18,000 new species last year, but they've always been there. Ford was talking about the ones we're losing. The fact that we found some previously undiscovered, doesn't mean a thing with regard to the total. The net is still a decrease. Any wonder the skeptics don't get much respect. Here we have someone who either doesn't realize that the 18,000 classified ISN'T a gain or does and is just trying to cloud the issue.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tipping Point Warning Sign

 

[asterism]

Normally I like Harrison Ford quite a bit. However, it seems he has fallen for the new "bad thing" designed to take the peoples money away from them now that globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Earth is 'at a tipping point', warns Harrison Ford

The loss of biodiversity is the next BIG THING. Even though we just classified something like 18,000 new species last year.

It would be something, if there were 18,000 new species last year, but they've always been there. Ford was talking about the ones we're losing. The fact that we found some previously undiscovered, doesn't mean a thing with regard to the total. The net is still a decrease. Any wonder the skeptics don't get much respect. Here we have someone who either doesn't realize that the 18,000 classified ISN'T a gain or does and is just trying to cloud the issue.

How do we know that the net is a decrease if we don't know the total? Also, how do we know that they newly discovered species have always been there? Always? Isn't that contradicting evolution?

 

[loosecannon]

How do we know that the net is a decrease if we don't know the total? Also, how do we know that they newly discovered species have always been there? Always? Isn't that contradicting evolution?

Because we know that the timeline to create new species is considerably longer than to destroy existing species in extinction events. Like the extinction event that is called the industrial revolution.

Merely discovering 18,000 new species means nothing. There are probably 18,000 that we already destroyed that we never knew existed. Or more like 180,000. Or 1.8 million. Or 18 million.

How do you know we didn't destroy 180 billion species that we never knew existed?

 

[asterism]

How do we know that the net is a decrease if we don't know the total? Also, how do we know that they newly discovered species have always been there? Always? Isn't that contradicting evolution?

Because we know that the timeline to create new species is considerably longer than to destroy existing species in extinction events. Like the extinction event that is called the industrial revolution.

Interesting premise. So we know we're killing more because we just are?

Merely discovering 18,000 new species means nothing. There are probably 18,000 that we already destroyed that we never knew existed. Or more like 180,000. Or 1.8 million. Or 18 million.

How do we know that?

How do you know we didn't destroy 180 billion species that we never knew existed?

We don't, that's my point.

 

[Old Rocks]

Once again Walleyes demonstrates the depths of his ignorance.

The Sixth Extinction (ActionBioscience)

There is little doubt left in the minds of professional biologists that Earth is currently faced with a mounting loss of species that threatens to rival the five great mass extinctions of the geological past. As long ago as 1993, Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson estimated that Earth is currently losing something on the order of 30,000 species per year — which breaks down to the even more daunting statistic of some three species per hour. Some biologists have begun to feel that this biodiversity crisis — this “Sixth Extinction” — is even more severe, and more imminent, than Wilson had supposed.

 

[Old Rocks]

http://web.archive.org/web/20070607101209/http://www.amnh.org/museum/press/feature/biofact.html

NATIONAL SURVEY REVEALS BIODIVERSITY CRISIS - SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS BELIEVE WE ARE IN MIDST OF FASTEST MASS EXTINCTION IN EARTH'S HISTORY
Crisis Poses Major Threat to Human Survival; Public Unaware of Danger
WHAT:
The American Museum of Natural History and Louis Harris and Associates, Inc., in conjunction with the opening of the Museum's new Hall of Biodiversity, developed a nationwide survey titled Biodiversity in the Next Millennium. The survey reveals a startling gap in understanding between the scientific community and the general public concerning a current crisis in sustaining "biodiversity" - the variety and interdependence of the Earth's plants and animals.

HIGHLIGHTS:

Seven out of ten biologists believe that we are in the midst of a mass extinction of living things, and that this dramatic loss of species poses a major threat to human existence in the next century.

In strong contrast to the fears expressed by scientists, the general public is relatively unaware of the loss of species and the threats that it poses.

This mass extinction is the fastest in Earth's 4.5-billion-year history and, unlike prior extinctions, is mainly the result of human activity and not of natural phenomena

 

[loosecannon]

How do we know that the net is a decrease if we don't know the total? Also, how do we know that they newly discovered species have always been there? Always? Isn't that contradicting evolution?

Because we know that the timeline to create new species is considerably longer than to destroy existing species in extinction events. Like the extinction event that is called the industrial revolution.

Interesting premise. So we know we're killing more because we just are?

Merely discovering 18,000 new species means nothing. There are probably 18,000 that we already destroyed that we never knew existed. Or more like 180,000. Or 1.8 million. Or 18 million.

