Official 10% Unemployment Rate is Really Almost 22%

[Cold Fusion38]

How about you answer these two points...................simple concept you know...............

As for you POOL if someone cuts a deep TRENCH from your pool into THEIR backyard they can drain your pool to NOTHING!!! THAT is what the ULTRA WEALTHY are doing by sending OUR JOBS, AMERICAN JOBS overseas. They have ZERO patriotism. They have ZERO respect for their FELLOW AMERICANS. They are laughing their asses all the way to the bank with thier 7 and 8 fugure bonuses.



Quote: Originally Posted by Foxfyre
Quote: Originally Posted by Cold Fusion38
Well Fox either people have money or they DON'T. So you think that the ULTRA WEALTHY need MORE money to stuff into their mattresses rather than more money for the poor. We should be giving a $500 tax CREDIT to the bottom 40% each quarter for 3 years. That's $6,000 over three years for MILLIONS of Americans that will be SPENT BUYING things which will neccesitate MORE production and put people BACK TO WORK! That's money that will INSTANTLY stimulate the economy and will result in local sales tax revenue for states who desperately NEED it. It would be people going out to dinner and tipping thier wait staff. It would be money that is spent OVER and OVER and OVER and it WOULD result in more jobs. You see Fox your problem is you STILL believe the LIE of "trickle down" economics which has ONLY resulted in the top 10% controlling MORE WEALTH than any time since the great deppresion. How do you think it makes sense that having FEWER people controling MORE wealth is better for the economy?
Since I am not a socialist and know socialism to be a failed government system everywhere it has been tried, I don't concern myself whether some people become wealthy or that many, if not most Americans have more than I do. I am grateful to them for their contributions to society that I can't afford to contribute. I am grateful to them for the jobs they have provided me all of my working life which has been since I was 14. I am grateful for the freedom to aspire to be rich.

Now the following principles may be way over the head of some who are educated in the public school system courtesy of a socialism minded government, and nigh near impossible to understand by those educated at the knee of mushy headed liberalism, but let's give it a whirl.

I'm going to see if you are capable of focusing on these principles without swerving off into some kind of liberal la la land:

1. If you dip out of the deep end of the pool and pour it into the shallow end of the pool, you do not change the total amount in the pool and the levels will quickly return to where you started..

2. If those doing the dipping siphon off some of it in the process, there will be less in the pool than before - at both ends.

3. The ONLY way to increase the total amount in the pool is to increase the amount in the shallow and deep ends.



Oh and by the way #3 is TOTALLY WRONG! You can add to the total amount by making the pool larger what has been happening is that the pool has become SMALLER AND DEEPER which is a recipe for DROWNING!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Its probably worse then that. They will not stop till they have transfered all the wealth from the people to the elites, end result debt=slavery. We voted the only way that counts with our feet we found a guy that specializes in getting people out of the states, so we moved the family to margarita island, if your interested his website is escapethestates.com, It is about the cheapest cost of living in the world, gas is 4 cents a gallon, all food is organic by law, no taxes, no radar, and out of the hurricane belt in the southern caribbean.

Just a quick question here........How does an Island country that I assume has to IMPORT its fuel sell it for 4 to 12 CENTS a gallon? Is this supposed to be a JOKE?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I think, CF, that the one thing you have accomplished here is to illustrate how difficult it is for a liberal to focus on a simple concept and form an opinion about it. There are no doubt others who will disagree with me about that of course, but generally those are the ones who also cannot focus on a simple concept and form an opinion about it. Do have a good day.

Well I pointed out that your "rule #3" is ABSOLUTELY FLAWED didn't I. Was that not "on topic" enough for you?

Nope, you just threw in a red herring/non sequitur and declared it flawed. But you have not shown how it is untrue in any way, and anybody using half their brain can see that it is true. You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You will not help the poor by hurting the rich.

