Of Romanovs, Bolsheviks, and 'Just Rewards'

[PoliticalChic]

1. One of the finest Generals in United States history was George Patton. Patton had an 'interesting' view of America's erstwhile ally, the Soviet Union....

"It is a conflict that Patton believes will be fought soon.The Russians are moving to forcibly spread communism throughout the world, and Patton knows it."They are a scurvy race and simply savages," he writes of the Russians in his journal. "We could beat the hell out of them."
"Patton," By Martin Blumenson, Kevin M. Hymel, p. 84



2. When any speak of 'the Russians,' let's remember that the reference is to post 1917 Russian governance, ....the Bolsheviks, the communists.

"October 1917: The October Bolshevik Revolution
Encouraged by revolutionary leader Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, who had returned to Russia from exile in Germany, in October 1917, the radical Bolshevik workers' committees of Petrograd voted to stage an insurrection led by industrial workers against the forces of the Provisional Government. The Provisional Government surrendered without a fight, leaving the Bolshevik party of the workers and peasants in power. In the weeks that followed, Bolsheviks gradually forced non-Bolsheviks out of government. The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control in Russia and threatened to pull Russian troops from the battlefield.

1917-1933: Interruption of Official U.S.-Russian Relations
Following the Bolshevik Revolution, President Woodrow Wilson instructed U.S. diplomats to withhold official and unofficial recognition of the new Bolshevik Government. U.S. Ambassador David Francis remained in Russia until November 1918, but was never replaced. On September 14, 1919, the U.S. Embassy in Russia closed its doors, though the U.S. Consulate in Vladivostok remained open until May 1922. The United States did not re‑establish diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union until 1933." United States Relations with Russia Establishment of Relations to World War Two



"....The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control...."

Why 'concern'? Because they recognized Bolsheviks were savages of the most inhuman kind.

3. 'Woodrow Wilson's policy of withholding recognition on moral grounds was displaced by a return to traditional international practice of extending de jure recognition to de facto governments. ' "US Presidents and Foreign Policy"
edited by Carl Cavanagh Hodge, Cathal J. Nolan, p. 243


It remains a fact, though, that not Wilson, nor Harding, Coolidge, nor Hoover would advance recognition to the Bolshevik government.



But morality meant nothing to the 32nd President....

4. On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov. Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian



What was the message that Roosevelt was sending to the American people?
Giving the Bolsheviks their 'just reward'????

 

[Pete7469]

The disciples of marx have been infiltrating governments and their agencies since well before the bolsheviks finally conquered a state for them. They were responsible for the "anachist" movement in the US which created riots and actual wars in the steel and coal industries, as well as having assasinated President McKinnley. They had so fully infused theselves into the democrook party that FDR went right along and gave Stalin everything he asked for.

They've infected out schools, our entertainment, our industry and our politics. They must be defeated in the arena of ideas, and they can be considering how many millions of people they've had to slaughter to gain control of countries and maintain it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The disciples of marx have been infiltrating governments and their agencies since well before the bolsheviks finally conquered a state for them. They were responsible for the "anachist" movement in the US which created riots and actual wars in the steel and coal industries, as well as having assasinated President McKinnley. They had so fully infused theselves into the democrook party that FDR went right along and gave Stalin everything he asked for.

They've infected out schools, our entertainment, our industry and our politics. They must be defeated in the arena of ideas, and they can be considering how many millions of people they've had to slaughter to gain control of countries and maintain it.

" They must be defeated in the arena of ideas,..."

If only.

I don't share your optimism.
Rather, we are living in the afterglow of a once great nation....destroyed by lawless Liberalism/Marxism.

 

[gipper]

It is ironic that some aspects of Marxism are more evident today in the USA, than in the former USSR.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is ironic that some aspects of Marxism are more evident today in the USA, than in the former USSR.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....


Isn't it amazing how many Democrat voters don't realize....or deny.....their relationship with Stalin's doctrines?

 

[Moonglow]

1. One of the finest Generals in United States history was George Patton. Patton had an 'interesting' view of America's erstwhile ally, the Soviet Union....

"It is a conflict that Patton believes will be fought soon.The Russians are moving to forcibly spread communism throughout the world, and Patton knows it."They are a scurvy race and simply savages," he writes of the Russians in his journal. "We could beat the hell out of them."
"Patton," By Martin Blumenson, Kevin M. Hymel, p. 84



2. When any speak of 'the Russians,' let's remember that the reference is to post 1917 Russian governance, ....the Bolsheviks, the communists.