How do we know that?

How do you know we didn't destroy 180 billion species that we never knew existed?

We don't, that's my point.

exactly we don't know how many species we are killing. But we do know that the rise of man is the second most profound extinction event in known history.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are we in the midst of the sixth mass extinction? A view from the world of amphibians ? PNAS

Are we in the midst of the sixth mass extinction? A view from the world of amphibians
David B. Wake*† and Vance T. Vredenburg*‡
+ Author Affiliations

*Museum of Vertebrate Zoology and Department of Integrative Biology, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720-3160; and
‡Department of Biology, San Francisco State University, San Francisco, CA 94132-1722
Abstract
Many scientists argue that we are either entering or in the midst of the sixth great mass extinction. Intense human pressure, both direct and indirect, is having profound effects on natural environments. The amphibians—frogs, salamanders, and caecilians—may be the only major group currently at risk globally. A detailed worldwide assessment and subsequent updates show that one-third or more of the 6,300 species are threatened with extinction. This trend is likely to accelerate because most amphibians occur in the tropics and have small geographic ranges that make them susceptible to extinction. The increasing pressure from habitat destruction and climate change is likely to have major impacts on narrowly adapted and distributed species. We show that salamanders on tropical mountains are particularly at risk. A new and significant threat to amphibians is a virulent, emerging infectious disease, chytridiomycosis, which appears to be globally distributed, and its effects may be exacerbated by global warming. This disease, which is caused by a fungal pathogen and implicated in serious declines and extinctions of >200 species of amphibians, poses the greatest threat to biodiversity of any known disease. Our data for frogs in the Sierra Nevada of California show that the fungus is having a devastating impact on native species, already weakened by the effects of pollution and introduced predators. A general message from amphibians is that we may have little time to stave off a potential mass extinction

 

[loosecannon]

The Holocene extinction is the widespread, ongoing extinction of species during the present Holocene epoch. The large number of extinctions span numerous families of plants and animals including mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods; a sizeable fraction of these extinctions are occurring in the rainforests. Between 1500 and 2009, 875 extinctions have been documented by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources.[1] However, most extinctions go undocumented. According to the Species-area theory and based on upper-bound estimating, up to 140,000 species per year may be the present rate of extinction.[2]

In broad usage, Holocene extinction includes the notable disappearance of large mammals, known as megafauna, starting 10,000 years ago as humans developed and spread. Such disappearances have normally been considered as either a result of global warming (the current climate change), a result of the proliferation of modern humans, or both; however in 2007 a cometary impact hypothesis was presented, but has not been broadly accepted. These extinctions, occurring near the Pleistocene–Holocene boundary, are sometimes referred to as the Quaternary extinction event or Ice Age extinction. However the Holocene extinction may be regarded as continuing into the 21st century.

There is no general agreement on whether to consider more recent extinctions as a distinct event or merely part of the Quaternary extinction event. Only during these most recent parts of the extinction have plants also suffered large losses. Overall, the Holocene extinction is most significantly characterised by the presence of human-made driving factors and climate change.

Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

regardless of whether you trust the source or the data the age of man is clearly hugely destructive to species and their habitat and cannot be dismissed based on insufficient data.

My own direct real world experience in the commercial fishing industry proved to myself that we can drive any species toward the limits of extinction within a few years or a decade if we sufficiently lust after their flesh.

The population of AK King crabs declined by 80% within a few short years once technological advances in harvest surpassed the species ability to reproduce.

Numerous species in the Aleutians had already been driven toward the boundary of extinction in the previous 130 years even with relatively archaic technologies.

 

[Trajan]

Normally I like Harrison Ford quite a bit. However, it seems he has fallen for the new "bad thing" designed to take the peoples money away from them now that globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Earth is 'at a tipping point', warns Harrison Ford

The loss of biodiversity is the next BIG THING. Even though we just classified something like 18,000 new species last year.

How many tipping points does this make?

 

[asterism]

exactly we don't know how many species we are killing.

Nor do we know how many are being created (evolution, remember?) or have been created in the past but have not been discovered.

But we do know that the rise of man is the second most profound extinction event in known history.

How do we know that?