If you so loathe and resent or envy the rich so much that you cannot stand for them to prosper, you condemn the poor to continuous poverty.

BS Fox your CLAIM is the only way to increase the volume of the pool is to increase the amount in BOTH ends of the pool which is a LIE you can make it SMALLER and DEEPER and add to the volume and that is EXACTELY what is happening. You can DENY it if you wish but you are LYING and you know it.

You also IGNORED my post about digging a trench to drain your neighbors pool which is EXACTELY what happened to the shallow end of our "pool". It has been SHIPPED OFF TO CHINA by the SAME big businesses and ULTRA WEALTHY who recieved the VAST majority of Reagan and Bush's tax cuts. That is a FACT and you can deny it but once again it will just prove you are a LIAR!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I think, CF, that the one thing you have accomplished here is to illustrate how difficult it is for a liberal to focus on a simple concept and form an opinion about it. There are no doubt others who will disagree with me about that of course, but generally those are the ones who also cannot focus on a simple concept and form an opinion about it. Do have a good day.

Well I pointed out that your "rule #3" is ABSOLUTELY FLAWED didn't I. Was that not "on topic" enough for you?

Nope, you just threw in a red herring/non sequitur and declared it flawed. But you have not shown how it is untrue in any way, and anybody using half their brain can see that it is true. You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You will not help the poor by hurting the rich.

If you so loathe and resent or envy the rich so much that you cannot stand for them to prosper, you condemn the poor to continuous poverty.

You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end.

Now I see the Faux news in you coming out......."You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end." Is NOT what your #3 said.

 

[saveliberty]

The POOR spend EVERYTHING they have because they are.....wait for it........POOR!!! If the POOR have more money they may buy that 32 inch LCD they have been dreaming of, they may thake their wife out for a nice dinner for their aniversary, but they WON'T squirrel it away that's for sure!

And yeah I'm SURE those Douche bag CEOs who ran their cos into the GROUND are living really low with their 7 and 8 figure BONUSES!!! What do those guys do to deserve BONUSES!!!??? The guys who are busting their asses day in and day out are getting PAY CUTS while the people RESPONSIBLE for the problems get RAISES or "Golden Parachutes" I'm sorry but yeah FUCK the rich! The fact that a CEO makes 400X what the average employee makes is fing CRIMINAL!

Your example is laughable. Buy a TV. Sure, that will help the economy as a poor person makes a one-time pruchase of a foreign made product. Injecting money on a single basis does not improve the economy or help the poor become middle class. We are discussing jobs, or the lack thereof. You are talking about wealth redistribution. Pretty typical of a liberal to only see today and not long term. Until you can discuss this in a rational way, you are just going to sound like a socialist loser.

You are a freaking IDIOT! That purchase will allow a salesperson to KEEP his job or multiplied by tens of thousands will require the addition of MORE sales people. Those salespeople will spend THEIR money on various OTHER purchases or services. It is NOT a " single basis" sale it CONTINUES to flow through the comunity particularly adding to sales tax revenue for cash strapped local and state gov'ts. Like I said save you can lick the hand that is STARVING you, you can BEG for table scraps, or you can OPEN YOUR EYES and see how we are repeating the mistakes that brought on the GREAT DEPPRESION!

Most of the sales you walk about are going to be foreign made products purchased at Walmart. Walmart is not going to hire and the profits are going to get shipped to Alabama. Most of the sales jobs are going to be minimum wage.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Your example is laughable. Buy a TV. Sure, that will help the economy as a poor person makes a one-time pruchase of a foreign made product. Injecting money on a single basis does not improve the economy or help the poor become middle class. We are discussing jobs, or the lack thereof. You are talking about wealth redistribution. Pretty typical of a liberal to only see today and not long term. Until you can discuss this in a rational way, you are just going to sound like a socialist loser.

