CDZ Officially designating drug cartels as Terrorists.

[sparky]

But it's OK. You can still blame some vast Jewish conspiracy for all of your failures in life.

Zionists are extremists cloaked in the guise of theocracy , who use antisemitism as a shield.

they are not to be confused with race or religion

~S~

 

[sparky]

Where do we have a major war?

~S~

 

[Markle]

Where do we have a major war?

~S~

Where are we in a major war? It seems to be simple question.

 

[MAGAman]

We only found out that Saddam didn't have stockpiles of WMDs because we invaded and discovered the facilities were a hoax designed to threaten the planet. Had we not invaded, it's impossible to say how he would have continued to manipulate other countries.

Um... No. IN fact, the IAEA and Hans Blix and Scott Ritter all told Bush in advance that Saddam's weapons programs had already been effectively neutered. The guy didn't even control all of his own country, he was essentially the Mayor of Baghdad at that point.

But the Zionists wanted him gone, and we made getting rid of him a top priority, even though it made the ME more unstable.

In fact Blix wasn't allowed to inspect possible WMD sites on most or all occasions and that's why there was never a professional declaration that Saddam had no WMDs.

In fact, Blix wouldnt have tried to inspect if he had no prospect of finding anything.

In fact Hillary, Biden, and Kerry all voted to attack Iraq, as did many Democrats.

In fact, the UN and all NATO countries believed Saddam had WMD stockpiles.

In fact, Saddam had the capability make WMDs, just no stockpiles.

In fact we only found Saddam had no stockpiles after invading and checking.

In fact, siding with America's enemy is a constant with the Left.

 

[JoeB131]

n fact Blix wasn't allowed to inspect possible WMD sites on most or all occasions and that's why there was never a professional declaration that Saddam had no WMDs.

In fact, Blix wouldnt have tried to inspect if he had no prospect of finding anything.

In fact Hillary, Biden, and Kerry all voted to attack Iraq, as did many Democrats.

In fact, the UN and all NATO countries believed Saddam had WMD stockpiles.

In fact, Saddam had the capability make WMDs, just no stockpiles.

In fact we only found Saddam had no stockpiles after invading and checking.

In fact, siding with America's enemy is a constant with the Left.

Wow... so many things wrong.

Democrats gave Bush the authority to go to war, if diplomacy failed... They didn't think that he'd go to war without a good reason, but he did.

Saddam didn't have the capability to make weapons at all.

As far a America's Enemy, let's not forget, it was Ronald Reagan who armed Saddam to begin with... until he turned on us. Reagan also armed Bin Laden and the Taliban, because those Rooskies might teach Afghan Girls to Read or something.

 

[MAGAman]

n fact Blix wasn't allowed to inspect possible WMD sites on most or all occasions and that's why there was never a professional declaration that Saddam had no WMDs.

In fact, Blix wouldnt have tried to inspect if he had no prospect of finding anything.

In fact Hillary, Biden, and Kerry all voted to attack Iraq, as did many Democrats.

In fact, the UN and all NATO countries believed Saddam had WMD stockpiles.

In fact, Saddam had the capability make WMDs, just no stockpiles.

In fact we only found Saddam had no stockpiles after invading and checking.

In fact, siding with America's enemy is a constant with the Left.

Wow... so many things wrong.

Democrats gave Bush the authority to go to war, if diplomacy failed... They didn't think that he'd go to war without a good reason, but he did.

Saddam didn't have the capability to make weapons at all.

As far a America's Enemy, let's not forget, it was Ronald Reagan who armed Saddam to begin with... until he turned on us. Reagan also armed Bin Laden and the Taliban, because those Rooskies might teach Afghan Girls to Read or something.

That's really stupid rant.

You're actually saying Democrats voted to go to war but but didn't really want to go to war? That's really stupid, even for a Leftist.

It's good to know you always supported Russian interests over America's, and not just a recent change.

 

[JoeB131]

That's really stupid rant.

You're actually saying Democrats voted to go to war but but didn't really want to go to war? That's really stupid, even for a Leftist.

No, read the resolution..it only authorized war if all diplomatic efforts to resolve the issue failed.

It's good to know you always supported Russian interests over America's, and not just a recent change.

Uh, only guy looking out for Russia's interests is Trump.

But to the point, what stake did we have in Afghanistan? We made the decision to arm a bunch of religious nuts to fight the Russians, and they turned on us.

This by you is a good idea, then?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

That's really stupid rant.

It is JoeB131 you're addressing, after all. Even by normal leftist standards, that's a pretty stupid rant, but it's par for JoeB131.

You're actually saying Democrats voted to go to war but but didn't really want to go to war? That's really stupid, even for a Leftist.

It's good to know you always supported Russian interests over America's, and not just a recent change.

At least he did while they were still the biggest part of the Communist-ruled Soyúz Sovétskikh Sotsialistícheskikh Respúblik. Perhaps not so much, now that they are much less our enemy, and more our ally in most things.