"October 1917: The October Bolshevik Revolution
Encouraged by revolutionary leader Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, who had returned to Russia from exile in Germany, in October 1917, the radical Bolshevik workers' committees of Petrograd voted to stage an insurrection led by industrial workers against the forces of the Provisional Government. The Provisional Government surrendered without a fight, leaving the Bolshevik party of the workers and peasants in power. In the weeks that followed, Bolsheviks gradually forced non-Bolsheviks out of government. The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control in Russia and threatened to pull Russian troops from the battlefield.

1917-1933: Interruption of Official U.S.-Russian Relations
Following the Bolshevik Revolution, President Woodrow Wilson instructed U.S. diplomats to withhold official and unofficial recognition of the new Bolshevik Government. U.S. Ambassador David Francis remained in Russia until November 1918, but was never replaced. On September 14, 1919, the U.S. Embassy in Russia closed its doors, though the U.S. Consulate in Vladivostok remained open until May 1922. The United States did not re‑establish diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union until 1933." United States Relations with Russia Establishment of Relations to World War Two



"....The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control...."

Why 'concern'? Because they recognized Bolsheviks were savages of the most inhuman kind.

3. 'Woodrow Wilson's policy of withholding recognition on moral grounds was displaced by a return to traditional international practice of extending de jure recognition to de facto governments. ' "US Presidents and Foreign Policy"
edited by Carl Cavanagh Hodge, Cathal J. Nolan, p. 243


It remains a fact, though, that not Wilson, nor Harding, Coolidge, nor Hoover would advance recognition to the Bolshevik government.



But morality meant nothing to the 32nd President....

4. On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov. Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian



What was the message that Roosevelt was sending to the American people?
Giving the Bolsheviks their 'just reward'????

He was doing what American businessmen wanted...Trade with Russia...

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. One of the finest Generals in United States history was George Patton. Patton had an 'interesting' view of America's erstwhile ally, the Soviet Union....

"It is a conflict that Patton believes will be fought soon.The Russians are moving to forcibly spread communism throughout the world, and Patton knows it."They are a scurvy race and simply savages," he writes of the Russians in his journal. "We could beat the hell out of them."
"Patton," By Martin Blumenson, Kevin M. Hymel, p. 84



2. When any speak of 'the Russians,' let's remember that the reference is to post 1917 Russian governance, ....the Bolsheviks, the communists.

"October 1917: The October Bolshevik Revolution
Encouraged by revolutionary leader Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, who had returned to Russia from exile in Germany, in October 1917, the radical Bolshevik workers' committees of Petrograd voted to stage an insurrection led by industrial workers against the forces of the Provisional Government. The Provisional Government surrendered without a fight, leaving the Bolshevik party of the workers and peasants in power. In the weeks that followed, Bolsheviks gradually forced non-Bolsheviks out of government. The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control in Russia and threatened to pull Russian troops from the battlefield.

1917-1933: Interruption of Official U.S.-Russian Relations
Following the Bolshevik Revolution, President Woodrow Wilson instructed U.S. diplomats to withhold official and unofficial recognition of the new Bolshevik Government. U.S. Ambassador David Francis remained in Russia until November 1918, but was never replaced. On September 14, 1919, the U.S. Embassy in Russia closed its doors, though the U.S. Consulate in Vladivostok remained open until May 1922. The United States did not re‑establish diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union until 1933." United States Relations with Russia Establishment of Relations to World War Two



"....The United States and the Allies watched with concern as radical socialists seized control...."

Why 'concern'? Because they recognized Bolsheviks were savages of the most inhuman kind.

3. 'Woodrow Wilson's policy of withholding recognition on moral grounds was displaced by a return to traditional international practice of extending de jure recognition to de facto governments. ' "US Presidents and Foreign Policy"
edited by Carl Cavanagh Hodge, Cathal J. Nolan, p. 243


It remains a fact, though, that not Wilson, nor Harding, Coolidge, nor Hoover would advance recognition to the Bolshevik government.



But morality meant nothing to the 32nd President....

4. On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov. Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian



What was the message that Roosevelt was sending to the American people?
Giving the Bolsheviks their 'just reward'????

He was doing what American businessmen wanted...Trade with Russia...

I was waiting for some dope to use that ridiculous excuse.


He despised businessmen.


His road to the presidency was over their corpses.

He didn't alter his attacks on businessmen until the reality of the coming war impinged on his class warfare.


