Oh Canada!

[onecut39]

This is something we should pay attention to. It lays waste to a lot of GOP theories.

Hardheaded Socialism Makes Canada Richer Than U.S. - Bloomberg

 

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Canadia for the Canadians!!!

 

[tinydancer]

This is something we should pay attention to. It lays waste to a lot of GOP theories.

Hardheaded Socialism Makes Canada Richer Than U.S. - Bloomberg

Geeze louizzee. I'm a Canuck and the government is right wing and yes I adore Harper as a serious freaking conservative.

I'll go to the link, but I'll tell you right now we are conservative. Holy shit. I can't beleive some of the crap on this board at the best of times.

 

[tinydancer]

OK, read the piece. Headline doesn't match the article but what else is new. It's an Axelrod trick.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the reason Paul Martin, and I personally like the man, was a fabulous Finance minister is that he continued to implement drastic tax strategies that pulled us all out a recession from the 80's and into a brave new world.

As a society we bit the bullet. Mulroney (conservative) came up with the GST. Everyone pays tax on everything.

Now this was supposed to be a short lived tax, and yes they had the balls to call it a tax but we wiped out the debt in world record time and credit where credit is due to Paul Martin was a most amazing finance minister.

But Martin had the power of the GST to balance the books.

 

[onecut39]

OK, read the piece. Headline doesn't match the article but what else is new. It's an Axelrod trick.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the reason Paul Martin, and I personally like the man, was a fabulous Finance minister is that he continued to implement drastic tax strategies that pulled us all out a recession from the 80's and into a brave new world.

As a society we bit the bullet. Mulroney (conservative) came up with the GST. Everyone pays tax on everything.

Now this was supposed to be a short lived tax, and yes they had the balls to call it a tax but we wiped out the debt in world record time and credit where credit is due to Paul Martin was a most amazing finance minister.

But Martin had the power of the GST to balance the books.

Wiped out what debt? You mean this one? You are a bit premature.

Canada Debt Clock July 2012

 

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This is something we should pay attention to. It lays waste to a lot of GOP theories.

Hardheaded Socialism Makes Canada Richer Than U.S. - Bloomberg

You mean democrats couldnt take that economy down as they did with ours.

I wont even bother to discuss the shellacking the liberal party got up there.

You dont have the intelligence. If you did you wouldnt have posted this.

 

[tinydancer]

I should add that Harper as soon as he could gain the seats needed, Harper reduced the GST by 2 % points.

Flaherty and Harper have been and are continuing to be awesome stick handling our financial puck. I think it does help when your government on a state (provincial for us) or federal level are people from all walks of life other than all the lawyers who assume their rightfull place is to be in the Congress or the Senate.

 

[tinydancer]

OK, read the piece. Headline doesn't match the article but what else is new. It's an Axelrod trick.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the reason Paul Martin, and I personally like the man, was a fabulous Finance minister is that he continued to implement drastic tax strategies that pulled us all out a recession from the 80's and into a brave new world.

As a society we bit the bullet. Mulroney (conservative) came up with the GST. Everyone pays tax on everything.

Now this was supposed to be a short lived tax, and yes they had the balls to call it a tax but we wiped out the debt in world record time and credit where credit is due to Paul Martin was a most amazing finance minister.

But Martin had the power of the GST to balance the books.

Wiped out what debt? You mean this one? You are a bit premature.

Canada Debt Clock July 2012

Oh stop. Bite me. I specifically was referring to the years Paul Martin was finance minister.

That is a decade called the 90's. And even though Martin is a giant lib, he was the most amazing finance minister. He kept his stick on the ice, used the tool Mulroney gave him, and shot that puck into the finance net to win the day.

Paul Martin, yes check out your window, pigs are flying by was an amazing finance minister.

 

[onecut39]

OK, read the piece. Headline doesn't match the article but what else is new. It's an Axelrod trick.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the reason Paul Martin, and I personally like the man, was a fabulous Finance minister is that he continued to implement drastic tax strategies that pulled us all out a recession from the 80's and into a brave new world.

As a society we bit the bullet. Mulroney (conservative) came up with the GST. Everyone pays tax on everything.

Now this was supposed to be a short lived tax, and yes they had the balls to call it a tax but we wiped out the debt in world record time and credit where credit is due to Paul Martin was a most amazing finance minister.

But Martin had the power of the GST to balance the books.

Wiped out what debt? You mean this one? You are a bit premature.

Canada Debt Clock July 2012

Oh stop. Bite me. I specifically was referring to the years Paul Martin was finance minister.

That is a decade called the 90's. And even though Martin is a giant lib, he was the most amazing finance minister. He kept his stick on the ice, used the tool Mulroney gave him, and shot that puck into the finance net to win the day.

Paul Martin, yes check out your window, pigs are flying by was an amazing finance minister.

Canada is far more socialist than the US. Can you admit that?

 

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Wiped out what debt? You mean this one? You are a bit premature.

Canada Debt Clock July 2012

Oh stop. Bite me. I specifically was referring to the years Paul Martin was finance minister.

That is a decade called the 90's. And even though Martin is a giant lib, he was the most amazing finance minister. He kept his stick on the ice, used the tool Mulroney gave him, and shot that puck into the finance net to win the day.

