CDZ Officially designating drug cartels as Terrorists.

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    While I agree with you in general- the drug cartels themselves are still a menace. When we ended Prohibition, we didn't stop prosecuting the gangsters that became wealthy and powerful during Prohibition.
     
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    Nothing like North Korea at all.

    Certainly drugs have added to the corruption in Mexico- (don't pretend it started with cartels).

    North Korea exerts the most control of its citizens of any country on the planet.
    Mexico can't control its gangs which control parts of the country.

    Nothing like North Korea at all.
     
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    Nope, then they'd have a booming market for protection!
     
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    Alcohol is a natural process- doesn't make alcohol any less poisonous to humans. And of course humans go beyond the natural fermentation process which in nature tops out at about 3-5% and we distill alcohol to make 50% proof or more- which is why we have so many alcohol addicts in America.

    Do I want people using Meth or Crack or Heroin? Of course not. But keeping it illegal:
    a) Makes criminals wealthy
    b) Makes criminals violent to protect their wealth
    c) Doesn't stop the use or addiction to these drugs
    d) Gets in the way of treatment to those actually addicted.

    I think legalization is the clearly the lesser of two evils- by a long shot. And by legalization I mean, regulated and distributed at distribution centers.

    Not perfect- but better than our current system which just feeds the cartels.
     
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    A and B are somewhat correct but the addicts are also violent criminals.

    C. You're right, making Meth, Crack, Heroin, Pain Killers illegal does not STOP their use, but it restricts their use substantially. Using your philosophy, decriminalizing petty theft, shoplifting, minor possession of drugs would have no effect on the number of crimes committed. Oh wait, some cities in crashing California are doing just that and crime is exploding. Exploding to the point where small businesses are being forced to close because of massive theft and losses.

    D. That makes no sense. How does the enforcement of drug laws interfere with drug rehabilitation? How has alcohol being legal interfered with treatment for alcoholism?

    Before you rail about simple drug users being imprisoned, we have DRUG COURTS all over the country.
     
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    The comparison to alcohol and illegal drugs is ludicrous. Nobody takes two drinks and becomes addicted, nor does anyone have body parts falling off after a year of even binge drinking.
     
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    ISIS wouldn't have established a caliphate in Iraq had Bush not toppled Saddam Hussein.

    Should point out that most of our troops were out by the time Obama got there.... we were already drawing down.

    So we didn't want to stay and the Iraqis didn't want us to stay... so how were we going to stay at that point?

    Why was he obligated to continue Bush's mistake? America realized we had been LIED into that war and they wanted out. They specifically elected Obama and a Democratic Congress for the express purpose of getting us out.... but Obama was supposed to negotiate an extension of Bush's agreement that neither the US or Iraq really wanted?

    How is throwing 2 million people in prison a good thing, most for non-violent offenses?
     
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    Hey, did you read up on how well Prohibition actually worked?

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    Oh, yeah, it didn't.
     
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    You mean that JV team that isn’t worthy of taking seriously.
     
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    No, we didn't. And we shouldn't stop prosecuting these guys, either.

    But designating them a terrorist group when they clearly don't meet the criteria, and would be counterproductive in our cooperation with Mexico on the issue, is not an answer.
     

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