From the Prologue of “FDR Goes To War: How Expanded Executive Power, Spiraling National Debt, And Restricted Civil Liberties Shaped Wartime America” by Burton W. Folsom Jr. and Anita Folsom…

1. “Earlier, during national elections, the president could use class warfare and federal subsidies to win votes. …But when wars came, they must be won. Few remembered the Panic of 1873- or even who was president then- but everyone remembered the Mexican War, the Spanish-American War, and, of course, the Civil War. U.S. presidents could fail when they worked to end depressions, as FDR had shown, and still survive politically- if they had a viable scapegoat….Lincoln was great because Lincoln was a successful war president. His high taxes and abuse of civil liberties were largely forgotten. If the forthcoming war were lost, FDR could, of course, attack business again for not making enough weapons. But historians would still hold Roosevelt accountable for losing any war on his watch!”

2. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

3. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”


4. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26 1940



What's your next excuse to save Roosevelt from the contumely he...and you....so richly deserve?

Try again...and I'll shred it again.

 

[Penelope]

It is ironic that some aspects of Marxism are more evident today in the USA, than in the former USSR.

that is because we have so many Ashkenazi's in our government, ACLU, ADA, Supreme Court and in think tanks and have since the 1900's. Ashkenazis started socialism and communism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is ironic that some aspects of Marxism are more evident today in the USA, than in the former USSR.

that is because we have so many Ashkenazi's in our government, ACLU, ADA, Supreme Court and in think tanks and have since the 1900's. Ashkenazis started socialism and communism.

1. Many Jews fled Nazi Germany to the USSR....where Stalin rounded them up, and delivered them to the Gestapo as a gesture of friendship.

2. "The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov,Stalinplanned to useNazi Germanyas a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support toAdolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing theRed Armyto “liberate” the whole ofEuropefrom Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. While prior Presidents declined to recognize the Bolshevik government, due to several factors.....including morality, ...Franklin Roosevelt felt no such compunction.


What were the 'moral' difficulties that stood in the way for previous administrations? Murder, slaughter, genocide. Men, women, ......children.

Roosevelt, it seems, was willing to accept Leon Trotsky's assessment: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." After all, that was the 'principle' that guided Trotsky, Lenin, and Roosevelt's good friend, Joseph Stalin.


"The present moment favors us....With the help of all those starving people who are starting to eat each other, who are dying by the millions, and whose bodies litter the roadside all over the country, it is now and only now, that we can-and therefore must- confiscate all church property with all the ruthless energy we can muster....Our only hope is the despair engendered in the masses by the famine, which will cause them to look at us in a favorable light or at the very least, with indifference." Lenin, March 19, 1922

"Church records show that 2,691 priests, 1,962 monks, and 3,447 nuns were killed that year." Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread," p.29



"For humankind at large Lenin had nothing but scorn: ...individual human beings held for Lenin almost no interest..." Richard Pipes, "The Unknown Lenin," p. 10


Roosevelt was 35 when the bloodbath known as the Russian Revolution took place. He was active in politics...and a student of geopolitical events. Think he knew the kind of regime he was getting into bed with?



Is there a moral component in deciding on foreign policy? Should governments take pride in rectitude?

Wilson, Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover thought so.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. As a result of Franklin Roosevelt's tireless efforts to make a home for communism in America, note the following and compare it to the Progressive/Liberal/Democrat view of religion in secular America:


"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by thedemocratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A millionphysicalsins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes." Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

This is the basis, the explanation, for the anti-Religion view you've been taught in government schools, and by the secular media.




It comes directly from communist, Marxist, Soviet ideology.

"This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor." The Schwarz Report Essays



Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’

And so it was.

 

[gipper]

5. While prior Presidents declined to recognize the Bolshevik government, due to several factors.....including morality, ...Franklin Roosevelt felt no such compunction.


What were the 'moral' difficulties that stood in the way for previous administrations? Murder, slaughter, genocide. Men, women, ......children.

Roosevelt, it seems, was willing to accept Leon Trotsky's assessment: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." After all, that was the 'principle' that guided Trotsky, Lenin, and Roosevelt's good friend, Joseph Stalin.


"The present moment favors us....With the help of all those starving people who are starting to eat each other, who are dying by the millions, and whose bodies litter the roadside all over the country, it is now and only now, that we can-and therefore must- confiscate all church property with all the ruthless energy we can muster....Our only hope is the despair engendered in the masses by the famine, which will cause them to look at us in a favorable light or at the very least, with indifference." Lenin, March 19, 1922

"Church records show that 2,691 priests, 1,962 monks, and 3,447 nuns were killed that year." Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread," p.29



"For humankind at large Lenin had nothing but scorn: ...individual human beings held for Lenin almost no interest..." Richard Pipes, "The Unknown Lenin," p. 10


Roosevelt was 35 when the bloodbath known as the Russian Revolution took place. He was active in politics...and a student of geopolitical events. Think he knew the kind of regime he was getting into bed with?