 

[SaxxyBlues]

I wish the president would make it legal for I&I staff and recruiting stations to arm themselves. Remember Chattanooga, TN July 16, 2015, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez

 

[White 6]

That's really stupid rant.

It is JoeB131 you're addressing, after all. Even by normal leftist standards, that's a pretty stupid rant, but it's par for JoeB131.

You're actually saying Democrats voted to go to war but but didn't really want to go to war? That's really stupid, even for a Leftist.

It's good to know you always supported Russian interests over America's, and not just a recent change.

At least he did while they were still the biggest part of the Communist-ruled Soyúz Sovétskikh Sotsialistícheskikh Respúblik. Perhaps not so much, now that they are much less our enemy, and more our ally in most things.

Good Lord, how old are you? They are not our ally and have no intention of being our ally. The basic philosophy of Putin has not changed since his KGB days back in the cold war comrade. They just aren't as out front about about it. More effectively sneaky as they were during the 2016 election. Go get another shot of cheap vodka and put some more fish eggs on your cracker Ivan. I did not actually believe there were Russian trolls on this board. Now not so sure.

 

[Markle]

Wow... so many things wrong.

Democrats gave Bush the authority to go to war, if diplomacy failed... They didn't think that he'd go to war without a good reason, but he did.

Saddam didn't have the capability to make weapons at all.

You just love trolling don't you. You know all that is a lie but you post it anyway.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
- President Clinton in 1998 “

[…], when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”
- President Clinton , Jan. 27, 1998 – State of the Union

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 .

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraqis nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”

“Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.”

“Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”

- President Bill Clinton, Dec. 16, 1998


"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
- Madeline Albright, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "

Update: September 8, 2005 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them..

[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 .

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 .

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 .


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 .

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 .

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 .

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 .

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003" (Currently President Barack Hussein Obama’s Secretary of State)

I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003


"Saddam is gone and good riddance," former President Bill Clinton said yesterday, but he urged President Bush to resist trying to get even with nations that opposed the war.


"There are German and French soldiers in Afghanistan today. Does the President want them to come home?" Clinton said at a Manhattan forum on corporate integrity.


Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)





He [President Clinton] praised Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their handling of the war, but said Bush should have waited longer before attacking for the "chance that either [Saddam Hussein] would have disarmed or . . . we would have had far more members of the Security Council with us."


Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.

- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010
How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

 

[Markle]

No, read the resolution..it only authorized war if all diplomatic efforts to resolve the issue failed.

Here is that part of the resolution. Show us where it says "it only authorized war if all diplomatic efforts to resolve the issue failed".

"
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized to use the
Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary
and appropriate in order to—
(1) defend the national security of the United States against
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ243/PLAW-107publ243.pdf

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

 

[Markle]

Uh, only guy looking out for Russia's interests is Trump.

That statement simply proves either your ignorance or determination to not face FACTS.

EVEN the Democrats in Washington have given up on the stupid RUSSIA COLLUSION line. Now they're on to IMPEACHMENT over the President asking a country to look into corruption in their country before giving them a handout. Are they kidding?

Here I foolishly imagined that EVERYONE would want that to happen.

 

[White 6]

No, read the resolution..it only authorized war if all diplomatic efforts to resolve the issue failed.

Here is that part of the resolution. Show us where it says "it only authorized war if all diplomatic efforts to resolve the issue failed".

"
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized to use the
Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary
and appropriate in order to—
(1) defend the national security of the United States against
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ243/PLAW-107publ243.pdf

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

Great research, really quick and plentiful, but history doesn't give points without finding the weapons of mass destruction. If Bush had gone in, taken Baghdad, captured that asshole, (should have pitched a few grenades down that hole instead) , then landed on the ship, declare victory, left, and got us the hell out of there, fine. We had only lost 300 - 500 troops by that time. Instead he went for regime change, oversaw the death of 4,500plus more of our troop, never did find the massive stockpiles of WMD and never captured Osama Bin Laden in his righteous war, leaving that task for the troops under Obama. His mission creep made a lot of people rich (as wars usually do) and destabilized the entire region, to the point that we don't know how the hell we are ever getting out for there. I don't care that a lot of other people got WMDs wrong also. They were not Commander and Chief. I don't give points for being wrong, those troops are still dead, and the VA hospitals and outpatient clinics are still filled with the results of his mistake.

 

[Markle]

Great research, really quick and plentiful, but history doesn't give points without finding the weapons of mass destruction. If Bush had gone in, taken Baghdad, captured that asshole, (should have pitched a few grenades down that hole instead) , then landed on the ship, declare victory, left, and got us the hell out of there, fine. We had only lost 300 - 500 troops by that time. Instead he went for regime change, oversaw the death of 4,500plus more of our troop, never did find the massive stockpiles of WMD and never captured Osama Bin Laden in his righteous war, leaving that task for the troops under Obama. His mission creep made a lot of people rich (as wars usually do) and destabilized the entire region, to the point that we don't know how the hell we are ever getting out for there. I don't care that a lot of other people got WMDs wrong also. They were not Commander and Chief. I don't give points for being wrong, those troops are still dead, and the VA hospitals and outpatient clinics are still filled with the results of his mistake.