Paul Martin, yes check out your window, pigs are flying by was an amazing finance minister.

Canada is far more socialist than the US. Can you admit that?

is that true anymore?

 

[tinydancer]

Wiped out what debt? You mean this one? You are a bit premature.

Canada Debt Clock July 2012

Oh stop. Bite me. I specifically was referring to the years Paul Martin was finance minister.

That is a decade called the 90's. And even though Martin is a giant lib, he was the most amazing finance minister. He kept his stick on the ice, used the tool Mulroney gave him, and shot that puck into the finance net to win the day.

Paul Martin, yes check out your window, pigs are flying by was an amazing finance minister.

Canada is far more socialist than the US. Can you admit that?

I live here. So it's a big no. And I should give you a heads up. I was a lib for eons. I campaigned personally for Trudeau. I know both sides of the aisle very well.

We are very conservative on most issues. Socially we differ, but we understand that. For example I now live in a province that would technically be considered liberal or green party by most if you read their party platform.

But here's the deal. When even NDP assume political power and wear the mantle called a majority our politicians realize that they just don't represent liberals. They are the keepers of left and right and in the middle. And they govern wisely.

Do you understand this?

 

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From the OP link:

Policy has played a significant part as well, though. Both liberals and conservatives in the U.S. have tried to use the Canadian example to promote their arguments: The left says Canada shows the rewards of financial regulation and socialism, while the right likes to vaunt the brutal cuts made to Canadian social programs in the 1990s, which set the stage for economic recovery.

The truth is that both sides are right. Since the 1990s, Canada has pursued a hardheaded (even ruthless), fiscally conservative form of socialism. Its originator was Paul Martin, who was finance minister for most of the ’90s, and served a stint as prime minister from 2003 to 2006. Alone among finance ministers in the Group of Eight nations, he “resisted the siren call of deregulation,” in his words, and insisted that the banks tighten their loan-loss and reserve requirements. He also made a courageous decision not to allow Canadian banks to merge, even though their chief executives claimed they would never be globally competitive unless they did. The stability of Canadian banks and the concomitant stability in the housing market provide the clearest explanation for why Canadians are richer than Americans today.

Martin also slashed funding to social programs. He foresaw that crippling deficits imperiled Canada’s education and health- care systems, which even his Conservative predecessor, Brian Mulroney, described as a “sacred trust.” He cut corporate taxes, too. Growth is required to pay for social programs, and social programs that increase opportunity and social integration are the best way to ensure growth over the long term. Social programs and robust capitalism are not, as so many would have you believe, inherently opposed propositions. Both are required for meaningful national prosperity.

 

[tinydancer]

From the OP link:

Policy has played a significant part as well, though. Both liberals and conservatives in the U.S. have tried to use the Canadian example to promote their arguments: The left says Canada shows the rewards of financial regulation and socialism, while the right likes to vaunt the brutal cuts made to Canadian social programs in the 1990s, which set the stage for economic recovery.

The truth is that both sides are right. Since the 1990s, Canada has pursued a hardheaded (even ruthless), fiscally conservative form of socialism. Its originator was Paul Martin, who was finance minister for most of the ’90s, and served a stint as prime minister from 2003 to 2006. Alone among finance ministers in the Group of Eight nations, he “resisted the siren call of deregulation,” in his words, and insisted that the banks tighten their loan-loss and reserve requirements. He also made a courageous decision not to allow Canadian banks to merge, even though their chief executives claimed they would never be globally competitive unless they did. The stability of Canadian banks and the concomitant stability in the housing market provide the clearest explanation for why Canadians are richer than Americans today.

Martin also slashed funding to social programs. He foresaw that crippling deficits imperiled Canada’s education and health- care systems, which even his Conservative predecessor, Brian Mulroney, described as a “sacred trust.” He cut corporate taxes, too. Growth is required to pay for social programs, and social programs that increase opportunity and social integration are the best way to ensure growth over the long term. Social programs and robust capitalism are not, as so many would have you believe, inherently opposed propositions. Both are required for meaningful national prosperity.

Paul Martin is no socialist. The Right Honorable Finance Minister was a whizz stick handling thru the 90's but he had the GST.

On top of everything you purchased or used, taxi ride to manicures you paid 7% to the feds.

So you go to buy your cat litter. You pay the price at the till, you pay the state sales tax like a provincial sales tax.

But now you get to pay the GST. 7% now reduced to 5% thank the heavens, but now you give your feds 7 % tax on breathing or shitting or eating.

Go for it libs. Let's see how you like an across the board GST. 7% .

 

[auditor0007]

Oh stop. Bite me. I specifically was referring to the years Paul Martin was finance minister.

That is a decade called the 90's. And even though Martin is a giant lib, he was the most amazing finance minister. He kept his stick on the ice, used the tool Mulroney gave him, and shot that puck into the finance net to win the day.

Paul Martin, yes check out your window, pigs are flying by was an amazing finance minister.

Canada is far more socialist than the US. Can you admit that?

is that true anymore?

I'll take Canada's conservatism with their national healthcare, thank you. Trying to convince us that Canada is conservative is laughable. It's the same as trying to convince us that most of Europe is conservative.