Is there a moral component in deciding on foreign policy? Should governments take pride in rectitude?

Wilson, Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover thought so.

The American government sent many to their deaths in Stalin's gulag after the war.

My father worked closely with a German officer, who was a prisoner. He told my father he feared being sent to the Russian occupied German zone, after the war ended. One day he was gone and my father was told he was sent home, which meant certain death.

My father in-law was in a DP camp in western Germany at wars end. He recalls Eleanor Roosevelt coming to the camp and speaking to the people there, who were almost entirely comprised of Baltics, Pols, and other eastern Euros. She told them not to fear Stalin and it was safe to go home. She was roundly booed. My father in-law believed few in the camp took her advice, knowing full well it would mean death.

 

[jwoodie]

Morality is in the eye of the beholder. Is it a good thing for Obama to be imposing his "morality" on U.S. policy?

 

[regent]

Who should decide what label to put on a nation's government and economic system? Should it be the nation itself, that decides, or others, if others who? For example who has the authority to say America is a capitalist nation and not a communist nation?

 

[gipper]

Morality is in the eye of the beholder. Is it a good thing for Obama to be imposing his "morality" on U.S. policy?

He certainly thinks so.

After all, he is the smartest man in the world (in his mind).

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who should decide what label to put on a nation's government and economic system? Should it be the nation itself, that decides, or others, if others who? For example who has the authority to say America is a capitalist nation and not a communist nation?

What are you....a moron????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who governed Russia before the Bolsheviks?


7. The Romanov dynasty ruled Russia from the early 1600s, until the October revolution, 1917, whereupon Nicholas II abdicated.

" On the night of July 17, 1918, Bolshevik authorities acting on Yakov Sverdlov's orders in Moscow and led locally by Filip Goloschekin and Yakov Yurovsky, shot Nicholas II, his immediate family, and four servants in the Ipatiev House's cellar.

The family was told that they were to be photographed to prove to the people that they were still alive. The family members were arranged appropriately and left alone for several minutes, the gunmen then walked in and started shooting. " House of Romanov - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



Were they any better than the Bolsheviks?

8. Under Nicholas II's reign, there was "the introduction of land reform.He felt that this could make the better-off peasants loyal supporters of the regime.... reforms in 1906 that allowed peasants to...receive their share of land in private property. This would allow them to become permanent owners of their own farms. These reforms had some success and by 1915 about half of the peasants in European Russia owned their farms....He also brought in measures to modernize local government, to improve the courts and the police, to protect civil liberties, the freedom of the press and end discrimination against Jews." Russia 1870 -1917


Before the Russian Revolution, the number of executions by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.
At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month.
Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



So....were the Romanovs any better than the Bolsheviks?

Clearly so.

Roosevelt seems to have missed the memo.

 

[Dot Com]

Thanks for reminding me of this nation's great 4-term Democratic President PoliSpice

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. Nicholas' abdication on the ides of March, 1917, was not enough for the communists. He had to be slaughtered.....but not just Nicholas.

"Nicholas II was secretly shot in a provincial basement along with his immediate family and four members of his staff. It was a small room and it contained eleven victims and eleven killers. They were supposed to concentrate on one victim each, but the killers were soon firing at random. Those still alive...were disposed of by bayonet or further shots to the head. The bodies were transported by truck to a disused goldmine; sulfuric acid was poured on their faces...to make the Romanovs harder to identify."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread," p. 53



Five were children. The daughters had no succession rights. They killed the family dog as well.

Why?
March 15, 1917, Nicholas II abdicated.
The murders took place on July 17, 1918.

Pravda reported tersely the next day, “Nicholas Romanov has been executed. His family has been evacuated to a safe location.”

The masses of workers and soldiers were not told that the whole family had been murdered....only Nicholas. The rest, they were told, were 'in a place of security.' Nor were they told that the Cheka, the secret police, had murdered, and tortured, almost all of the rest of Russian aristocracy.
Ibid.




So...when General Patton said "They are a scurvy race and simply savages,".....one can understand it.




Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert of the time said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."



Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there wasfreedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step ina massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137


Roosevelt must have known from the start that the Bolsheviks were savages....
....yet he rewarded them at every turn, and in every way he could...


..one simply shakes their head.

 

[regent]

Who should decide what label to put on a nation's government and economic system? Should it be the nation itself, that decides, or others, if others who? For example who has the authority to say America is a capitalist nation and not a communist nation?

What are you....a moron????

If you are unable to answer the post why not just ignore it instead of calling the poster names? So I'll ask something that you might be able to answer: if the USSR did not practice Marx what economic systems did the USSR practice?