The world, including all top Democrats, knew he had manufactured WMDs and used them on his own people.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq!
The New York Times shockingly admitted in an explosive front page report that thousands of WMDs were found in Iraq since the start of the war:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq! - The Political Insider

###

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says

• Story Highlights
• Pentagon: U.S. secretly shipped Iraq's low-grade uranium dating back to Hussein era
  
• Officials: U.S. military spent $70 million for the transport of materials to Canada
  
• "Yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says - CNN.com

###

How long did Sadam Hussein have to move his WMDs? About two years during which uninspected convoys were seen going into Iran and Syria. Did, or did not, Syria use chemical weapons on their people?

None of that means a tinker's dam today. What are we doing today and where do we go from here?

 

[White 6]

Great research, really quick and plentiful, but history doesn't give points without finding the weapons of mass destruction. If Bush had gone in, taken Baghdad, captured that asshole, (should have pitched a few grenades down that hole instead) , then landed on the ship, declare victory, left, and got us the hell out of there, fine. We had only lost 300 - 500 troops by that time. Instead he went for regime change, oversaw the death of 4,500plus more of our troop, never did find the massive stockpiles of WMD and never captured Osama Bin Laden in his righteous war, leaving that task for the troops under Obama. His mission creep made a lot of people rich (as wars usually do) and destabilized the entire region, to the point that we don't know how the hell we are ever getting out for there. I don't care that a lot of other people got WMDs wrong also. They were not Commander and Chief. I don't give points for being wrong, those troops are still dead, and the VA hospitals and outpatient clinics are still filled with the results of his mistake.

The world, including all top Democrats, knew he had manufactured WMDs and used them on his own people.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq!
The New York Times shockingly admitted in an explosive front page report that thousands of WMDs were found in Iraq since the start of the war:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq! - The Political Insider

###

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says

• Story Highlights
• Pentagon: U.S. secretly shipped Iraq's low-grade uranium dating back to Hussein era
  
• Officials: U.S. military spent $70 million for the transport of materials to Canada
  
• "Yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says - CNN.com

###

How long did Sadam Hussein have to move his WMDs? About two years during which uninspected convoys were seen going into Iran and Syria. Did, or did not, Syria use chemical weapons on their people?

None of that means a tinker's dam today. What are we doing today and where do we go from here?

The man was a worthless, evil, dangerous, murderous sonofabitch. Getting rid of him was a good thing. Business school taught me the value of the 70% solution; 70% of a problem can often be accomplished with 10% of resources and and personnel applied. Instead, Bush went for the100% solution. We didn't get there, we most likely will never get there. The lives and resources, especially the lives were not worth the product. You and I look at this from different points of view and probably always will. All I can say of your two posts, we have been involved in is, damn, I am impressed with your ability to pull resources together quickly to support your opinion whether you convince me or not. Nice work.

 

[JoeB131]

At least he did while they were still the biggest part of the Communist-ruled Soyúz Sovétskikh Sotsialistícheskikh Respúblik. Perhaps not so much, now that they are much less our enemy, and more our ally in most things.

Again, it's your new Cult Leader Trump that's on Russia's payroll... they are more our enemy now than they were then.

But nice to see I'm still living in your head, Mormon Bob.

Good Lord, how old are you? They are not our ally and have no intention of being our ally. The basic philosophy of Putin has not changed since his KGB days back in the cold war comrade. They just aren't as out front about about it. More effectively sneaky as they were during the 2016 election. Go get another shot of cheap vodka and put some more fish eggs on your cracker Ivan. I did not actually believe there were Russian trolls on this board. Now not so sure.

Now, now, Mormon Bob isn't a commie... he's a cultist who just drinks the koolaid.

 

[JoeB131]

The world, including all top Democrats, knew he had manufactured WMDs and used them on his own people.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq!
The New York Times shockingly admitted in an explosive front page report that thousands of WMDs were found in Iraq since the start of the war:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

Guy, we didn't go to war over chemical shells someone buried in 1991 because they didn't know how to dispose of them.

We went to war because Saddam had Nukes, and he was going to get us all!!!!

 

[sparky]

Iraq was the biggest bait/switch our Gub'Mit ever pulled

~S~

 

[Markle]

The world, including all top Democrats, knew he had manufactured WMDs and used them on his own people.

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq!
The New York Times shockingly admitted in an explosive front page report that thousands of WMDs were found in Iraq since the start of the war:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

Guy, we didn't go to war over chemical shells someone buried in 1991 because they didn't know how to dispose of them.

We went to war because Saddam had Nukes, and he was going to get us all!!!!

Liar