 

[asterism]

The Holocene extinction is the widespread, ongoing extinction of species during the present Holocene epoch. The large number of extinctions span numerous families of plants and animals including mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods; a sizeable fraction of these extinctions are occurring in the rainforests. Between 1500 and 2009, 875 extinctions have been documented by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources.[1] However, most extinctions go undocumented. According to the Species-area theory and based on upper-bound estimating, up to 140,000 species per year may be the present rate of extinction.[2]

In broad usage, Holocene extinction includes the notable disappearance of large mammals, known as megafauna, starting 10,000 years ago as humans developed and spread. Such disappearances have normally been considered as either a result of global warming (the current climate change), a result of the proliferation of modern humans, or both; however in 2007 a cometary impact hypothesis was presented, but has not been broadly accepted. These extinctions, occurring near the Pleistocene–Holocene boundary, are sometimes referred to as the Quaternary extinction event or Ice Age extinction. However the Holocene extinction may be regarded as continuing into the 21st century.

There is no general agreement on whether to consider more recent extinctions as a distinct event or merely part of the Quaternary extinction event. Only during these most recent parts of the extinction have plants also suffered large losses. Overall, the Holocene extinction is most significantly characterised by the presence of human-made driving factors and climate change.

Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

regardless of whether you trust the source or the data the age of man is clearly hugely destructive to species and their habitat and cannot be dismissed based on insufficient data.

My own direct real world experience in the commercial fishing industry proved to myself that we can drive any species toward the limits of extinction within a few years or a decade if we sufficiently lust after their flesh.

The population of AK King crabs declined by 80% within a few short years once technological advances in harvest surpassed the species ability to reproduce.

Numerous species in the Aleutians had already been driven toward the boundary of extinction in the previous 130 years even with relatively archaic technologies.

The "boundary of extinction." Yeah we all know what that is, it means a thriving species that some study shows might be threatened based on limited data. Alligators were supposedly going to disappear. There are 10 of them right out there off my dock right now, which is a huge increase from 20 years ago.

I've seen the data collection methods of these advocates and advocate scientists who have no formal training in statistics. Let's just say they are lacking.

We do water quality studies here, and the methods used to process the data are done by advocates, not scientists. The processes for measuring the data asked are antiquated and more accurate methods are shunned because "we haven't adjusted to new technology." I had one scientist outright tell me that the whole program of measuring water quality was under constant threat unless they demonstrated the need to have it, so I should ignore unexpected good quality measurements.

"We know the quality is declining and we need your help to stop it."

 

[loosecannon]

The Holocene extinction is the widespread, ongoing extinction of species during the present Holocene epoch. The large number of extinctions span numerous families of plants and animals including mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods; a sizeable fraction of these extinctions are occurring in the rainforests. Between 1500 and 2009, 875 extinctions have been documented by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources.[1] However, most extinctions go undocumented. According to the Species-area theory and based on upper-bound estimating, up to 140,000 species per year may be the present rate of extinction.[2]

In broad usage, Holocene extinction includes the notable disappearance of large mammals, known as megafauna, starting 10,000 years ago as humans developed and spread. Such disappearances have normally been considered as either a result of global warming (the current climate change), a result of the proliferation of modern humans, or both; however in 2007 a cometary impact hypothesis was presented, but has not been broadly accepted. These extinctions, occurring near the Pleistocene–Holocene boundary, are sometimes referred to as the Quaternary extinction event or Ice Age extinction. However the Holocene extinction may be regarded as continuing into the 21st century.

There is no general agreement on whether to consider more recent extinctions as a distinct event or merely part of the Quaternary extinction event. Only during these most recent parts of the extinction have plants also suffered large losses. Overall, the Holocene extinction is most significantly characterised by the presence of human-made driving factors and climate change.

Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

regardless of whether you trust the source or the data the age of man is clearly hugely destructive to species and their habitat and cannot be dismissed based on insufficient data.

My own direct real world experience in the commercial fishing industry proved to myself that we can drive any species toward the limits of extinction within a few years or a decade if we sufficiently lust after their flesh.

The population of AK King crabs declined by 80% within a few short years once technological advances in harvest surpassed the species ability to reproduce.

Numerous species in the Aleutians had already been driven toward the boundary of extinction in the previous 130 years even with relatively archaic technologies.

The "boundary of extinction." Yeah we all know what that is, it means a thriving species that some study shows might be threatened based on limited data. Alligators were supposedly going to disappear. There are 10 of them right out there off my dock right now, which is a huge increase from 20 years ago.

I've seen the data collection methods of these advocates and advocate scientists who have no formal training in statistics. Let's just say they are lacking.

We do water quality studies here, and the methods used to process the data are done by advocates, not scientists. The processes for measuring the data asked are antiquated and more accurate methods are shunned because "we haven't adjusted to new technology." I had one scientist outright tell me that the whole program of measuring water quality was under constant threat unless they demonstrated the need to have it, so I should ignore unexpected good quality measurements.

"We know the quality is declining and we need your help to stop it."

if your purpose is to install yourself in a position of denial then nobody can free you from your own trap.

You are still an idiot and wrong.