OH MY GAWD! What if Holder didn't know about ATF gunwalking?

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    Matthew Miller. formerly a top aide to Eric Holder was just interviewed on TV.

    Top Aide to Holder Is Leaving Justice Dept. - Washington Wire - WSJ

    The Ed Schultz Show

    Mr. Miller said all of these operations were started under Bush and they continued at a low level without the knowledge of Obama Administration officials. In fact, he said the head of the ATF (The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) stated, under oath, that he never told Holder of the operation. He said the very day Holder was informed of the operation, he issued an order for this operation to stop.

    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does anyone understand what that means? It means that Holder learned of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's death before he even heard of "Operation Gun Runner".

    And the most damning comment of all. Mr. Miller said that Darrell Issa has all of this information but refused to let the former head of the ATF testfy.

    If this is true, the Mitt will hit the fan. This far ahead of the election, all the facts will come out. Republicans will have a lot of "splainin'" to do. This would have worked better two weeks before the election. But now? When all the facts come out? It's like Shirley Sherrod all over again, but on a larger scale.

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    That means Holder is shit as a leader of the DOJ and should resign his position.


    I have a hard fucking time believing that Holder had no clue about an operation that delivered a shitload of guns from the U.S. to Mexican drug cartels and resulted in hundreds of murders including that of a Border Patrol agent.

    If he didn't, he needs to go, along with the people who did this behind his back.
     
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    Why do you say that? Bush kept the cost of the two wars from the American people for years. The way these Republicans hate both Obama and Holder, I'm sure there are lots of things they weren't told. Hell, Republicans have publicly stated they want this president to fail. Information is power. So is keeping it secret. We know Republicans hate Obama more than they love America. That's a given.
     
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    ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010

    ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010 - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    Terry was not killed until December 2010.

    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Fine, why doesn't he just produce the documents congress subpoenaed and be done with it? We learned from Watergate that the cover up is worse than the crime. Holder is no legal genius, he is a lock-step left wing zombie like the rest of the cabinet including a treasury secretary who didn't pay income tax because he didn't know how to fill out the forms so maybe he is unaware that he is creating the image of corruption.
     
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    And yet the WH Press Secretary Credits Holder with Personally Ending F&F months before he admits to knowing about it. lol

    I mean wow a Former Aide Says he didn't know, it must be true. Call off the Investigation.

    lol

    Either He knew, and is a Criminal, Or he didn't know and is incompetent. Take your pick.
     
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    Automatic, Computer Software Forms at that. He Actually had to check a box that said no, I do not have this type of Income to Report, when he in fact did. lol
     
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    I am shocked, shocked, that Pubs, the PPM, and the dupes are FOS as always...They should be investigating the ATF but that wouldn't follow their BS story line.

    Strangely, Obama and Holder believe in facts and the law. A) Issa et al want stuff they haven't shown they need, since they're totally FOS propagandists, and B) they've asked for Grand jury and wiretap transcripts, which it would be ILLEGAL to hand over.

    Lying Pubs and brainwashed dupes= the modern world's worst party...
     
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    And yet the very same memo you posted says the operation started in September of 2009. That means this entire operation with started WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE of Eric Holder. The second memo has no mention of Holder in any of the addresses listed.
    The third memo is completely blacked out.

    Further on in the story:

    Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

    ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."

    See? AFT named the case. Not the Justice Department.

    And at the end of the article, it says, "The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General."

    You see what I mean? We aren't going to know what the truth is. But how did Holder put together such an enormous operation so soon after he became Attorney General, and in a "pro-Bush, pro-Republican" area where all Republicans want to do is block the Obama administration?

    It doesn't pass the "smell" test. Even you have to admit that. And next time, read your links.
     
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    The french might not understand but the death of a US Border Patrol officer shot in the back in the line of duty is no B.S. The facts are that the Attorney General might be the top law-enforcement officer in the Country but he is not above the law. He cannot refuse a congressional subpoena even if he has a little army of ignorant lefties who support his decision.
     

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