You are a freaking IDIOT! That purchase will allow a salesperson to KEEP his job or multiplied by tens of thousands will require the addition of MORE sales people. Those salespeople will spend THEIR money on various OTHER purchases or services. It is NOT a " single basis" sale it CONTINUES to flow through the comunity particularly adding to sales tax revenue for cash strapped local and state gov'ts. Like I said save you can lick the hand that is STARVING you, you can BEG for table scraps, or you can OPEN YOUR EYES and see how we are repeating the mistakes that brought on the GREAT DEPPRESION!

Most of the sales you walk about are going to be foreign made products purchased at Walmart. Walmart is not going to hire and the profits are going to get shipped to Alabama. Most of the sales jobs are going to be minimum wage.

What podunk town do you live in? Ever hear of Best Buy? They pay well above minimum wage by the way. Oh and I see you just ignored the rest of my post because you can NOT dispute what I said. LOL you really are a loser!

 

[Foxfyre]

Well I pointed out that your "rule #3" is ABSOLUTELY FLAWED didn't I. Was that not "on topic" enough for you?

Nope, you just threw in a red herring/non sequitur and declared it flawed. But you have not shown how it is untrue in any way, and anybody using half their brain can see that it is true. You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You will not help the poor by hurting the rich.

If you so loathe and resent or envy the rich so much that you cannot stand for them to prosper, you condemn the poor to continuous poverty.

BS Fox your CLAIM is the only way to increase the volume of the pool is to increase the amount in BOTH ends of the pool which is a LIE you can make it SMALLER and DEEPER and add to the volume and that is EXACTELY what is happening. You can DENY it if you wish but you are LYING and you know it.

Wow. I really shudder to think what sort of science or math classes you must have had if you think you can increase the volume in a pool by making it smaller or deeper.

You also IGNORED my post about digging a trench to drain your neighbors pool which is EXACTELY what happened to the shallow end of our "pool". It has been SHIPPED OFF TO CHINA by the SAME big businesses and ULTRA WEALTHY who recieved the VAST majority of Reagan and Bush's tax cuts. That is a FACT and you can deny it but once again it will just prove you are a LIAR!

I didn't ignore it. I dismissed it as non sequitur and red herring. The statements I made were stand alone statements. You were challenged to focus and address the principles as written. You failed other than to state #3 was flawed and I was a liar but failed to give anything other than a really REALLY stupid reason for why it was.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Nope, you just threw in a red herring/non sequitur and declared it flawed. But you have not shown how it is untrue in any way, and anybody using half their brain can see that it is true. You cannot raise the shallow end of a pool without also raising the deep end.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You will not help the poor by hurting the rich.

If you so loathe and resent or envy the rich so much that you cannot stand for them to prosper, you condemn the poor to continuous poverty.

BS Fox your CLAIM is the only way to increase the volume of the pool is to increase the amount in BOTH ends of the pool which is a LIE you can make it SMALLER and DEEPER and add to the volume and that is EXACTELY what is happening. You can DENY it if you wish but you are LYING and you know it.

Wow. I really shudder to think what sort of science or math classes you must have had if you think you can increase the volume in a pool by making it smaller or deeper.

You also IGNORED my post about digging a trench to drain your neighbors pool which is EXACTELY what happened to the shallow end of our "pool". It has been SHIPPED OFF TO CHINA by the SAME big businesses and ULTRA WEALTHY who recieved the VAST majority of Reagan and Bush's tax cuts. That is a FACT and you can deny it but once again it will just prove you are a LIAR!

I didn't ignore it. I dismissed it as non sequitur and red herring. The statements I made were stand alone statements. You were challenged to focus and address the principles as written. You failed other than to state #3 was flawed and I was a liar but failed to give anything other than a really REALLY stupid reason for why it was.

Smaller AND deeper you may want to look at my posts a little closer.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Well then Fox why don't YOU tell us WHERE and WHY the jobs went DESPITE massive tax cuts for big business and the ULTRA wealthy under Reagan and Bush.